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Hmm then it should definitely meet the certification. I thought hdtv test had the ANSI at like 0.06 or 7 though.

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Are you getting the new Oled to have the new certification badge
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lol nope. I'm on the every other year plan. As long as what I have will do hdr which it does. I'm good. Will let the dust settle and see what improvements have been made to the real issues that these displays had and see what new issues crop up. Jump back in on the 2017 models. Unless of course there is just some ridiculous deal that happens I cannot pass up but I'm more then happy with what I have now.

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lol nope. I'm on the every other year plan. As long as what I have will do hdr which it does. I'm good. Will let the dust settle and see what improvements have been made to the real issues that these displays had and see what new issues crop up. Jump back in on the 2017 models. Unless of course there is just some ridiculous deal that happens I cannot pass up but I'm more then happy with what I have now.
I agree there is nothing to worry ,commercial cinemas can only go up to 100nits , anything higher will make the light bounce back to the screen and ruin the contrast.

You have like 400 nits right? the only difference is the % of the DCI P-3 colors.
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The msrp price for the Sony 940C was $8k when released and the Sony 930C $4.5k.

ouch I think that the new 940D could be in the 9k or even more and the 930D at $5.5K.


This is just guessing!!!
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The msrp price for the Sony 940C was $8k when released and the Sony 930C $4.5k.

ouch I think that the new 940D could be in the 9k or even more and the 930D at $5.5K.


This is just guessing!!!
it will prolly be the same as the c series

unrelated there is a q and a on sonys facebook from all there twiitter questions .
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if you watch the Q and A at the end he says the x930d will replace the x940c . so grab em guys right before they go off the shelves as they are not carry over products. Meaning the D series is deff going to dominate over the cs
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the blacks on that look excellent. do i dare say it looks like an oled?

interested to see if its a cherry picked panel or if they all look like that with sonys new backlighting system.
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Some actual videos from the CES floor by ABT.com
x930d
youtube.com/watch?v=xd-aZAvlwho

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youtube.com/watch?v=roNvx9NrkXg

x930d sounds like a big upgrade from the x930c, but not much difference in the 940s. Seems like the x940c has most of the new features.

He does say there will be slight improvements to 4K1 chip features- although its the same chip- not sure what to make of that. He champions XDR pro, which still sounds the same as on the x940c.
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New tv specs-
European so mind the metrics

sony.co.uk/electronics/televisions/xd9405-xd9305-series/specifications#features

Weight of the x940d is roughly 85 pounds w/o stand and 96 with the stand. All come with IR blasters presumably for IOT. I wonder if the new remotes could be used with the x940c?

Also tvs slated to come out in April/May.
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the blacks on that look excellent. do i dare say it looks like an oled?

interested to see if its a cherry picked panel or if they all look like that with sonys new backlighting system.
im sure it will be a bit of both and thats only the 930d sooo imagine the x940d
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The msrp price for the Sony 940C was $8k when released and the Sony 930C $4.5k.

ouch I think that the new 940D could be in the 9k or even more and the 930D at $5.5K.


This is just guessing!!!
I thought the ultra-thin bezel design and the removal of the speakers would probably lower the MSRP at the time of their releases. If the 930D is going to be 5.5K,it might roughly be equal to or even higher than the price of the 940c by then. But given the currently disclosed prices on the 2016 LG OLEDs,anything is possible.
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the blacks on that look excellent. do i dare say it looks like an oled?

interested to see if its a cherry picked panel or if they all look like that with sonys new backlighting system.
Judging black levels not only on a showroom floor but also from a video...?

C'mon man.
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Looks like top sets are UHD certified after all really stupid of Sony to go with different logo as step down 850D has it and is not certified.

At CES 2016, one of the big iterative improvements to the TVs that we’re seeing — that you’re going to be buying in the near future — is Ultra HD Premium, with explicit support for 4K video with high dynamic range. Sony is very much in the 4K HDR camp, with eight new TVs in its fifteen-screen Aussie line-up supporting the brand new standard.

