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LG Super UHD LED-LCD TVs at CES 2016



Like most companies exhibiting at CES, LG keeps its news under pretty tight wraps until the show. However, the company decided to let one cat out of the bag a bit early—it will introduce a new line of LED-LCD TVs dubbed "Super UHD" at CES 2016. The line includes three models—the UH7700 (with sizes from 49 to 65 inches), UH8500 (55 to 75 inches), and UH9500 (55 to 85 inches, pictured above).

The new sets will feature advanced IPS (in-plane switching) LCD panels for wide viewing angles with True Black Panel, a proprietary technology that minimizes reflections and enhances the contrast ratio. Another feature called Contrast Maximizer "delivers more depth and contrast by separating objects from their backgrounds." I don't yet know what that means, but I intend to find out at the show.

Among the other notable features of the new Super UHD TVs is LG's HDR Plus suite of technologies, which is said to "heighten HDR performance compared to sets that are only HDR compatible," whatever that means. The suite includes a feature called Ultra Luminance, which boosts peak brightness while improving black-level performance, and Color Prime, about which there is no direct info in the press release. Also, an SDR-to-HDR conversion engine allows the new sets to display SDR content with "near-HDR" characteristics. Finally, a feature called Billion Rich Colors refers to the ability to render over one billion color variations.

The UH8500 and UH9500 lines up the ante with Color Prime Plus, which uses new, thicker color filters and new LCD phosphors to achieve about 90% of the DCI/P3 color gamut. Both lines also provide 10-bit panels with processing; the press release says nothing about the UH7700 in this regard, which leads me to surmise it has an 8-bit panel. However, it also has the Billion Rich Colors features, which I assume requires a 10-bit panel and processing, since an 8-bit panel can render "only" 16,777,215 million colors, while 10 bits can represent 1,073,741,824 distinct shades.

Also slated to be unveiled is the UH9800, a 98-inch behemoth with 8K resolution. Talk about Super UHD!

All Super UHD TVs will include LG's latest generation webOS 3.0 Smart TV platform with advanced features to make finding and switching between content options simple and fast. The new webOS 3.0 offers enhanced mobile connectivity and more content options, including streaming HDR content.

As usual, no pricing has yet been announced, but the press release says that select models will begin shipping in the US in early Spring.

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Scott, Robert Heron is reporting that only the 9500 is 10 bit, while the other 2 lines are 8 bit. Which is correct?

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However, it also has the Billion Rich Colors features, which I assume requires a 10-bit panel and processing, since an 8-bit panel can render "only" 16,777,215 million colors, while 10 bits can represent 1,073,741,824 distinct shades.
It would be plausible to advertise the billion colors if the panel is 8 bit, provided the processing is 10 bit and the other 2 bits are got by dithering.
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Scott, Robert Heron is reporting that only the 9500 is 10 bit, while the other 2 lines are 8 bit. Which is correct?
Well, the press release itself does not specify, but the note that accompanied the press release says that both the 9500 and 8500 are 10-bit.
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It would be plausible to advertise the billion colors if the panel is 8 bit, provided the processing is 10 bit and the other 2 bits are got by dithering.
Good point!
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We are gonna need a longer episode of Home Theater Geeks plus lots of coverage here about what you see at CES.
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That Robert Heron blog post mentions that the 8500 and 7700 use an 8-bit IPS panel with improved dithering.

I'd be curious to know if any of these models support 3D.
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Could we just get 4k right before we move on to 8k? Come on man!
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We are gonna need a longer episode of Home Theater Geeks plus lots of coverage here about what you see at CES.
That's the plan! There will be an HTG of booth interviews on 1/7 and a CES wrapup panel discussion on 1/14. Plus, Mark Henninger and I will be posting lots of coverage during and after the show, so stay tuned!
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Isn''t this the third CES enthused with UHD and I love UHD on my TV but where the hell are the UHD Channels? Now, we have SUPER UHD and yet we have this damn Black HOLE where next to nothing seems to be arriving and fed to our DAMN UHD TV's unless they are rerun movies at $30 a pop!

Where's the Sports? Where's the Broadcasts? Where's my DAMN UHD player promised for a couple of years? Where?

How long do we have to buy $100 USB UHD sticks with 70% of it crap!

Scott, I guess the best things you Pro's could do is find out when the HELL is UHD/HDR going mainstream - what is this UHD Alliance doing? I have well over 500 Channels and ALL the Premiums and NONE are in UHD!

More important than the TV's is SOMETHING UHD to Feed it! Mine's starving!

