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Only thing keeping me from ordering this is the prospect of having to ship it back to Vizio should a problem arise. I don't want to pay for an extended warranty and then pay $50 to ship it some place.

Ideally this set would be out at Costco soon. Any ideas when that might happen?

What are the extended warranty options at Best Buy? Do they allow you to return in-store?
Best Buy does for 15 days after that you are **** out of luck. Extended warranties through Best Buy also allow you to return instore but they are about 300 percent higher in cost than Costco. For example a Costco warranty for 3 years or total 5 years will be something like 89 bucks on a TV under 2000 with Best Buy it could be something like 400-500 for a 1999 TV. Its dynamic.
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I have definitive experience with Vizio and exchanges. I purchased at Costco. I had a 90 day return window. I had the option to exchange locally or to use Vizio for support. Given I purchased the M80, local stock was limited so I opted for Vizio direct support. They authorized a replacement twice and it shipped directly to my home and installed. No complaints. Both events had to do with panel discoloration and DSE. I ended up with an acceptable panel.

If you buy a 65" or smaller, local inventory should be good most of the time and a return is manageable. Costco's 90 day window is tough to beat. If you're Rewards Elite at BB, you get 45 days and that's not bad either. Whether Costco gets the P series is questionable. I suspect the P will be BB and the M will be Costco. The "R is dead, long live the R".
Costco could carry the P, they had the Samsung 8500 and the 6 series so its not out of the realm for them to get the P series. I believe they carried the P back in 2014. No P for 2015.
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Costco could carry the P, they had the Samsung 8500 and the 6 series so its not out of the realm for them to get the P series. I believe they carried the P back in 2014. No P for 2015.
I don't have any inside track on this but based on popular retailing practices, it wouldn't surprise me that both BB and Costco are looking for unique products. Costco is a terrible place to evaluate a TV. BB is ok at best. I would think most TV's at Costco are pre-selected based on internet info or totally impulse/price buys. There is occasionally a baseline of knowledge at BB (here come the rants).

I hope both BB and Costco get both lines. I'd rank Costco overall a better option as Vizio supports their sales very well and the return window is exceptional.

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I have definitive experience with Vizio and exchanges. I purchased at Costco. I had a 90 day return window. I had the option to exchange locally or to use Vizio for support. Given I purchased the M80, local stock was limited so I opted for Vizio direct support. They authorized a replacement twice and it shipped directly to my home and installed. No complaints. Both events had to do with panel discoloration and DSE. I ended up with an acceptable panel.

If you buy a 65" or smaller, local inventory should be good most of the time and a return is manageable. Costco's 90 day window is tough to beat. If you're Rewards Elite at BB, you get 45 days and that's not bad either. Whether Costco gets the P series is questionable. I suspect the P will be BB and the M will be Costco. The "R is dead, long live the R".
How did you ship back the old 80 to Vizio, though?
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How did you ship back the old 80 to Vizio, though?
Vizio picks up the old one when they deliver the new one. It's dialed in for Costco purchases.

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why vizio don't bring

DP 1.4 ?

is contains processing from 6 or 8 BIT to 10 BIT ?

do they have 4:4:4 ? 8 BIT or 10BIT ?

how the tv PROCESS 720P to 4K ?
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why vizio don't bring



DP 1.4 ?



is contains processing from 6 or 8 BIT to 10 BIT ?



do they have 4:4:4 ? 8 BIT or 10BIT ?



how the tv PROCESS 720P to 4K ?

Who does? I haven't seen any manufacturer with DP1.4. If you want that you probably want to stick to a computer monitor no?


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I just bought a JS9500. So I'm still within my return window. Just saw the new Vizio P series. On paper it looks like a no brainier to swap out with. Am I missing anything? It's easy to get lost in specs. What would I loose from the trade?

400 nits of peak luminance

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With FALD, how much of a difference will there be with the black level between IPS and VA? If the zones are not lit, will you still see a difference in the black level?

For some there was a visible difference and they preferred the VA panel. The only real way to know if it acceptable to you is to see both


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400 nits of peak luminance

I keep seeing that the Vizio can hit higher full screen white brightness but now partial screen. I assume that means the js9500 will be better for most things because a full bright white screen is fairly rare.

I wish we knew if Dolby vision was going to be a thing or not.
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I'm very curious to see what the ratio is going to be for the 55" IPS version of the P series. Better angle is great but not at the expense of the contrast or blacks, which might not be as bad as I'm thinking d/t FALD but as for HDR and stuff IPS will show its limits.
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400 nits of peak luminance

The JS9500 hits 1000 nits at full screen? I thought that was peak highlight. We only know the Full Screen brightness of the Vizio atm, not the "peak highlight".


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For some there was a visible difference and they preferred the VA panel. The only real way to know if it acceptable to you is to see both


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The actual panel itself is a different color I believe. When a screen goes "black" it's actually grey because that's the color of an IPS panel.
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400 nits of peak luminance
This would imply that the Vizio P's peak nit is the same as its full screen peak?


Full Screen White Vizio P = 600 Nit
Peak 1% White Vizio P = ???
Full Screen White JS9500 = 380 Nit
Peak 1% JS9500 = 1000 Nit




Why would Vizio's full screen white be the same as its 1%? Seems strange as no other TV manufacturer does this with HDR.
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It would only be the same if it doesn't have local dimming. I imagine Vizio peak brightness will be higher than 1000 nits in a 2% window. Will be interesting to see by how much though.
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I've never used any xxx-cast device, so excuse me if this is a novice question.

Often I will browse say Netflix or Hulu with my family and look thru the menus together for something to watch.

