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Scott, will the UHD alliance presser be live streamed tonight?

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So the Super UHD designation will be piggy backing off of Samsungs SUHD marketing blitz, eh? Interesting approach LG. I'm really curious over what actual HDR standards will be supported (Dolby Vision, Technicolor, SMPTE UHD Blu-Ray). I'm not interested in a TV that doesn't support at least one if not all of these for future proofing. I'm not that excited about simulated HDR for SDR content, I fear that will just "blow out" the coloring. I can't see how this could be equivalent to pixel upscaling (from say HD to 4K). I think this is the first time someone has claimed an algorithm capable of expanding out SDR, but I could be wrong.
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So the Super UHD designation will be piggy backing off of Samsungs SUHD marketing blitz, eh? Interesting approach LG. I'm really curious over what actual HDR standards will be supported (Dolby Vision, Technicolor, SMPTE UHD Blu-Ray). I'm not interested in a TV that doesn't support at least one if not all of these for future proofing. I'm not that excited about simulated HDR for SDR content, I fear that will just "blow out" the coloring. I can't see how this could be equivalent to pixel upscaling (from say HD to 4K). I think this is the first time someone has claimed an algorithm capable of expanding out SDR, but I could be wrong.
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Isn''t this the third CES enthused with UHD and I love UHD on my TV but where the hell are the UHD Channels? Now, we have SUPER UHD and yet we have this damn Black HOLE where next to nothing seems to be arriving and fed to our DAMN UHD TV's unless they are rerun movies at $30 a pop!

Where's the Sports? Where's the Broadcasts? Where's my DAMN UHD player promised for a couple of years? Where?

How long do we have to buy $100 USB UHD sticks with 70% of it crap!

Scott, I guess the best things you Pro's could do is find out when the HELL is UHD/HDR going mainstream - what is this UHD Alliance doing? I have well over 500 Channels and ALL the Premiums and NONE are in UHD!

More important than the TV's is SOMETHING UHD to Feed it! Mine's starving!
Amazon and Netflix have a decent amount of UHD content. Comcast announced a UHD cable box a few months back. Once the cable companies start losing business to providers who offer UHD, they'll all move in mass. This isn't any different than when HD came out. At first, you had to use an OTA antenna. Then over time, the cable companies began offering UHD packages.
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I wonder how much an 8K TV will cost, though it sounds exciting. And I care about 8K because I want to use it as a PC monitor and I wonder when 8K will get 4:4:4 at 60Hz, probably next year I guess. I doubt a single HDMI port will give 60Hz at 8K anyway.
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The UHD Alliance (UHDA) – a global consortium comprising some of the biggest names in the consumer electronics industry (members) – has published the minimum specifications that define a premium Ultra High-Definition (UHD) experience for consumers in the home.

Products and services which meet the performance metrics will be eligible to license a “Ultra HD Premium” logo from the UHDA for promotional and marketing purposes.

“ULTRA HD PREMIUM” Logo



“ULTRA HD PREMIUM” logo is trademark of the UHD Alliance, Inc.



Announced last night at the UHD Alliance’s press conference at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) 2016 in Las Vegas, here are the required specifications for a television to receive the “Ultra HD Premium” logo:

UHD Alliance Technical Specifications Overview

The UHD Alliance has developed three specifications to support the next-generation premium home entertainment experience.

The three specifications cover the entertainment ecosystem in the following categories:
  • Devices (currently, television displays, with other devices under consideration)
  • Distribution
  • Content

A high level overview of each technical specification can be found below.
Please join the UHD Alliance for full access to all technical and test specifications.

Devices

The UHD Alliance supports various display technologies and consequently, have defined combinations of parameters to ensure a premium experience across a wide range of devices.

In order to receive the UHD Alliance Premium Logo, the device must meet or exceed the following specifications:
  • Image Resolution: 3840x2160
  • Color Bit Depth: 10-bit signal
  • Color Palette (Wide Color Gamut)
    • Signal Input: BT.2020 color representation
    • Display Reproduction: More than 90% of P3 colors
  • High Dynamic Range
    • SMPTE ST2084 EOTF
    • A combination of peak brightness and black level either:
      • More than 1000 nits peak brightness and less than 0.05 nits black level or
      • More than 540 nits peak brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level

Distribution

Any distribution channel delivering the UHD Alliance content must support:
  • Image Resolution: 3840x2160
  • Color Bit Depth: Minimum 10-bit signal
  • Color: BT.2020 color representation
  • High Dynamic Range: SMPTE ST2084 EOTF

Content Master

The UHD Alliance Content Master must meet the following requirements:
  • Image Resolution: 3840x2160
  • Color Bit Depth: Minimum 10-bit signal
  • Color: BT.2020 color representation
  • High Dynamic Range: SMPTE ST2084 EOTF

The UHD Alliance recommends the following mastering display specifications:
  • Display Reproduction: Minimum 100% of P3 colors
  • Peak Brightness: More than 1000 nits
  • Black Level: Less than 0.03 nits

The UHD Alliance technical specifications prioritize image quality and recommend support for next-generation audio.

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So I jumped on the UHD bandwagon too soon?
My Vizio P is "Just" a 4K Ultra HD TV, not premium, so then where does that leave so many early adopter who help fund the R&D ...
http://www.vizio.com/p-series
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Im curious if the LCD sets will get dolby vision as do the OLED tvs? but being IPS panels, i would be very leary of getting one of these.

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So, edge-lit and IPS? They're starting out in a hole just from the fundamental tech in the panel.

