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Yeah, I've gone through 10 TVs in the past 5 years. I bought 3 Panasonic plasmas at the end of their run. I'm shocked she hasn't had a breakdown.
No worries. She's just biding her time till she asks for a substantial upgrade to her ring.
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True, but you are casting which is a little more taxing than if the apps were built in. Also, a lot of people may hardwire and have consistent speeds. For example, I get 1GBPS hardwired and around 220mbps streaming. Someone with a 30mbps may only get 10mbps over wifi.


That is not true. There is no inherent, relative, bandwidth reduction compared to the download speed you get from your ISP. You Wi-Fi bandwidth is wholly limited by which wireless router you have, how many wireless devices you have connected to it, and how much interference there is in your area. So, a high end 802.11 ac wireless router that has at theoretical download limit of 1300 mbps can certainly max out a 30 mbps download connection from your ISP.


Smallnetbuilder.com has lots of excellent coverage on wireless routers, but a good place to start is with this article: http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/basic...eless-coverage
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No worries. She's just biding her time till she asks for a substantial upgrade to her ring.
I think you are right. She does seem to barter with LV purses. Lucky for me that's not nearly equivalent to the money I've wasted on TVs. Who knows, maybe this P series will last me a few years?
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Yeah, I've gone through 10 TVs in the past 5 years. I bought 3 Panasonic plasmas at the end of their run. I'm shocked she hasn't had a breakdown.
I still have a TC-P42U1 that I bought in early 2009 (it was a 2008 model I believe). I got it for $480! The contrast is definitely not what it once was, but wow, what an excellent TV. The bezel is huge though, even compared to some of the LCDs that were available at the time and definitely compared to current LED lit sets. I think this P-series is the first tv that is reasonably priced that offers a whole package that is a significant upgrade over what plasmas used to.


My P55-C1 is getting delivered tomorrow at 8 am.... So excited.
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ya, I agree I was just sharing my frustration. Todays streamed UHD is basically high quality 1080p.

I think I'm ready and slowly the cable infrastructure is getting there. Anyone with 100Mbit or better plan should be OK. But ya data caps...

Dear lord how I envy you.

I was going to say in my previous post that I think the driving factor for when we get proper UHD streaming would be based on the deployment rate of Google Fiber.

Let me just say that I hate your city, because my city (memphis) was in the running to get that first drop of GF. You stole my soul.
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That is not true. There is no inherent, relative, bandwidth reduction compared to the download speed you get from your ISP. You Wi-Fi bandwidth is wholly limited by which wireless router you have, how many wireless devices you have connected to it, and how much interference there is in your area. So, a high end 802.11 ac wireless router that has at theoretical download limit of 1300 mbps can certainly max out a 30 mbps download connection from your ISP.


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There's more to the router discussion than that.

I have a 200mbps connection from Time Warner. I also have the Netgear R6400 (TheWirecutter's top pick) router. That router easily hits 200mbps - but only while on 5ghz. The 5ghz network has very limited range. Most places in my house cap out around 60mbps on the large range 2.4ghz network. Of course, I have ethernet runs to most places I need it.
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I still have a TC-P42U1 that I bought in early 2009 (it was a 2008 model I believe). I got it for $480! The contrast is definitely not what it once was, but wow, what an excellent TV. The bezel is huge though, even compared to some of the LCDs that were available at the time and definitely compared to current LED lit sets. I think this P-series is the first tv that is reasonably priced that offers a whole package that is a significant upgrade over what plasmas used to.


My P55-C1 is getting delivered tomorrow at 8 am.... So excited.
You think that's bad? I'm going to be upgrading from the Panasonic TH-42px6. That's a 720p plasma with an even uglier bezel!

Edit: I just looked it up. It's from 2006. So my wife doesn't get to say **** about me buying the P65.
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So let me sum everything I've read up to this point in this thread concerning the few limitations of this new series.