Sony is one of the big drivers in the UHD Alliance, so it should come as no surprise that the top screens in its 2016 Bravia TV line-up are Ultra HD Premium compliant. It even has its own 4K HDR logo to make it clear when you’re standing in the store trying to make a decision. (Note that Sony loves the term “4K”, while everyone else is a fan of “Ultra HD”.)

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Right ......looks like Gizmodo got it wrong (again ) about 4000 NIT back-lights being in the 2016 Sony production sets so far and not just the CES prototype set .

Amazing how all these web site bloggers don't research things. I had to come here to get the real scoop about that 4000 NIT back light business in fact you pointed me in the right direction .

I left a comment there at Gizmodo below the article and mentioned AVS & Carlos E since he seems to be well informed on Sony products . I did the same thing in an AVForum reply in the X850C thread where a poster thought the new 2016 Sony's were going to be 4000 NIT.

All those bloggers should check here at AVS first you guys seem to get it all sorted out rather quickly
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Gotta love SonyUSA, the specs for the new 4K sets appear on the SonyUK site, but not on SonyUSA. Great customer service atitude Sony.

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Judging black levels not only on a showroom floor but also from a video...?

C'mon man.

I agree is just the black filter and probably the blacks on that scene was enhanced to make the blacks look very deep.

I dont see much difference just a darker filter to make the blacks look darker on a bright environment and the extra brightness.

picture settings is definitely in torch mode with all the fake blacks enhancements on.


honestly beside the prototype ,I have serous doubt that this thin tv's perform better in a dark environment over the 2015 displays.

thinner and brighter = more severe halos and blooming.

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Gotta love SonyUSA, the specs for the new 4K sets appear on the SonyUK site, but not on SonyUSA. Great customer service atitude Sony.

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The same as last year. Accurate specs were on the UK and Asian sites.
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I agree is just the black filter and probably the blacks on that scene was enhanced to make the blacks look very deep.

I dont see much difference just a darker filter to make the blacks look darker on a bright environment and the extra brightness.

picture settings is definitely in torch mode with all the fake blacks enhancements on.


honestly beside the prototype ,I have serous doubt that this thin tv's perform better in a dark environment over the 2015 displays.

thinner and brighter = more severe halos and blooming.

Ive seen alot of videos online, but the 930d video I thought was still impressive despite the conditions. Usually cameras can exaggerated bloom but that tv looked pretty good. But was it a cherry picked panel?

And as long as the filter gives the appearance of darker blacks, isn't that the whole point?

Of course we gotta see how they perform, but sony is touting a new backlight system pretty good so we'll find out soon enough if it's a hype or the real deal.
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Ive seen alot of videos online, but the 930d video I thought was still impressive despite the conditions. Usually cameras can exaggerated bloom but that tv looked pretty good. But was it a cherry picked panel?

And as long as the filter gives the appearance of darker blacks, isn't that the whole point?

Of course we gotta see how they perform, but sony is touting a new backlight system pretty good so we'll find out soon enough if it's a hype or the real deal.

The filter will only work on bright environment ,the filter will become practically useless for blacks in a dark environment.


A bias light can help restore that perception.

but dont forget about all the artificial black enhancements ,the video scene ect ect.

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if you watch the Q and A at the end he says the x930d will replace the x940c . so grab em guys right before they go off the shelves as they are not carry over products. Meaning the D series is deff going to dominate over the cs
But according to the specs on the SonyUK website, the 930d is edge-lit and the 940d is FALD.
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Right ......looks like Gizmodo got it wrong (again ) about 4000 NIT back-lights being in the 2016 Sony production sets so far and not just the CES prototype set .

Amazing how all these web site bloggers don't research things. I had to come here to get the real scoop about that 4000 NIT back light business in fact you pointed me in the right direction .

