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I'm waiting for 8k, or whatever is next. But then 16k ultra super duper resolution will just be on the horizon with blacks so deep you won't be able to see the TV. That may be worth waiting for for my most critical viewing.
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My bro-in-law has about $700 budgeted for a TV. I advocate buying the best quality vs size. He does need at least a 50".
I haven't followed TV's much over the last couple of years, I do have a Samsung plasma (7000 series) I researched a ton before I bought it, so he asked me to research a tv for him.
Any ideas on (better) 1080 vs (entry level) 4k for the $700 range?
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55" is kind of "small". What's your sitting distance? If you're sitting over 10 feet away, you'll be hard pressed to see the difference between 1080p and 4k. I'd say that 65" is the minimum I would consider for a 4k set. At reasonable sitting distances, you simply can't tell the difference on 55" or smaller sets.

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I would increase the budget to $900 and order the Hisense 55H9B2 directly from Amazon : UHDTV, FALD with 85 dimming zones + Quantum-Dot technology, HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2 inputs, highly rated video processor, etc.
My impression is that the price/performance/features ratio of this new 2015 Hisense set and its 65" brethren is currently unbeatable, even by Vizio standards.

Upon delivery of set i would test it extensively using blu ray calibration disc and if unsatisfied in any way simply send it back to Amazon for full refund.

Not sure if the 55" model comes with the same 4 year extended warranty offered for the 65" model.
Hisense is a master at specs, but doesn't delivery on actual picture quality. I would AVOID all Hisense sets.

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It is $549.99 at Costco. The 55JS700D is $1279.99 but was $979.99 on black Friday. My Panasonic plasma is on the fritz and not sure I want to spend twice the money for 4k. This TV is used mostly for Direct TV and Netflix.
I would avoid any TV where the panel is only 60Hz, terrible movie experience with the conversion from 24fps to 60fps. If the TV isn't 120 Hz (ACTUAL), avoid it at all costs. Panning will make you sick.

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55" is kind of "small". What's your sitting distance? If you're sitting over 10 feet away, you'll be hard pressed to see the difference between 1080p and 4k. I'd say that 65" is the minimum I would consider for a 4k set. At reasonable sitting distances, you simply can't tell the difference on 55" or smaller sets.

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If you sit 5-8' away from a 55" you should be able to tell the difference. It's seating distance and not the size of the screen itself. Reasonable seating distance depends on the room layout too.
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55" is kind of "small". What's your sitting distance? If you're sitting over 10 feet away, you'll be hard pressed to see the difference between 1080p and 4k. I'd say that 65" is the minimum I would consider for a 4k set. At reasonable sitting distances, you simply can't tell the difference on 55" or smaller sets.

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I think 60 inches from about 10 feet would be decent for 4K. I have a small apartment so 55 inches is perfect for me at 1080P. If I upgrade to a 4K tv next year though I may go for 60. I just worry about having to return it because 55 is the biggest I can fit in my car.
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I would avoid any TV where the panel is only 60Hz, terrible movie experience with the conversion from 24fps to 60fps. If the TV isn't 120 Hz (ACTUAL), avoid it at all costs. Panning will make you sick.

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According to RTings the J6200 is a 120Hz.

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Guy's don't make this guy waste his money on a low budget 4k ,what you get for a $700 55" 4k?
well poor up-scaling ,poor image processing ,poor hardware to run the tv apps ,poor motion ect ect.


Get a 1080p you will not have to pay extra to watch a handful of 4k content in a poor quality 4k display.


I apologize for been honest.

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why would someone who is looking for a big tv and fancy specs be happy with 700 dollars? you gotta at least double that to see good results. for 700 id go with a vizio tho. dont expect miracles with that.
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Yep 4K is not yet a good format for many reasons:
-BR are at max of 1080p
-HD TV channels are at 720p
-Video Games...well unless you have a sli GTX 980 you will never get newest games to run at 60fps, and even with this sli some games will still be slow at 4K (Assassin Creed Syndicate). Better use the nvidia DSR thingy at 1440p with everything on Ultra on a good 1080p TV.
So if I were you, it's better to get a solid picture quality 1080p TV like a Sony and wait 2 years so that Oled 4K and SUHD TVs are at an acceptable price range, like said already you will find 700ich $ 4K TVs but poor picture quality like for example the LG UF6** series that are marketed as 4k TVs and are not real 4k because of missing subpixels...
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Guy's don't make this guy waste his money on a low budget 4k ,what you get for a $700 55" 4k?
well poor up-scaling ,poor image processing ,poor hardware to run the tv apps ,poor motion ect ect.


Get a 1080p you will not have to pay extra to watch a handful of 4k content in a poor quality 4k display.


I apologize for been honest.

I didn't see that being said anywhere.

