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I'm looking for a television and not a display monitor.... Sony and Vizio are not televisions for 2016
I didn't realize that Sony wasn't a TV. :shrugs: Good luck in whatever you're looking for.
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I didn't realize that Sony wasn't a TV. :shrugs: Good luck in whatever you're looking for.
I want a television and not a display monitor.....using a third party tuner does not enable the full use of the display monitor...both Sony and Vizio screwed up for 2016....again I want a television and this is not a television.........
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I want a television and not a display monitor.....using a third party tuner does not enable the full use of the display monitor...both Sony and Vizio screwed up for 2016....again I want a television and this is not a television.........
The 930d has a coax input for ota or clearqam via cable. It also grabs program guide data.

What definition of television is this not meeting for you?

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I want a television and not a display monitor.....using a third party tuner does not enable the full use of the display monitor...both Sony and Vizio screwed up for 2016....again I want a television and this is not a television.........
The specifications on the Sony website says the x930d has an analog tuner. The Best Buy website says it has a digital tuner. Where are you seeing that it doesn't have a tuner?
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He just keeps pasting this response into this and the vizio forum. I wish he'd get a job and move on.
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The specifications on the Sony website says the x930d has an analog tuner. The Best Buy website says it has a digital tuner. Where are you seeing that it doesn't have a tuner?
Yup the Sony does have a built in tuner... This disinformation is obviously coming from some Sony haters... Really odd.
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Smile 2016 Sony "D" and Samsung "KS"

I joined this thread a few weeks back as I wanted to learn more about the Sony TVs set... The X930D appeared to be a top notch 65" TV set.. My 7 year old 59" Samsung Plasma is going strong, but I wanted 4K and Ultra HD Premium as that new 2016 standard can tell a lot about a TV sets technical capabilities..

As you know the Sony is not able to get the premium certification, but the Samsung KS9500 does get it.. Sony has its Triluminous Display but that technology is several years old,, Now Samsung introduced Quantum Dot Color and on line review of the technology appears to be very encouraging.. I leaned towards the high end Sony as it offered 3D, but since 99% of my viewing is not 3D that is not a deal buster for me,, I do like 3D movies in IMAX,, Heading to see Superman vs Batman in IMAX 3D and OH THAT SOUND! :-)

I just returned from Las Vegas, so thank you Caesars Palace for paying for my new TV set :-) I vistied several of Las Vegas biggest Best Buy showrooms but all I saw was 2015 models.. They said April for sonys to arrive...

And I think I will just sit it out to see how the Sony vs Samsung comparison goes.. The LG OLED were Nice, but the Sony "C" series was impressive, Sony talks about its Quadrant Back-lit technology and at the 2016 CES, Sony demonstrated it 2016 technology against the LG TV sets..

Sony wanted to demonstrate how they have pushed the Quadrature grid technology and Triluminous to the next level.. I think we understand how TV sets have evolved over time... For me I want to make my TV set purchase at least 5 years feature proof,, Will that be the Sony or Samsung?? I think I will just have to see them side by side to understand how each performs..

Here is an interesting link on Quantum Dot Technology ,, Samsung may have a Big Winner here, time will tell...


http://www.wired.com/2015/01/primer-quantum-dot/

Robert in San Diego, Ca. :-)
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The 930d has a coax input for ota or clearqam via cable. It also grabs program guide data.

What definition of television is this not meeting for you?

Somebody told him otherwise in the Vizio thread, making this tv out to be worse than it actually is. It seems like it's been the thing to do lately... It's been a bash on the x930d week here at AVS.
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Somebody told him otherwise in the Vizio thread, making this tv out to be worse than it actually is. It seems like it's been the thing to do lately... It's been a bash on the x930d week here at AVS.
Huh ok. Don't people have anything better to do? I have an exciting update coming soon.
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Huh ok. Don't people have anything better to do? I have an exciting update coming soon.
Sounds intriguing
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I joined this thread a few weeks back as I wanted to learn more about the Sony TVs set... The X930D appeared to be a top notch 65" TV set.. My 7 year old 59" Samsung Plasma is going strong, but I wanted 4K and Ultra HD Premium as that new 2016 standard can tell a lot about a TV sets technical capabilities..

