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Vizio Reference Series at CEDIA 2015

The Vizio Reference Series made its CEDIA debut with some cool demos, including a peek behind the screen to see how FALD (full array local dimming) works compared with edgelighting.

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Thankyou Scott. good video
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Very good video. But do you by chance have a longer video showing the vizio hdr demo?

Also, how does the home versions of Dolby hdr compare to cinema dolby that you have seen? Can you tell the difference between dolby and hdr10 demos you've seen?
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Nice video Scott. I know you have not seen neither the Vizio R or LG 65EF9500 in ideal conditions, but gun to your head, which do you choose? The Vizio R showing native Dolby Vision content or the OLED showing 4K HDR10? Myself, I will wait for the true HDR OLEDs that hit 800 nits next year and that will possibly do DV as well.
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Very nice work on the video but I wanted to see more .
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Myself, I will wait for the true HDR OLEDs that hit 800 nits next year
You really think there will be an 800 nit OLED available in the next year?
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You really think there will be an 800 nit OLED available in the next year?
No kidding.

Current oleds are 400 nits with panel defects.

I think LG should be worried about fixing oled panel problems 1st, I highly doubt they do that AND double the nits.

Considering that burn in/decreased panel life is just a natural side effect of brightness on oleds, it would take a revolutionary new panel to go 800 nits to be consumer friendly and not worry about panel life.
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The Vizio Reference Series made its CEDIA debut with some cool demos, including a peek behind the screen to see how FALD (full array local dimming) works compared with edgelighting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJsR4l-LP20
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You really think there will be an 800 nit OLED available in the next year?
If there is, it probably won't be from the current "leader."
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Very good video. But do you by chance have a longer video showing the vizio hdr demo?

Also, how does the home versions of Dolby hdr compare to cinema dolby that you have seen? Can you tell the difference between dolby and hdr10 demos you've seen?
I have video from the New York event a couple weeks ago that I can post when I get home.
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I have video from the New York event a couple weeks ago that I can post when I get home.
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Nice video Scott. I know you have not seen neither the Vizio R or LG 65EF9500 in ideal conditions, but gun to your head, which do you choose? The Vizio R showing native Dolby Vision content or the OLED showing 4K HDR10? Myself, I will wait for the true HDR OLEDs that hit 800 nits next year and that will possibly do DV as well.
There has been a couple rumors floating around about this. David over by cnet had a post about this but I can't find it right now
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You really think there will be an 800 nit OLED available in the next year?
The EF9500 review over at flatpanels said the current one are just like the EG9600 that can only hit 400 nits, but the have the ability to process HDR10 since they will be upgraded to HDMI 2.0a. They said LG showed true HDR OLEDs that hit 800 nits behind closed doors at last CES. So if they can really do that without the hit to panel life and danger of burn in, and they get Dolby Vision capability, then it will be tough to beat its performance.
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I think LG should be worried about fixing oled panel problems 1st, I highly doubt they do that AND double the nits.
Which is why they'll do the latter and not worry about the former.
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Well we need one....
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The EF9500 review over at flatpanels said the current one are just like the EG9600 that can only hit 400 nits, but the have the ability to process HDR10 since they will be upgraded to HDMI 2.0a. They said LG showed true HDR OLEDs that hit 800 nits behind closed doors at last CES. So if they can really do that without the hit to panel life and danger of burn in, and they get Dolby Vision capability, then it will be tough to beat its performance.

But who's to say if they have?

My guess is, that 800nit OLED was only a demo and could not be sold as a retail version

The wikileaks insder stuff a few weeks ago revealed that they already have 1000 nit oleds behind closed doors, but they "only last a couple weeks". so an 800 nit oled may last a couple months at best. which means as soon as CES was over, that demo model was probably nearing the end of its shelf life anyways, as it was only for show.


It is probably similar to the Vizio 4000 nit HDR demo tv they had a few years back. As Scott Wilkinson has pointed out a few times on AVS, that tv is nowhere close to being a retail version. It uses a special power supply that currently the average house couldnt even power with a normal socket. Its a cool demo, but just not realistic any time soon.
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It is probably similar to the Vizio 4000 nit HDR demo tv they had a few years back. As Scott Wilkinson has pointed out a few times on AVS, that tv is nowhere close to being a retail version. It uses a special power supply that currently the average house couldnt even power with a normal socket. Its a cool demo, but just not realistic any time soon.
Actually, that was (and is) a Dolby Pulsar monitor…liquid cooled and a serious power hog. Here at CEDIA, SIM2 was showing its version of that type of monitor, which has been around for several years as well. SIM2 claimed it had increased the peak brightness to 6000 nits!
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Great, now there is some concrete evidence of the FABU/amazing/incredible Vizio R-Series which was initially showcased almost 2 years but the question persists in my mind : how many people are going to pay $6k for a 65" UHDTV from Vizio (let alone $130K for a 120" panel) sold by "select" dealers and needing specific ordering contacts and delivery arrangements when comparable sets by Samsung and Sony are now being sold for considerably less ?

Yeah, i realize the promise of those 384 dimming zones but are they worth so much more than sets by Sony/Samsung that have less than 200 dimming zones and yet perform admirably according to test reports ?
In my book, it is stupid enough to release a "line" offering only one size (the 120" set being essentially a proof-of-concept item designed exclusively for the ubber-rich) but asking $6K msrp for a 65" set, considered "stratospheric" in today's UHDTV market, is it even more "stupider".

Personally, i think the only way for Vizio to "calm the publicity waters", so to speak, would be for the company to release immediately its plans for a 2016 P-Series offering most of the capabilities of the R-Series at a lower cost and in several different sizes, 55", 60", 65", 70", 75", 80"...

Meanwhile, watch out Vizio, here comes HiSense, TCL, Amtran, etc. The Chinese are knocking at your front door !
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Actually, that was (and is) a Dolby Pulsar monitor…liquid cooled and a serious power hog. Here at CEDIA, SIM2 was showing its version of that type of monitor, which has been around for several years as well. SIM2 claimed it had increased the peak brightness to 6000 nits!
Does that 6000 nit TV require sunblock?
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HiSense currently has a 65 inch Fald tv with 240 zones on sale at Amazon.com right now. I need to see this tv in person. It does 100% of DCI color space.. But it's a HiSense soooooo......
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HiSense currently has a 65 inch Fald tv with 240 zones on sale at Amazon.com right now. I need to see this tv in person. It does 100% of DCI color space.. But it's a HiSense soooooo......
Worth a 30 day test don't you think
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HiSense currently has a 65 inch Fald tv with 240 zones on sale at Amazon.com right now. I need to see this tv in person. It does 100% of DCI color space.. But it's a HiSense soooooo......
I agree see it in person, but even they have increased when it comes to quality in a TV set.
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