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Depending on the seating distance, I would just stick with 1080p. If someone is going to be sitting 12 feet from a 50-60" TV, both 1080p and 4k won't look all that much different.
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I just bought samsumg un60j6300 for 849.00 sale price minus 20% more for apple pay/discover deal on cyber monday....1080p tv....it has micro dimming and the j6200 does not..nice uniform black screen...no flashlight...clouding...bleed....120hz panel....and the auto motion has the clear setting....which i use all the time. ...very mild soap opera look and it gets rid of any judder..ju6500 doesnt have clear setting..it plays 24fps blurays too judder free......the off axis viewing isnt good tho...but dead on its looks great....i played some youtube 4k demos on both the j6300 and the un6500....i really cudnt tell a difference between the 2 sets....even from 2 feet away....the j6300 downsdaled the 4k to look just like the ju6500 4k set...i was very surprised........football on the j6300 is awesome....no blur....great natural color.

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I didn't see that being said anywhere.

Read the whole thread again....Also I did my comment in case someone comes with a budget 4k.

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Read the whole thread again....

I did and all I see is people telling the OP what his budget gets him, nobody saying "4k or bust" like you seem to believe.

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I did and all I see is people telling the OP what his budget gets him, nobody saying "4k or bust" like you seem to believe.
Maybe you want to recommend a 4k if he is seating at 8 feet ?
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Maybe you want to recommend a 4k if he is seating at 8 feet ?
4k if at 8 feet, even 10-12 feet if at least a 65" set. Go to Best Buy with a tape measure. They typically have two Sony sets showing the same source one at 1080p and one at 4k, see where you can tell the difference and then measure.

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If you sit 5-8' away from a 55" you should be able to tell the difference. It's seating distance and not the size of the screen itself. Reasonable seating distance depends on the room layout too.
No, screen size also determines if you can tell the difference. Consider this, can you tell the difference between a 4k and 1080p TV that's 6" from 10 feet way? If not, then screen size *IS* a factor. It's simple math, obviously, size AND distance are factors.

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4k if at 8 feet, even 10-12 feet if at least a 65" set. Go to Best Buy with a tape measure. They typically have two Sony sets showing the same source one at 1080p and one at 4k, see where you can tell the difference and then measure.

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I don't need a tape I had a 65" JS8500 for few weeks and was returned do to some issues.


Sold my 65" VT60 a month ago which I miss and regret selling.

owned the VT60 for 2 years.

At the moment looking for a display.

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Keep us posted. Hopefully they will be pleased with your recommendation.
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I said earlier they ordered the Samsung u55j6200 (1080P) Saturday from Samsung - waiting to get a delivery date now.
I agreed with many of the posters that a $700 4k wasn't worth it at this time, had to decide to suggest the bro-in-law save more money and wait or go with the 1080p, went with the 1080p! They checked out pq of the Vizio and Samsung and liked the Samsung. BB didn't have any 55"ers and wouldn't let them order one so they are getting it direct for the same sale price ($579).
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Wow, how did you do that? The best I see on their site is 50" for $499, and I think they are the 5000 series.
Sorry for getting back to you late. But I got lucky on the deal.

http://slickdeals.net/f/8285759-sams...y-from-samsung

Samsung either had a fluke in their system pricing but people who bought it, got the TV including me.

I see you got the 50" version, it's an EXCELLENT TV and I think you'll love it.
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Sorry for getting back to you late. But I got lucky on the deal.

http://slickdeals.net/f/8285759-sams...y-from-samsung

Samsung either had a fluke in their system pricing but people who bought it, got the TV including me.

I see you got the 50" version, it's an EXCELLENT TV and I think you'll love it.
WOW, you did get lucky to see that deal!!~

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Only $700, get a 1080p. A 4k TV for $700 will be crap or too small to see the difference. Now, for $1500...

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The TV was delivered last week. I went over Friday and put in the calibration settings suggested at rtings web site. Though he liked the picture that he had right out of the box, it was a "wow" moment after I finished making some adjustments.
Very happy with the purchase, thanks everyone for all the help!
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The TV was delivered last week. I went over Friday and put in the calibration settings suggested at rtings web site. Though he liked the picture that he had right out of the box, it was a "wow" moment after I finished making some adjustments.
Very happy with the purchase, thanks everyone for all the help!
The j6200 is a pretty solid tv imo....glad it turned out well for you... $ for $ Ithink it may be the best tv value going right now...i ended up getting a 55 for 499 from costcoand so far i am very happy. ..
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The TV was delivered last week. I went over Friday and put in the calibration settings suggested at rtings web site. Though he liked the picture that he had right out of the box, it was a "wow" moment after I finished making some adjustments.
Very happy with the purchase, thanks everyone for all the help!
The j6200 is a pretty solid tv imo....glad it turned out well for you... $ for $ I think it may be the best tv value going right now...i ended up getting a 55 for 499 from costco and so far i am very happy. ..
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The TV was delivered last week. I went over Friday and put in the calibration settings suggested at rtings web site. Though he liked the picture that he had right out of the box, it was a "wow" moment after I finished making some adjustments.
Very happy with the purchase, thanks everyone for all the help!
Glad to help. For the budget your bro-in-law had to work with I think he made a great choice.
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I haven't been on here in a long time, since I purchased my PN51e7000 plasma. Love the picture on it! But, now I am worried as I started reading all the posts about these burning up, lol! I did buy the 5 year warranty though!
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