As you know the Sony is not able to get the premium certification, but the Samsung KS9500 does get it.. Sony has its Triluminous Display but that technology is several years old,, Now Samsung introduced Quantum Dot Color and on line review of the technology appears to be very encouraging.. I leaned towards the high end Sony as it offered 3D, but since 99% of my viewing is not 3D that is not a deal buster for me,, I do like 3D movies in IMAX,, Heading to see Superman vs Batman in IMAX 3D and OH THAT SOUND! :-)

I just returned from Las Vegas, so thank you Caesars Palace for paying for my new TV set :-) I vistied several of Las Vegas biggest Best Buy showrooms but all I saw was 2015 models.. They said April for sonys to arrive...

And I think I will just sit it out to see how the Sony vs Samsung comparison goes.. The LG OLED were Nice, but the Sony "C" series was impressive, Sony talks about its Quadrant Back-lit technology and at the 2016 CES, Sony demonstrated it 2016 technology against the LG TV sets..

Sony wanted to demonstrate how they have pushed the Quadrature grid technology and Triluminous to the next level.. I think we understand how TV sets have evolved over time... For me I want to make my TV set purchase at least 5 years feature proof,, Will that be the Sony or Samsung?? I think I will just have to see them side by side to understand how each performs..

Here is an interesting link on Quantum Dot Technology ,, Samsung may have a Big Winner here, time will tell...


http://www.wired.com/2015/01/primer-quantum-dot/

Robert in San Diego, Ca. :-)
I recommend you go buy that Quantum Dot and then when you find out it is not what you have read come back here and get a real set SONY
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I recommend you go buy that Quantum Dot and then when you find out it is not what you have read come back here and get a real set SONY
How's the 940c treating ya? Still upset I couldn't accommodate that beast!
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How's the 940c treating ya? Still upset I couldn't accommodate that beast!
Very well so far, the only issue I have is what I posted a few posts back. I have a EF9500 OLED that I pickup tomorrow, that will tell the story. Wife said I cannot keep both ;(
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Somebody told him otherwise in the Vizio thread, making this tv out to be worse than it actually is. It seems like it's been the thing to do lately... It's been a bash on the x930d week here at AVS.
Actually no, he made that Sony gem up himself in the Vizio thread. Only ragging on Sony in that thread is the amount of blooming for the price in comparison. Which is somewhat valid.

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Wow...then that's a deal breaker for me....I can pick up 161 channels here in Los Angeles with an outside antenna.....I don't need a monitor.....I want a TV and these are not them....I see the new Sony's are the same way....so F Vizio and Sony and the others as well that are just putting out displays and not TV's......I see why these TV's have gotten cheaper and why people are going to the other brands that are real TV's and not just a video display....an outside turner then is what's going to help see a good TV program....geezzzzeeee....I see why people are returning these sets.....next thing they'll want you to buy is one of their digital tuners...
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Very well so far, the only issue I have is what I posted a few posts back. I have a EF9500 OLED that I pickup tomorrow, that will tell the story. Wife said I cannot keep both ;(
I anxiously await your impression. The 940c would be at the limit for what I can fit in my area (center channel would need to be place on top and nearly touch the ceiling) but the price is hard to pass up for the PQ.
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I joined this thread a few weeks back as I wanted to learn more about the Sony TVs set... The X930D appeared to be a top notch 65" TV set.. My 7 year old 59" Samsung Plasma is going strong, but I wanted 4K and Ultra HD Premium as that new 2016 standard can tell a lot about a TV sets technical capabilities..

As you know the Sony is not able to get the premium certification, but the Samsung KS9500 does get it.. Sony has its Triluminous Display but that technology is several years old,, Now Samsung introduced Quantum Dot Color and on line review of the technology appears to be very encouraging.. I leaned towards the high end Sony as it offered 3D, but since 99% of my viewing is not 3D that is not a deal buster for me,, I do like 3D movies in IMAX,, Heading to see Superman vs Batman in IMAX 3D and OH THAT SOUND! :-)

I just returned from Las Vegas, so thank you Caesars Palace for paying for my new TV set :-) I vistied several of Las Vegas biggest Best Buy showrooms but all I saw was 2015 models.. They said April for sonys to arrive...

And I think I will just sit it out to see how the Sony vs Samsung comparison goes.. The LG OLED were Nice, but the Sony "C" series was impressive, Sony talks about its Quadrant Back-lit technology and at the 2016 CES, Sony demonstrated it 2016 technology against the LG TV sets..