Will we all now have to look thru the tablet or will the tablet display be mirrored on the display when nothing else is actively being displayed?
Good question. Technically, I don't think there is a "display not actively showing anything" mode. There may be times when it isn't receiving a signal, but it's always displaying whatever it is receiving from whatever source is selected. That said, as long as the app you are using to browse for content supports screen mirroring, you should be able to enable that and allow others to participate in the browsing experience by looking at the TV rather than huddling around you to look at the tablet.

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Oh and my biggest issue with removing the tuner isn't one of the cost of adding an external tuner, but now having to use a separate tuner remote. Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of giving us the tablet remote in the first place?
Decent external tuners can be controlled via. an Android/IOS app, which means you could use the tablet to control that too (and get multiple tuner support and DVR functionality to boot). It will likely mean swapping from one app to another. In a perfect world, your main AV/automation control app would have "activity buttons" and selecting the "Watch SmartCast" activity would launch the SmartCast app, which would then have a "Return to main AV/automation control app" button. Same goes for the "Watch TiVo (or whatever OTA tuner you use)" activity. That way you don't have to manually tab back and forth between the proper apps. It may be a while before we see a proper implementation of that functionality, though.

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Who does? I haven't seen any manufacturer with DP1.4. If you want that you probably want to stick to a computer monitor no?


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Panasonic will bring DP 1.3 this year
DP1.4 / 1.3 can have 12 bit 4:4:4
16bit 4:2:2

See P3 without 12 BIT this joke
because there is no color depth

i see tv in my Computer and converts the image in real time to 4: 4: 4 TV can have 10 or 12 bit
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This would imply that the Vizio P's peak nit is the same as its full screen peak?


Full Screen White Vizio P = 600 Nit
Peak 1% White Vizio P = ???
Full Screen White JS9500 = 380 Nit
Peak 1% JS9500 = 1000 Nit




Why would Vizio's full screen white be the same as its 1%? Seems strange as no other TV manufacturer does this with HDR.

If you go to rtings.com and look at the previous vizios, their peak 2% was not much higher than the 50% windows. It could be a little different with the vizio P, but im expecting this to be the only actual drawback of this tv but not a deal breaker.
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If you go to rtings.com and look at the previous vizios, their peak 2% was not much higher than the 50% windows. It could be a little different with the vizio P, but im expecting this to be the only actual drawback of this tv but not a deal breaker.
Why would they be? None of them were HDR. Almost none of the non-HDR tvs from any manufacturer have different peaks except for OLED because of ABL.
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If you go to rtings.com and look at the previous vizios, their peak 2% was not much higher than the 50% windows. It could be a little different with the vizio P, but im expecting this to be the only actual drawback of this tv but not a deal breaker.
that true but they were not HDR compatible either.

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Yes I understand this. But we're not discussing the width of the stand on the 940C. We're discussing how the stand width is not adjustable on the Vizio P series.


To which my response is - No, it's not adjustable on the Vizio P series. However, you're saving $1,000+ over the 940C, so there's no reason to complain when you can shell out an additional $50 to purchase a narrow third party stand to place the Vizio on.
Where might one find such a stand?
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If you go to rtings.com and look at the previous vizios, their peak 2% was not much higher than the 50% windows. It could be a little different with the vizio P, but im expecting this to be the only actual drawback of this tv but not a deal breaker.
David Katzmaier at CNET is a huge Vizio fan. Let's see what he has to say about them once he's had a chance to do a full review. My concern is, how fast does your WiFi have to be in order for this "casting" thing to work without buffering at UHD resolution?
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Why would they be? None of them were HDR. Almost none of the non-HDR tvs from any manufacturer have different peaks except for OLED because of ABL.
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that true but they were not HDR compatible either.

The Vizio Reference series maxes around 800 nits, the P series will not be brighter than that.
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Where might one find such a stand?
Perhaps he means something like this? The 65" version would about fit on it, I think:

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/40105340/
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The Vizio Reference series maxes around 800 nits, the P series will not be brighter than that.
Time will tell (well rtings will )...but the R series has been in development for HOW LONG??? Not saying your wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if you were.

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David Katzmaier at CNET is a huge Vizio fan. Let's see what he has to say about them once he's had a chance to do a full review. My concern is, how fast does your WiFi have to be in order for this "casting" thing to work without buffering at UHD resolution?

You should have AC, but it has more to do with your ISP speed and the speed between your are location and the source of the files you are streaming.

The casting feature itself is more like a "remote" the actual streaming/processing/etc is done on the TV.


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The Vizio Reference series maxes around 800 nits, the P series will not be brighter than that.
I don't think there are any citations for R series peak highlight brightness though since the unit is so rare, which I noted earlier.
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I keep seeing that the Vizio can hit higher full screen white brightness but now partial screen. I assume that means the js9500 will be better for most things because a full bright white screen is fairly rare.

I wish we knew if Dolby vision was going to be a thing or not.
It's certainly a "thing" with some streaming content providers. But it isn't mandatory on UHD Blu-Rays, and including it may require the larger capacity discs. According to a report I read recently, no disc duplicator has so far upgraded their facility to enable the manufacture of such discs. So who knows...
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Looks like I may the Samsung 65JS9500 replacement if the reviews for this TV are encouraging. I was all set to jump on the 2016 LG OLED 65G6P train, but the money that could be saved on the Vizio is very encouraging.

I prefer Ethernet over WiFi and was wondering how the hand off from the tablet to TV would work. If the tablet finds the content and sends the signal (link) to the TV, does that mean the TV will find that source single and stream over an Ethernet connection?
I wonder if Scott Wilkinson can ask Vizio this question.

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