I left a comment there at Gizmodo below the article and mentioned AVS & Carlos E since he seems to be well informed on Sony products . I did the same thing in an AVForum reply in the X850C thread where a poster thought the new 2016 Sony's were going to be 4000 NIT.

All those bloggers should check here at AVS first you guys seem to get it all sorted out rather quickly
Just to reiterate to anyone who might be confused about the 4000 nits display. It is a prototype and only a prototype. Its actually a fairly thick looking TV if you look at the video. It has no model number and no production agenda.

The sony x930d is edge lit as per the UK website. There is a slim backlight drive, which Sony seems proud of- but its still officially edge lit. I would honestly be surprised if the tv reachs 1000nits, but who knows- we'll have to wait and see.

The x940d is the only true FALD this year it seems.
The 85 inch prototype probably has a ton of FALD zones, but again its a prototype - so really who cares.

Don't let a random article by a random blogger from Australia add to the confusion. At this point we know very very much about next years sets.
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So is there any practical downside to getting the C instead of the D? I am specifically concerned about compatibility with 4k bluray. If the picture quality is similar, I don't really care about the ears. Also, price should be couple thousand cheaper. Anyone have any thoughts after looks at the specs if there's anything the D has that the C lacks? I'm not planning to use Sony's app for downloading 4K.
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Gotta love SonyUSA, the specs for the new 4K sets appear on the SonyUK site, but not on SonyUSA. Great customer service atitude Sony.

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I've noticed they seem to treat the Brits better on the websites maybe they think we are all like the Kardashians and K West or the executive idiots they hire and talent they sign at the Sony content studios here

FWIW I think the U.K. has some strict consumer protection laws also that go well beyond what we have here which is basically not much beyond RF emissions for CE devices.

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So is there any practical downside to getting the C instead of the D? I am specifically concerned about compatibility with 4k bluray. If the picture quality is similar, I don't really care about the ears. Also, price should be couple thousand cheaper. Anyone have any thoughts after looks at the specs if there's anything the D has that the C lacks? I'm not planning to use Sony's app for downloading 4K.

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My bad I was thinking the X850C vs the X850D I cant comment on X930C vs the X940D so I removed my comets below .

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The specs don't make it look like a must have upgrade over the 930c. The people who have seen it on the showroom floor have different opinions, though. It may be in your best interest to wait and see it in person. From my side of things, if my replacement 930c isn't satisfactory (DSE, horrendous lightbleed) I will wait and see if the new slim-backlight is worth the upgrade. Sony seems excited about it, CES Attendees seem excited, so we will see.
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So is there any practical downside to getting the C instead of the D? I am specifically concerned about compatibility with 4k bluray. If the picture quality is similar, I don't really care about the ears. Also, price should be couple thousand cheaper. Anyone have any thoughts after looks at the specs if there's anything the D has that the C lacks? I'm not planning to use Sony's app for downloading 4K.
D is a better panel , better processing , better contrast , colors, more zones and better Os. So in short the picture will be better
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I personally think the 930d will be better than a 930c by a significant amount. But the 940d may not be a significant upgrade over the 940c, aside from size and form factor.

As for cost- it's all speculation. But as for the 940d , I believe it will cost in the 6000 range. Doesn't really add much innovation and is likely cheaper to make and ship than the 940c.
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I personally think the 930d will be better than a 930c by a significant amount. But the 940d may not be a significant upgrade over the 940c, aside from size and form factor.

As for cost- it's all speculation. But as for the 940d , I believe it will cost in the 6000 range. Doesn't really add much innovation and is likely cheaper to make and ship than the 940c.

Phil Jones Says otherwise. quote " i will tell you the x940d will FAR exceed the performance and picture quality of last years x940C"
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(Note that Sony loves the term “4K”, while everyone else is a fan of “Ultra HD”.)
UHD is the correct term. I am not aware of any content available at the moment that isn't 3840x2160(UHD standard).
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