I to have a dilemma. As of now i have the js8500, hung and active, its worlds better than any ips panel (LG). If youre going to get a LG, get an OLED. Unfortunately i dont have $3000-$5000 to spend on a TV. Although it has the best colors and blacks, it suffers from burn-in (leaving images on screen from bright scenes to dark and vice versa) and input lag 50ms or more. Input lag should be in the 30's or lower. its important for gamers and sports fans or anything moving fast on the screen. BUT IF I could afford it, I would definitely get one.
So, like i said i have the 55" js8500 and absolutely love it. As it does have a true samsung panel TH01 (true Samsung Panel), im willing to downgrade to the MD01 (Sharp Panel) 60" js8000 and heres why. Its not the same panel BUT has all the same features as the js8500 minus the 3D and the one connect mini box. Obviously its bigger as well.
Its still a VA panel, not quite as good as the js8500...? Im not so sure. Ive seen the complete black/grey transitions on both TVs and they both look the same to me. I just viewed the 60" js8000 in store today and told the rep to change the channels/sources etc (by the way he was a sony rep and was trying to get me to buy a sony, lol) His personal opinion was for me to keep the js8500. I could care less for the 3D option, its not that great. The js8000 is bigger (I know bigger isnt always better, but for the price youre not gonna find a better deal, remember the js8000 has 120hz native refresh, i'll get to that in a minute. The biggest part of this IS the samsung panel TH01 as well as other true samsung panels, has that stupid one connect box mini. If it breaks OUT of warranty, it cost $100 to replace. Thats a little steep if you ask me. And a replacement cable (6'7") is $40. (check it out at samsungparts.com) type in "one connect mini" it will show several different models, but theyre all about $100 with shipping. And lets just say its been 2 years after the fact and it breaks, will it cost $400 then like the upgraded one for the F9000 2013 model? Will they have an upgraded version? Which I read on some review they will upgrade one connect boxes, just not the minis, seriously wtf? Im really leaning towards the js8000 to stay away from this stupid box.
So here's my options, mind you most, if not all 55" tvs do NOT have 120hz refresh rate (unless 3D) which i already have one hanging on my wall (with a stupid connect mini box)
LG 60UF7300 120hz but its an IPS panel which = light bleed/clouds on black scenes. Trust me, you dont want an IPS panel. $899 BF sale price.
LG 60UF7700 120hz / IPS panel $1399 BF sale price
Samsung UN60JS7000FXZA 60hz $1299 BF sale price
Samsung UN60JU6500FXZA 60hz $1199 BF sale price
Samsung UN60JS8000FXZA 120hz $1399 BF sale price (unfortunately i have no info on input lag except one source from nvidia geforce forum stating they tested it with "Leo Bodnar" test, on the 55" js8000 with a result of 22ms in game mode) Im not sure what kind of panel the 55" js8000 has. And there is a 55" version but if you google it, nothing will come up. http www dot flatpanelshd dot com/article.php?subaction=showfull&id=1428310162 just scroll down, they say they only sell it in Europe. Im assuming the 55" panel IS a samsung.
Ive heard too many complaints about Sonys tvs just dying, not to mention light bleed as well. Plus they dont make a 60". which is the biggest i can fit in my room. So if i were to get a 55", I might as well keep the js8500.
Ive heard horror stories about Vizio and Sharp so no go there and yes I know I stated the MD01 is MADE by Sharp, but it's controlled by Samsung hardware and software. Plus Samsung and Sony both own part of Sharp anyways.
Im really frustrated at the moment, had they had this TV last week, i totally would have bought it. So its either I bring the js8500 back today or tomorrow to get the credit towards the js8000 while its still on sale and wait until Dec. 3rd (website says Dec. 3rd for my area) (rep said it was already suppose to be at my store location, but should be there by this Friday) to get it or just stick with the js8500. I do have until Jan. 15th to return it. I may just wait to see what the sales are going to be like for the during/after Christmas sale. I'll probably bring it back tomorrow for the js8000, i really dont want this box, just one more fail point in the system.
Im not discrediting the 55" js8500 in any other way EXCEPT the box, its a really great TV with a great panel for a great Black Friday price $1499 which = $1605 including tax. So if your size requirements cant surpass 55" I highly recommend this TV and you dont mind the box possibly breaking and have to pay $$$ to replace it. Heck I dont know, maybe it will never break, maybe the reviews I read on the box breaking after just 3 weeks - 3 months are just flukes, maybe they just got a bad batch?