Sony wanted to demonstrate how they have pushed the Quadrature grid technology and Triluminous to the next level.. I think we understand how TV sets have evolved over time... For me I want to make my TV set purchase at least 5 years feature proof,, Will that be the Sony or Samsung?? I think I will just have to see them side by side to understand how each performs..

Here is an interesting link on Quantum Dot Technology ,, Samsung may have a Big Winner here, time will tell...


http://www.wired.com/2015/01/primer-quantum-dot/

Robert in San Diego, Ca. :-)


Samsung's edge lit models are going to be major disappointments. In order to keep them thin and reach 1400 peak nits, they changed their led arrangements and now have all the led lightings at the bottom of the screen shining up. This is hurting black levels of dark scenes as well as the widescreen cinema bars which will now be gray and fluctuating with brightness. Samsung also removed the cinema black option because they can't dim those lights anymore so black bars will be impossible unless your backlight is at like 5.
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Curious about the Sony VS Vizio pictures with a Mad Max screen shot. I'm still on vacation so I can't test mine. I'm wondering if others have tried that scene and what they saw. I just can't remember when I watched bits and pieces of it on my set. It looks like local dimming off. Those pics keep getting used as what ripoff crap the 930D is.

Just curious if anyone else has input on that spot in the flick.
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Very well so far, the only issue I have is what I posted a few posts back. I have a EF9500 OLED that I pickup tomorrow, that will tell the story. Wife said I cannot keep both ;(
I've posted my feelings on the ef9500, so you know where I stand. Lol, I'd keep the Sony for sure! The motion, and banding/near black issues are horrendous with that set. You can help the near black issue somewhat by completely crushing blacks on that OLED. Otherwise, gorgeous display. Be sure and take your time with lots of dark material thrown in to evaluate the OLED so that you can make the best decision possible. If you have Amazon prime, and Netflix, I can give you shows/scenes to test with.
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Curious about the Sony VS Vizio pictures with a Mad Max screen shot. I'm still on vacation so I can't test mine. I'm wondering if others have tried that scene and what they saw. I just can't remember when I watched bits and pieces of it on my set. It looks like local dimming off. Those pics keep getting used as what ripoff crap the 930D is.

Just curious if anyone else has input on that spot in the flick.
That was my pic of the 930D, and I can assure you the local dimming was in fact ON.

The 930D is just a major disappointment from a performance and build quality standpoint.
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If I only plan on using the "Smart TV" functionality of my TV for 4K Netflix (I'm going to use my AppleTV for everything else), how avoidable are the Android TV problems?
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Probably Right,,,

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Samsung's edge lit models are going to be major disappointments. In order to keep them thin and reach 1400 peak nits, they changed their led arrangements and now have all the led lightings at the bottom of the screen shining up. This is hurting black levels of dark scenes as well as the widescreen cinema bars which will now be gray and fluctuating with brightness. Samsung also removed the cinema black option because they can't dim those lights anymore so black bars will be impossible unless your backlight is at like 5.
I think we just need to read the reviews and first hand trials in April when they are readily available... You would think Samsung Engineers would get it right this time??
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I've had my 65-inch X930D for about a week now, and unlike some others apparently, I am loving it. I changed over from a Panasonic plasma...not sure what the model was, but it was like 3 or 4 years old. AT least to me the Sony seems like it has darker blacks, and shadow detail in general is way better than the Panasonic. In addition, the colors seem to pop much more. There is a new Apple commercial staring the Cookie Monster, and his blue fur looks beautiful.

In addition I love the convenience of streaming 4K content right from the built in Amazon and Netflix apps.

After reading this form I checked to see if my set was bent like some others and it does not seem to be. There might be a little clouding but I don't notice it at all when watching stuff. If I pause on a white screen, then maybe.

Anyhow, it might not be the perfect set, but I am happy with it, and it'll definitely hold me over until OLED sets mature a little more. Coming from plasma I'm a little gun shy of a TV that might burn in, and also fade with time. Even with anti burn in technology, my Panasonic had an annoying Dish Network logo burned it the top right corner.
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Calibration update and suggested settings (4/8/16)

This TV does something different with a 1080p60 rgb444 signal than it does with a 2160p60 rgb444 signal.