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Scott, I guess the best things you Pro's could do is find out when the HELL is UHD/HDR going mainstream - what is this UHD Alliance doing?
The UHD Alliance is holding a press conference Monday evening, which I'll be at. Plus, I'll be covering the UHD Alliance and Blu-ray Disc Association, and I'll be moderating a panel on Friday with Hanno Basse, head of the UHDA, Pat Griffis of Dolby, Dan Schinasi of Samsung and the BDA, and Joe Kane, talking about exactly this subject. I expect some good news out of all of this...
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The UHD Alliance is holding a press conference Monday evening, which I'll be at. Plus, I'll be covering the UHD Alliance and Blu-ray Disc Association, and I'll be moderating a panel on Friday with Hanno Basse, head of the UHDA, Pat Griffis of Dolby, Dan Schinasi of Samsung and the BDA, and Joe Kane, talking about exactly this subject. I expect some good news out of all of this...
Why moderate those guys? Let them say what they really think! It will be much more entertaining.
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The UHD Alliance is holding a press conference Monday evening, which I'll be at. Plus, I'll be covering the UHD Alliance and Blu-ray Disc Association, and I'll be moderating a panel on Friday with Hanno Basse, head of the UHDA, Pat Griffis of Dolby, Dan Schinasi of Samsung and the BDA, and Joe Kane, talking about exactly this subject. I expect some good news out of all of this...
Scott,

Any more details on this Panel you can share? I will be attending CES on Thursday and Friday and would be interested in hearing the discussion. Thanks.
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I saw this today as well
http://www.aol.com/article/2016/01/03/lg-announces-new-lineup-of-super-uhd-televisions/21291095/

so before there is really even any 4K available...the 4K Tv's are already outdated?!...

if so..glad I waited and only bought one on a "deal"

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no no no.... We are even going to do 16K even before we 1080P right
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Any more details on this Panel you can share? I will be attending CES on Thursday and Friday and would be interested in hearing the discussion. Thanks.
The panel will be on Friday, 10:15-11:15 AM, in room N259...hope you can make it!
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no no no.... We are even going to do 16K even before we 1080P right
and you know this means HDMI 2.2 and HDCP 2.6 right?

time to throw it all out and buy it all again .....

wonder what's next after OLED?....

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Isn''t this the third CES enthused with UHD and I love UHD on my TV but where the hell are the UHD Channels? Now, we have SUPER UHD and yet we have this damn Black HOLE where next to nothing seems to be arriving and fed to our DAMN UHD TV's unless they are rerun movies at $30 a pop!

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More important than the TV's is SOMETHING UHD to Feed it! Mine's starving!
I just got a 4k Rogers Cable box I have a 4k channel and all Leaf hockey games and Blue jays baseball games will be in 4k HDR Soon Shoomi will launch with 4k movies and shows some in HDR too. Rogers is the first in the world to offer this hopefully other providers across the world follow soon.
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Rogers is the first in the world to offer this hopefully other providers across the world follow soon.
I believe it's not the first in the world, Europe and Japan have a 4K channel already.

4K hockey and baseball content yes.


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The panel will be on Friday, 10:15-11:15 AM, in room N259...hope you can make it!
Check into the panel early, I tried to attend a panel Scott was on in 2014 and found out too late you had to pay & preregister. Something that Scott had no control over.
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So, edge-lit and IPS? They're starting out in a hole just from the fundamental tech in the panel.

It will be interesting to see if they can manage to get VA-like black levels out of an IPS panel through their wizardry and if they can get the pinpoint bright highlights and excellent shadow detail combined with inky-blackness that HDR promises out of an edge-lit set.

I'm skeptical, especially based on LG's lackluster LCDs this year, but hey, if they can pull it off it will be nice to have another high quality option.
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Hopefully the reason they mailed it in on the LCD side is because their focus is completely on OLED.
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I believe it's not the first in the world, Europe and Japan have a 4K channel already.

4K hockey and baseball content yes.


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Yes the 4k hdr sports is the 1st in the world. Not only did they choose 4k for sports but HDR too can't wait for the first game this month.
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Yes the 4k hdr sports is the 1st in the world. Not only did they choose 4k for sports but HDR too can't wait for the first game this month.
It's a game changer for sure. Finally sports in 4K and UHD/HDR Bluray. It's what we have been waiting for some time.
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I saw this today as well
http://www.aol.com/article/2016/01/03/lg-announces-new-lineup-of-super-uhd-televisions/21291095/

so before there is really even any 4K available...the 4K Tv's are already outdated?!...

if so..glad I waited and only bought one on a "deal"

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Scott, will there be a live stream?
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Can you find out when Sony will add UHDBR capability to the PS4?
The PS4 will support 4K blu-ray - NeoGAF

With PS5 in 2020 or 2019, and having the PS3 led the way for bluray adoption in 2006/2007, one would think Sony would apply that to PS4 and UHDBR in 2016.
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The heck with 4K ! I am waiting for 8K! Ha.

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The UK has a 4K channel on BT TV - been there for a few months now, its a sporting channel.

I hope they continue with 3D in 2016. I think with 4K , 3d may still revive again due to better quality passive pictures.
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