+ HDR10, the open source version of HDR (of which the TV has Dolby Vision [DV] which is a branded version of HDR), will be updated approximately 3 months from now
+ There is no Amazon app on the tablet remote, because of varying reasons, but mainly the silly feud between Amazon and Google
+ In order to get Amazon's 4K library for this TV, the best bet is the Roku 4 which streams 4K at 60 fps
+ The Roku 4, however, does not stream in HDR for any 4K content
+ To get 4K HDR content, you need one of the UHD players like the Samsung model that is on the market and will probably get some updates for HDR soon
+ If you want UHD DV (HDR), you need to wait till later in the year when more UHD Blu-Ray models will be coming out

Sound about right?
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Nobody gets to complain about missing Amazon content if I can't complain about missing the OTA tuner. I can just pick up an external tuner for $40 on Amazon? You can just pick up an Amazon Fire for about the same.
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Nobody gets to complain about missing Amazon content if I can't complain about missing the OTA tuner. I can just pick up an external tuner for $40 on Amazon? You can just pick up an Amazon Fire for about the same.
This is not the same at all.


Currently there's NO way to access Amazon HDR on the Vizio P. You can get Amazon regular HD just by screen casting from the tablet. Getting Amazon isn't the issue. Getting Amazon HDR is the issue, and it's impossible to view on the Vizio P as of today.
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This reminds me of the home buyer on HGTV that is standing inside a true gem of a home, but it doesn't have a refrigerator, and he says, with a long sigh, "I don't know about this one, it doesn't have a refrigerator." Silly.
No kidding I mounted my 65 on the wall. The mount took way less time to mount than running all the cables inside the channels. However if I had to do it all over again walmart sells tons of mounts that are integrated into the stand for around 200 dollars. Not to mention you can buy a Monoprice mount for 35 bucks and get it mounted from a local company for probably 150.
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So...

Just to sum up the thread thus far:

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After the initial impressions some of the users posted, I am evenmoreso.

My HLT5687SAX has so many white dots on it, that it feels like I'm always watching an outerspace movie.
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The whole Amazon thing is still puzzling to me. Is this not a big deal to anyone else? Amazon has some great HDR content (visually speaking) that is pretty much blocked at this point.
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Not true...the HDMI ARC spec supports SPDIF and SPDIF only...if it can't pass via SPDIF then it can't pass via ARC. Basically ARC was created as an afterthought using the two unused conductors in the cable/connector...it gives the same audio as coax/optical.
I don't know where you get your information, but I get mine from the HDMI 1.4b specification (Supplement 2, HEAC), as well as experience with actual hardware, including HDMI analyzers from Astro and Audio Precision.

There are a few TVs that I know to support passing Dolby Digital Plus over ARC, such as the Vizio R series, the Sony KDL-32W600D and some (maybe all) of the new Insignia and TCL RokuTVs.
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I've got some ambient light now but here's a pic...

I can see blooming on the pause symbol and around the titles. How's the near blacks? Can you post some pics of the 1%, 5%, and 100% slides?
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The whole Amazon thing is still puzzling to me. Is this not a big deal to anyone else? Amazon has some great HDR content (visually speaking) that is pretty much blocked at this point.
Agreed, but I hold faith that eventually Amazon will update their Amazon Fire TV to support HDR.
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I don't know where you get your information, but I get mine from the HDMI 1.4b specification (Supplement 2, HEAC), as well as experience with actual hardware, including HDMI analyzers from Astro and Audio Precision.

There are a few TVs that I know to support passing Dolby Digital Plus over ARC, such as the Vizio R series, the Sony KDL-32W600D and some (maybe all) of the new Insignia and TCL RokuTVs.

I took a read through the 2016 p-series manual. It mentions bitstream and PCM as supported audio out over HDMI ARC. Its on page 51.


