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post #391 of 1212 Old 01-05-2016, 03:53 PM
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If you have a receiver that does not have HDMI 2.0, HDCP 2.2 ports you cannot pass the UHD Blu-Ray video through it to your TV. The Samsung player will let us hook one HDMI up to the TV for video and only send the lossless audio track to the receiver.
Would the second HDMI out(the one used for Audio to receiver) not have any form of HDCP or just utilize the old standard? I still think it is crap, because "yay, I don't have to replace my 6 month old receiver, but will still have to replace my 6 month old 4k TV!"

It seems they added the second HDMI out because they recognised a problem with HDCP incompatibilities, but are only going to remedy it for the audio side...If I am understanding it correctly, I still could NOT hook this 4k bluray player to a 4k TV that has the previous iteration of HDCP.

OR, is one output for the old iteration of HDCP and one output for the new HDCP?

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Would the second HDMI out(the one used for Audio to receiver) not have any form of HDCP or just utilize the old standard? I still think it is crap, because "yay, I don't have to replace my 6 month old receiver, but will still have to replace my 6 month old 4k TV!"

It seems they added the second HDMI out because they recognised a problem with HDCP incompatibilities, but are only going to remedy it for the audio side...If I am understanding it correctly, I still could NOT hook this 4k bluray player to a 4k TV that has the previous iteration of HDCP.
The audio is separated from the video and passed through output #2 . The HDCP 2.2 is passed through to the TV. Your TV still needs to support the HDCP 2.2 standard. The audio works with receivers that can accept the PCM track(decoded by the player) or the bitstreamed audio (TrueHD etc).
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I'm also hoping that Sony will have a 65”FALD.......940c is too big

me tooooo im hoping its an upgraded version of the x940c but in 65 and supporst dolby vision with moaaaar zones and better colors!
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Well, Samsung said people watch TVs in bright environment. No point spending extra money making FALD.
Pack it OLED lovers. Samsung says you need brightness for HDR.

Not that Samsung was keen to suggest that the KS9500 is particularly designed for the sort of dark room environments preferred by film fans. On the contrary it made much of the apparent fact that 85% of TV viewers watch television in quite high amounts of ambient light, where the sort of HDR-friendly extreme brightness the KS9500 is capable of is more useful than backlight uniformity.

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John Archer hands-on with the KS9500.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarch...9500-suhd-tvs/

He says the TV's are only 92 to 93% DCI. Has anyone seen a different number? I thought that one of the big strengths of quantum dots was an expanded color gamut.
This is over non quantum dot panels which are around 84-87%. I am shocked that this edge lit display can reach 1000 nits.
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Sony can save the day if they announce a 950d flat full array in 65 and 75
Yup. 2016 seems like it might be a good year for me to replace the ZT60 (really want to go bigger), but none of the new models look too compelling. Lots of buzzwords but more of the same crap. I don't trust or want a Hisense or TCL TV, and don't really trust LG to make a fully competent OLED yet (although they look like they'll be awesome). Samsung is giving us more goofy, curved, edge-lit BS.

HDR is great and all, but I don't want a TV that will only look better than my plasma when watching crap movies like Exodus or The Smurfs. I just rewatched Chinatown and The Aviator on Blu-Ray a few days ago on my plasma and it looked superb. 1,000 nits of edge-lit crap is almost guaranteed to not look as good as what I already have for the vast majority of stuff *I* watch, which is what makes upgrading hard for me.

Having a new TV that meets/exceeds all current specs/standards is a definitely a must if I'm upgrading, but I've become disillusioned with all this stuff lately. The disconnect is that a printed badge on a box or check-list of features like DV/HDR10/1000+ nits is hype, and doesn't guarantee any level of image quality. At the end of the day, I just want a great picture.

I'm really hoping Sony has a much stronger lineup this year as they're looking like my best hope for a new TV.
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If you have a receiver that does not have HDMI 2.0, HDCP 2.2 ports you cannot pass the UHD Blu-Ray video through it to your TV. The Samsung player will let us hook one HDMI up to the TV for video and only send the lossless audio track to the receiver from the second output.
Thank you my AT friend.
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Come on Sony! Momma needs a 75+ FALD with no ears!
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Pack it OLED lovers. Samsung says you need brightness for HDR.

Not that Samsung was keen to suggest that the KS9500 is particularly designed for the sort of dark room environments preferred by film fans. On the contrary it made much of the apparent fact that 85% of TV viewers watch television in quite high amounts of ambient light, where the sort of HDR-friendly extreme brightness the KS9500 is capable of is more useful than backlight uniformity.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarch...9500-suhd-tvs/
Yes and no. If you are looking at a picture with blacks that are .0005 or whatever you don't need 1000 nits. That's why the UHD Alliance set HDR standards how they did. Samsung can say what they want, but even my JS9000 with it's 700nit or whatever brightness is bright as hell in a dark room. I guess if you never dim the lights then sure, it helps.
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Samsung's super-fridge packs everything but the kitchen sink WATCH TV ON YOUR FRIDGE!!!


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This is over non quantum dot panels which are around 84-87%. I am shocked that this edge lit display can reach 1000 nits.
Improved LED's is all I can think.

also this are peak nits not that the display is 24/7 at 1,000 nits.

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The KS8500 looks promising if it doesn't cost more then $2500 (but I'm crazy to think that will happen).


I'm crossing my fingers that Sony has an 850D that is HDR Premium with at least basic FLAD. Passive 3D would be a bonus!


Also do any of these TVs have 3D? I am kind of nervous!


COME ON SONY!!!!
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Well, for those of us looking to buy a 2016 UHDTV set in sizes bigger than 75" diagonal i must say i am rather disappointed so far with the news from CES 2016.