As it turns out, 1080p60 rgb444 gives almost perfect color accuracy with very little adjustment.
2160p60 rgb444 on the other hand gives poor results. 2160p ycc gives results similar to the 1080p measurements.

As far as I can tell, for 4k sources it is probably best to make sure your device is outputting in Ycc mode and not RGB, I am using ycc422 10bit on my nvidia gtx950.

Baseline 1080p & 2160p calibration
Picture Mode Custom
Brightness 15 (100nits) or 30 (150nits)
Color 52
Light Sensor Off

Advanced Settings
-Brightness
Brightness 15 (100nits) or 30 (150nits)
Contrast 95
Gamma -2
Black level 50
Black Adjust Off
Adv. Contrast Enhancer Off
Auto Local Dimming Medium
XDR Off

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Color 52
Hue 0
Color Temp Expert 1
Color Space Auto
Live Color Off

Adv Color Temperature
R Gain Max
G Gain -3
B Gain -4
R Bias 1
G Bias 0
B Bias 2

-Clarity
Sharpness 50
Reality Creation Off
Noise Reduction Off

-Motion
Motionflow Clear (or TrueCinema. If Truecinema, then set brightness to between 0 and 5 for around 100nits output)
Cinemotion Off


HDR Calibration
HDR calibration is the same as above, except for Motionflow I use True Cinema instead of Clear. Reason being that Clear drops light output quite a lot and the point of HDR is a really bright screen. I also am trying Cinemotion set to low.

The only setting to really change around is Brightness, which determines total light output. I measured a few things in HDR mode for varying brightness settings:
1 - worst case black level, 2% window with white surround
2 - 100% white full field, worst case white brightness
3 - Best case white brightness, 2% window surrounded by black



Subjectively, I think that Brightness at 50/max is a little intense. Below around 10-15 you really lose the HDR effect


Calibration measurements
This section has a lot of measurements. For anyone unfamiliar with what the numbers and charts mean, this is an excellent result. Especially since I only did a 2pt white balance calibration. Given the results I may go back and do a full 10pt calibration for my own edification, but the difference in picture quality would probably not be observable. The color accuracy results are astounding for a TV with no color controls.
Spoiler!


Relation between brightness and light output & impact of Motionflow:Clear




Spectral distribution

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If I only plan on using the "Smart TV" functionality of my TV for 4K Netflix (I'm going to use my AppleTV for everything else), how avoidable are the Android TV problems?
Pretty avoidable, its mostly just a shame how bad it is compared to lg webos. the plex client is great however.
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That was my pic of the 930D, and I can assure you the local dimming was in fact ON.

The 930D is just a major disappointment from a performance and build quality standpoint.
I kinda thought so. I'm not to inclined to take your pic as a shut and dry case. You really seem to have an axe to grind and kindergarten playground responses so thanks but no thanks.

I will check mine out when I can. Anyone one else?
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I kinda thought so. I'm not to inclined to take your pic as a shut and dry case. You really seem to have an axe to grind and kindergarten playground responses so thanks but no thanks.

I will check mine out when I can. Anyone one else?


I think a Sony TV fell on Alexander's head when he was a small boy.
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Pretty avoidable, its mostly just a shame how bad it is compared to lg webos. the plex client is great however.
Honestly, TV OSes don't make sense to me.

I fully expect a TV OS to stop receive updates after 2 or so years, at which point, I don't intend to have it connected to the Internet for security reasons alone.
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Honestly, TV OSes don't make sense to me.

I fully expect a TV OS to stop receive updates after 2 or so years, at which point, I don't intend to have it connected to the Internet for security reasons alone.
i hear you, when I buy any electronics from any company not named Apple I expect zero software support/updates going forward.
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I think we just need to read the reviews and first hand trials in April when they are readily available... You would think Samsung Engineers would get it right this time??

Theres now 2 first hand reviews from Forbes and HDTV test, both say the same exact thing. Bright room viewing and full screen brightness scenes will look great but it stops there.


There have been complaints about the 930d but the samsungs will be much worse with black uniformity.
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Pretty avoidable, its mostly just a shame how bad it is compared to lg webos. the plex client is great however.
I'd agree 100% about webOs! That was one of my favorite experiences with the ef9500.
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