Digital Audio Out - Changes the type of processing for digital audio out and HDMI ARC output when connected to a home theater audio system. Select PCM or Bitstream.
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The whole Amazon thing is still puzzling to me. Is this not a big deal to anyone else? Amazon has some great HDR content (visually speaking) that is pretty much blocked at this point.
Nope, if they want to withhold proper android/iOS support to push their own FireTV (which I will never buy), screw'em. I will gladly get my content from somewhere else. Hopefully not having a presence on Ameria's number 1 selling TV brand will force them to drop their BS.
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I can see blooming on the pause symbol and around the titles. How's the near blacks? Can you post some pics of the 1%, 5%, and 100% slides?
That's a circle design element...

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I took a read through the 2016 p-series manual. It mentions bitstream and PCM as supported audio out over HDMI ARC. Its on page 51.


Digital Audio Out - Changes the type of processing for digital audio out and HDMI ARC output when connected to a home theater audio system. Select PCM or Bitstream.
This is the next thing I'm trying...

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I can see blooming on the pause symbol and around the titles. How's the near blacks? Can you post some pics of the 1%, 5%, and 100% slides?

Pretty sure the circle around the pause symbol IS the pause button.
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This is the next thing I'm trying...
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I took a read through the 2016 p-series manual. It mentions bitstream and PCM as supported audio out over HDMI ARC. Its on page 51.


Digital Audio Out - Changes the type of processing for digital audio out and HDMI ARC output when connected to a home theater audio system. Select PCM or Bitstream.
Sadly, Scott got confirmation from Vizio that this P series only supports Dolby Digital bitstreams on ARC, not DD+.
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I can see blooming on the pause symbol and around the titles. How's the near blacks? Can you post some pics of the 1%, 5%, and 100% slides?
That's a circle design element...
Look to the right of the circle, there is a TINY bit of bloom (idk if that's what ricebrah was referring too), also a little around the text, but honestly that's to be expected. It's about as good as you are going to get without a large bump in zones or a new type of LCD with a higher native contrast.
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Look to the right of the circle, there is a TINY bit of bloom (idk if that's what ricebrah was referring too), also a little around the text, but honestly that's to be expected. It's about as good as you are going to get without a large bump in zones or a new type of LCD with a higher native contrast.


Pictures of oleds do the same thing.
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What, still no owner's thread? What's taking you guys so long, don't want the glory of being the "Thread Starter"?
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So let me sum everything I've read up to this point in this thread concerning the few limitations of this new series.


+ HDR10, the open source version of HDR (of which the TV has Dolby Vision [DV] which is a branded version of HDR), will be updated approximately 3 months from now
+ There is no Amazon app on the tablet remote, because of varying reasons, but mainly the silly feud between Amazon and Google
+ In order to get Amazon's 4K library for this TV, the best bet is the Roku 4 which streams 4K at 60 fps
+ The Roku 4, however, does not stream in HDR for any 4K content
+ To get 4K HDR content, you need one of the UHD players like the Samsung model that is on the market and will probably get some updates for HDR soon
+ If you want UHD DV (HDR), you need to wait till later in the year when more UHD Blu-Ray models will be coming out

Sound about right?
Really good list. I'll add both Netflix and Vudu currently stream in DV HDR, and the vizio supports both.
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This is the next thing I'm trying...
Do you happen to have a gaming PC to try out 4k/60 4:4:4 input?
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What, still no owner's thread? What's taking you guys so long, don't want the glory of being the "Thread Starter"?
Well I paid for mine but it's not in hand yet, so I'm passing that honor on to someone else =p

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Look to the right of the circle, there is a TINY bit of bloom (idk if that's what ricebrah was referring too), also a little around the text, but honestly that's to be expected. It's about as good as you are going to get without a large bump in zones or a new type of LCD with a higher native contrast.
Yup, nailed it.


One thing to keep in mind too is that the pic was taken at a pretty wide vertical angle which makes the blooming more apparent and it still looks very very good. Really comfortable with cancelling my Sony 940C order for the vizio P.
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