Hisense is not advertising its curved 77" set for sale in the USA and seems to be making a big deal of the 65" set that has been available at Amazon for the past month with m.s.r.p. of $3K (discounted to $2.5K) and now it appears the new Hisense m.s.r.p. has been lowered to $2.8K.

TCL also seems to be making a big deal of its 65" UHDTV model with FALD + 288 dimming zones, HDR and quantum-dot tech, but how much of an improvement is it from the very similar model from Hisense ? Did the press release mention any set bigger than 65" diagonal for sale in the USA next year ?

Sharp will be releasing UHDTV sets next year no larger than 70" diagonal.

Vizio as expected shows the R-Series available in only two sizes, 65" and that senseless "proof-of-concept" 120" set with m.s.r.p. of $130K. Unless the company quickly releases some/any info on a 2016 P-Series i can see a lot of the excitement and sales Vizio has garnered for the past two years being contested by Hisense, TCL and the incoming Chinese juggernaut.

Samsung will have the new top-of-the-line 9800 line in sizes up to 77" and 88" (curved screen ?) and considering the company is still listing last year's 77" model with m.s.r.p. of "only" $10K i don't see how this new model would cost any less; Comparing that to the Sony XBR75940C currently being sold for $6k i would venture to say that Samsung will be losing a lot of customers to Sony.

Panasonic seems to be hedging all bets before giving up on the North American market by introducing a top-of-the-line OLED set (screen sourced from the only OLED screen manufacturer in the world, namely LG) and an entire new line of inexpensive LCD UHDTV sets (no FALD, no HDR, no WCG ?)

So far, nothing yet from Sony; I just hope their marketing department has been wise enough by keeping track of online comments from prospective customers for the XBR75X940C and realize that quite a few of us do not like or want non-removable side speakers that add tremendously to its size making it much more difficult to install in limited spaces.
I am sure that with all its expertise it would be quite easy for Sony to introduce a similar model in 2016 with "beautifully looking" side speakers that could be completely removed or installed at the bottom, at the owner's discretion !

The more i read about CES 2016 and UHDTV models larger than 75" diagonal, the more convinced i am that the Sony XBR75X940C appears to be my best choice by having the best ratio of features/performance/price and, dare i say it, reputation.

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I don't understand why samsung keep pushing high end curve displays ,the curve is been criticize by many reviewers.

why not just make two versions of the same model .


I hope that they improved the viewing angle and native contrast. A 65" curve displays is for one person or a couple on a loveseat.

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Dish Serves Up 4K, 16-Tuner DVR, Hopper Go At CES

http://www.twice.com/news/home-satel...r-go-ces/59965


IF you need to tape 16 shows at once you got a lots of problems...
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Here we go again. Same folks will be buying the "top of the line, overpriced, last 4k tv I will need for years" yet again, for the third year in a row.
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I don't understand why samsung keep pushing high end curve displays ,the curve is been criticize by many reviewers.

why not just make two versions of the same model .


I hope that they improved the viewing angle and native contrast. A 65" curve displays is for one person or a couple on a loveseat.
The curve was last years gimmick for premium pricing...

They keep running out of ideas to make the next model the one people 'need'.
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Guys, had there been any news regarding lower end 2016 TVs (specially 1080p) or are companies like Sammy and LG only going to introduce higher ends and would continue to sell the 2015 models?
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Guys, had there been any news regarding lower end 2016 TVs (specially 1080p) or are companies like Sammy and LG only going to introduce higher ends and would continue to sell the 2015 models?
This is like the second year in a row that all TV manufactures have NOT talked about the 1080P TV at CES...

TCL briefly brought them up in the press conference they had, but even they were mainly about the one 65" extra special model.
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The KS8500 looks promising if it doesn't cost more then $2500 (but I'm crazy to think that will happen).


I'm crossing my fingers that Sony has an 850D that is HDR Premium with at least basic FLAD. Passive 3D would be a bonus!


Also do any of these TVs have 3D? I am kind of nervous!


COME ON SONY!!!!

3D!?!?! So Far no mention of that at CES from any TV manufacture.
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Guys, had there been any news regarding lower end 2016 TVs (specially 1080p) or are companies like Sammy and LG only going to introduce higher ends and would continue to sell the 2015 models?
I think that 2016 is the end for 1080p sets on Sony,Samsung,LG and Panasonic.
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The curve was last years gimmick for premium pricing...

They keep running out of ideas to make the next model the one people 'need'.
I guess they gave up on 3D and now resort to brightness wars.
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The more i read about CES 2016 and UHDTV models larger than 75" diagonal, the more convinced i am that the Sony XBR75X940C appears to be my best choice by having the best ratio of features/performance/price and, dare i say it, reputation.
I am thinking the same thing. However, I'm nervous that the XBR75X940C will not be compliant with 4K Bluray. Anxiously awaiting Sony's announcements to see where they are going and hopeful Vizio will release info on the 2016 P series (but feel it's unlikely).
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I think that 2016 is the end for 1080p sets on Sony,Samsung,LG and Panasonic.
BUTT you still have to sell TV's under 43 inches though... So far the Sony,Samsung,LG and Panasonic have not gone into the deep end on 4K tv sets under 43 inches though.
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I guess they gave up on 3D and now resort to brightness wars.

Brightness wars are fun
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I am thinking the same thing. However, I'm nervous that the XBR75X940C will not be compliant with 4K Bluray. Anxiously awaiting Sony's announcements to see where they are going and hopeful Vizio will release info on the 2016 P series (but feel it's unlikely).
The 940c supports HDR10 which is going to be required for every UHD Blu-Ray that wants to use HDR. No worries there.
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Not a CES Rumor but a rumor nonetheless. Seems like 11k is coming...

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1345...g-11k-displays
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