It will be interesting to see if they can manage to get VA-like black levels out of an IPS panel through their wizardry and if they can get the pinpoint bright highlights and excellent shadow detail combined with inky-blackness that HDR promises out of an edge-lit set.

I'm skeptical, especially based on LG's lackluster LCDs this year, but hey, if they can pull it off it will be nice to have another high quality option.
LG presented their new OLED'S as the only Super HDR TV and put down LCD as a lesser TV unable to match their new OLED, then they bring out their LCD? Should have left their LCD in the closet, it made them look double talking dumb! Worst of all their LCD is edge lite.
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At first, you had to use an OTA antenna. Then over time, the cable companies began offering UHD packages.
I think you got a little ahead of yourself. They began offering "HD" packages and will probably offer UHD packages in the future.
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So I jumped on the UHD bandwagon too soon?
My Vizio P is "Just" a 4K Ultra HD TV, not premium, so then where does that leave so many early adopter who help fund the R&D ...
http://www.vizio.com/p-series
It leaves you with the same great TV you have now. HDR UHD Blu-rays will render to the REC.709 color space on your P-series. If you are happy with that now then you will be just as happy with it later.
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Boy LG jumps right into the 8K game while 4K is still trying to get its foothold. Well done LG for having the guts to do it just as they were the only ones who did OLED. Keep it rolling LG because I'm eyeing 8K along with OLED as my future tv sets. To hell with 4K I want 8K.
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So I jumped on the UHD bandwagon too soon?
My Vizio P is "Just" a 4K Ultra HD TV, not premium, so then where does that leave so many early adopter who help fund the R&D ...
http://www.vizio.com/p-series
You should of known that's how it always goes.

What's this "panel on glass" thing i'm reading about the new OLED?

Nevermind. It has to do with the thiness of it. Egh.

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What is the expected peak nit value of the LG OLED given the Dolby Vision requirement for HDR? I understand the UHD Premium alliance logo for certified devices makes allowances for the range of OLED given true black, but I haven't read what this means in terms of Dolby Vision certification. How does the OLED make peak brightness?

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It leaves you with the same great TV you have now. HDR UHD Blu-rays will render to the REC.709 color space on your P-series. If you are happy with that now then you will be just as happy with it later.
yea - I find myself preaching to myself what I preach to others, buy for today and don't feel remorse tomorrow.
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What is the expected peak nit value of the LG OLED given the Dolby Vision requirement for HDR? I understand the UHD Premium alliance logo for certified devices makes allowances for the range of OLED given true black, but I haven't read what this means in terms of Dolby Vision certification. How does the OLED make peak brightness?
It doesn't matter with Dolby vision as it is scalable the vizio R is only 800 nits Dolby has stated the DV is scalable so the tv meets DV requirements . DV can be 2000 nits or 540 it will scale to the display. I think realistically anything under 540 nits can't get bright enough for specular highlights it will scale relative to displays capabilities delivering the same effect.
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watched your video on the CES show and mostly the TVs. Hoping to see if you have any favorites now with your brief views of the TV brands - The LG OLED sets seem to have improved - did you notice any difference? Perhaps you will talk about them on Leo's show today

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I'd be curious to know if any of these models support 3D.
I would like to know as well. I have 84" UB9800 and while not perfect by any means plus all the typical issues with edge-lit LED, it rocks 3D like there's no tomorrow, to the point that it routinely wows guests that say they hate 3D. Until they see it on this set that is. Calibration has helped black levels and perceived contrast a lot, and greatly diminished typical anomalies such as backlight flash-lighting and motion artifacts (motion is very good btw).

So I'm quite curious to hear of the improvements the new line-up brings, particularly the UH9500 line.
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There are already prices? I'm interested for the device with 75".
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I would like to know as well. I have 84" UB9800 and while not perfect by any means plus all the typical issues with edge-lit LED, it rocks 3D like there's no tomorrow, to the point that it routinely wows guests that say they hate 3D. Until they see it on this set that is. Calibration has helped black levels and perceived contrast a lot, and greatly diminished typical anomalies such as backlight flash-lighting and motion artifacts (motion is very good btw).

So I'm quite curious to hear of the improvements the new line-up brings, particularly the UH9500 line.

I have a LG LV9500 55 inch and I have always said that TV'S have to be larger for 3D and have enough screen to fill your peripheral vision, like your 84 inch TV. I would like to get a large TV but money limits me to 70 inch with my next TV. I agree 4K has helped passive 3D. TV makers came out too early with 3D, they should have waited till 4K. 3D is being phased out by manufactures for cost, I rather have FALD then 3D and it looks like manufactures are making that decision for US.

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So I jumped on the UHD bandwagon too soon?
My Vizio P is "Just" a 4K Ultra HD TV, not premium, so then where does that leave so many early adopter who help fund the R&D ...
http://www.vizio.com/p-series
Scott said many times hold off on 4K you still have the better resolution you just will not get the vast improvement in color reproduction coming later in the year.
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I have a LG LV9500 55 inch and I have always said that TV'S have to be larger for 3D and have enough screen to fill your peripheral vision, like your 84 inch TV. I would like to get a large TV but money limits me to 70 inch with my next TV. I agree 4K has helped passive 3D. TV makers came out too early with 3D, they should have waited till 4K. 3D is being phased out by manufactures for cost, I rather have FALD then 3D and it looks like manufactures are making that decision for US.
Hold on... only Vizio imho the k-mart of tv's does not support 3D LG, Panasonic, Sony and just about everyone else still has 3D Blu-Ray box office hits still are being made in 3D
and will be for a very long time. Seems the 3D haters have won, only a handful of 2016 LG sets will have 3D everyone else is done. So we get HDR which the general public won't want or understand, great.

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