Oh right, on the topic, get the 60" js8000, its kind of a no brainer, both the 6500 and 7000 are only 60hz. Remember, Samsung doesnt make 60" panels and you can correct me if Im wrong on that, I do believe true samsung panels come with that stupid one connect box, so if it doesnt have the box, its not a Samsung panel. They have panel codes on the box and back of the TV as well that you can look up to see if Samsung makes it or not. Sorry about calling the box stupid, but i really think its a design flaw, as stated above, one more fail point. Im not sure this is in the right thread, i started this 3 days ago and just now getting around to posting it. Im probably repeating some info on here, the only FALD or HDR samsung has is the js9500. Both js8000 and 8500 have been stated as limited HDR. I personally didnt see anything special with HDR, I downloaded a fox special HDR demo (fire place) and ran it via the USB 3.0. I suggest anyone wanting to watch 4k to pick up one or two, theres PNY's for sale on amazon/newegg 128gb for $25. Anyways, there is some 4k content downloadable, its not movies or tv shows, just pretty much store demos from the manufacturer. I believe there is ONE movie in 4k that is downloadable, BUT its 160gb. Plus it has no point or plot or characters, just some guy videoing different landscapes. the demos are like 1gb a piece and more or less 2 minutes long. If anything other than just cool to look at and admire what the tv is capable of, you could possibly use it as a tool to dial in any calibrations and or watch for "flashlighting" "clouding" in darker scenes. I think mine is as close to OLED as a non OLED panel is going to get. I did notice very faintly in the lower left corner some flashlighting but compared to the LG IPS panel, its worlds away from that. Its only during when the tv itself transitions from like HDMI1 to USB and its only for like a half second and you really have to look for it to see it and the only reason i see it is because im looking for it.
As of now, Im keeping the js8500, even with 5" less screen and the OCM box, i cant justify the $100 difference between these two tvs and even though i really wanted 60", its really pushing the space limit. Like I had to cover 2 light switches, which really didnt matter because one controls the ceiling fan which has a remote and the other one controls a socket which also has a switch, so they both stay on. Although now the amoire is so close to the door it almost feels like a miniature hallway into my bedroom. Besides, and unless the best buy website is wrong, you can only have the js8000 delivered, no store pick up in my area, Tampa Fl. I did notice when my wife and I went back, they were playing the same content on the js8000 and js9000 (78"). Now it could be because of the Sharp (MD01) panel or it could have been that the js8000 wasnt calibrated, but the 9000 was slightly noticeably more vibrant in color, they were both about the same brightness, id say the 9000 was a hair brighter, but thats not what i noticed, i noticed the color difference. Now it wasnt super duper different, but I could tell the 8000 was slightly duller in color. Maybe it just needed to be calibrated? Maybe it was? I dont know, I would assume someone would calibrate it to show it off, to sell it. Maybe they dont, i really dont know. And from what ive read, the 8500 has a 600nit luminescence while i think the 9500 has 1000nit. So im not sure what the 8000 has? And as far as that goes, i dont know what the input lag is either and its hard to use "rtings dot com" tests because i dont think theyre testing each size? Being the difference of a samsung panel and a sharp panel... As of 11/28/2015, 288 reviews on BBs site and only 7 duds from the 8500. Not enough reviews on the 8000, but so far nothing super bad. Several people did bring it back and went ahead and got the 55" 8500 for $100 more, soooo i dont know if i would have done the same?
The bottom line is IF they had the 8000 when i went there, (and they will never have it at the store in my area supposedly) I would have bought it without any information and just on physical aspects like, no box, size and 120hz native. BUT it is entirely possible they would have tried to upsell me the 8500 for only $100 more? Im happy with my 8500 and I hope everything worked out for everyone else on here as well. What Im really happy about is I have until Jan 15th to play around with this thing because I have been having some minor hiccups with it. Like it set the backlight back to 20 by itself when changing from USB back to HDMI1, but all other settings where what i put them at...? Curious. As well as i started netflix and it kinda stuttered after starting the show and then shut off and went back to cable. I started it again and its fine. I left the USB stick in it overnight and when i turned it on today, it didnt have it in the source options, i physically had to remove it and plug it back in. It also flipped out after I had watched some DL 4k on the USB and went back to cable, my wife came home and i wanted to show her the 4k, so i went back to USB and it stuttered real bad at the start of one of the demos and then shut down to go back to cable. I tried again and it worked fine. So Im assuming/hoping these are software related issues.
Off topic/same category question: Ive read you can gently massage the panel with a dry cloth in areas that are affected by light bleed/clouding and that it can sometimes remedy the problem...? Is this ill advised? I dont want to mess up my screen.