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I am going to have to decide between the 65" P and the 70" M. Tough choice.


For longevity a 65P from the specs I saw.....if you don't care about WCG, possibly missing HDR10 and "older" HDMI ports (only one 2.0, the rest 1.4), half the zones then the decision becomes "easier" personally I'd take the 65P as that set will "last longer". It all really depends on how long you plan to keep the set before upgrading.
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I am going to have to decide between the 65" P and the 70" M. Tough choice.
P might be more future proof with its utltra color spectrum or whatever.
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I am going to have to decide between the 65" P and the 70" M. Tough choice.
75" P vs 80" M for me

I definitely prefer the darker frame color of the M!
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Is 1.7 billion colors enough for WCG?...
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Anyone have a feel for when the M series will really be available now that they are listed on Vizio.com, but still not available from them direct.

I'm interested in the 50" even though the 43" would have been fine. No option for the 43" with the new models of course.

My need is fairly immediate as I need to return a Sony before my 30 day return window at BB.

Might they become available on Amazon or BB ahead of Vizio.com?

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The only question on my mind is how long will us Canadians have to wait. I did notice something else on the website when looking at the M series. It looks like the M series isn't exclusive to Best Buy like the P is, listing Best Buy, Costco, Walmart, and a few lesser resellers. Could just be an oversight though.

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For longevity a 65P from the specs I saw.....if you don't care about WCG, possibly missing HDR10 and "older" HDMI ports (only one 2.0, the rest 1.4), half the zones then the decision becomes "easier" personally I'd take the 65P as that set will "last longer". It all really depends on how long you plan to keep the set before upgrading.
The P also has 600 nits of brightness compared to 400 nits on the M, according to wired.com. Not sure what sizes they were looking at. I hadn't heard that before, and 200 nits is not nothing when you start at the same black level.

http://www.wired.com/2016/04/vizio-4k-hdr-tvs-cheap/
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Is 1.7 billion colors enough for WCG?...


Remember just because the panel is rated for x amount of colors has no bearing on the processing of the TV. You can have a 10 bit panel with 8 bit processing. Ignore he "colors" as that's just a marketing spec. I'm guessing that the M series is 10 bit panel, with 8 bit processing (as it was before).
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Is 1.7 billion colors enough for WCG?...
I saw that under the specs and I think it verifies it's an 8 bit panel since last year's model had a similar 1.06 billion colors. If it were a 10 bit, there would be a HUGE increase, wouldn't it? Too bad... I was happy to see the new M series 55" is a VA panel, not an IPS, but I don't think I'll be get without HDR10 capability...
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Remember just because the panel is rated for x amount of colors has no bearing on the processing of the TV. You can have a 10 bit panel with 8 bit processing. Ignore he "colors" as that's just a marketing spec. I'm guessing that the M series is 10 bit panel, with 8 bit processing (as it was before).
Huh. That gives me hope!
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What, no 75" 2016 M??
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Remember just because the panel is rated for x amount of colors has no bearing on the processing of the TV. You can have a 10 bit panel with 8 bit processing. Ignore he "colors" as that's just a marketing spec. I'm guessing that the M series is 10 bit panel, with 8 bit processing (as it was before).
Wait. I just re-read your post. Does HDR10 need BOTH a 10 bit panel AND 10 bit processing, or would a 10 bit panel with 8 bit processing also work? Is there a better thread that addresses this?
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I saw that under the specs and I think it verifies it's an 8 bit panel since last year's model had a similar 1.06 billion colors. If it were a 10 bit, there would be a HUGE increase, wouldn't it? Too bad... I was happy to see the new M series 55" is a VA panel, not an IPS, but I don't think I'll be get without HDR10 capability...
I thought last years M series 55" was an IPS? It shows in the tech as VA.
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if you want an 80" M I expect you will be able to get one for 4 grand.
Nailed it.

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1080P for E-sizes TV's under 50".
Both 1080p and 4K models. I may get a 48" 4K but because it has other specs that are better too. Eg. More dimming zones and higher listed contrast. Also has more HDMI ports I think, although my receiver already has 6 HDMI 2.0a ports.

It is under 43" wide, which is the internal size of my TV cabinet.

I was hoping for a 48" M or P but no such luck.

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I just hope there is a 70" version of the M, and it is less than US $2000. 70-75" seems ideal for my setup, but 70" should be considerably cheaper than 75".

I'd prefer to have both Dolby Vision and HDR10 but practically all I need is DV in the immediate future. I want 4K Netflix, which uses DV. I'll eventually likely buy UHD Blu-ray which uses HDR10, but I'm not buying that right away.
No HDR10 would be a downer, even though they hit that $2000 price point for the 70".

I won't buy the 75" P for cost reasons but I'm not sure I'll buy an HDR10-less M either. Or maybe I will indeed get the latter since $2000 is a decent price regardless and I'd watch more 4K Netflix than UHD Blu-ray.

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Wait. I just re-read your post. Does HDR10 need BOTH a 10 bit panel AND 10 bit processing, or would a 10 bit panel with 8 bit processing also work? Is there a better thread that addresses this?


You need HDMI 2.0(a) 1st and the M series does not appear to be getting this update. You would WANT the entire chain to be 10bit, you may be able to "fudge" things however. Basically it appears this is the same as a 2015 M, but with DV, double the zones, no tuner and a tablet remote. They might trickle down HDR10 to the M series next year. If watching UHDBR or HDR10 is important to someone, I would hold off purchasing until something is said by Vizio. Looking at panel specs (especially posted on the websites) can be misleading. The lack of WCG also is something that is needed, and the M series seems to lack that. Fortunately DV can be seen by 8bit panels/processing due to its dynamic nature.
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No kidding. All I have space for is the 43". Even though it looks like the new Ms are about $200 than the old Ms I would have paid $700 for a new M43 with those features. The E series is a joke to replace the 43", only 10 zones! Now I have to decide on a 2015 M43 with FALD or a edge lit 43" TV with HDR and a better color.
Been waiting on a 43" 4K M that would do 4:4:4 60hz for a monitor only (no TV use). So, I might try out the 2016 43" 4K E since the specs say it supports "600MHz pixel clock rate: [email protected], 4:4:4, 8-bit | [email protected], 4:2:2, 12-bit [email protected], 4:2:0, 12-bit". Need it at Best Buy so I can return if it doesn't pan out.
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You need HDMI 2.0(a) 1st and the M series does not appear to be getting this update. You would WANT the entire chain to be 10bit, you may be able to "fudge" things however. Basically it appears this is the same as a 2015 M, but with DV, double the zones, no tuner and a tablet remote. They might trickle down HDR10 to the M series next year. If watching UHDBR or HDR10 is important to someone, I would hold off purchasing until something is said by Vizio. Looking at panel specs (especially posted on the websites) can be misleading. The lack of WCG also is something that is needed, and the M series seems to lack that. Fortunately DV can be seen by 8bit panels/processing due to its dynamic nature.
Interesting... Yeah, I won't be buying until I know for certain. As you said, it doesn't "appear" that the M series will be getting the update, and it also "seems" to be lacking wide color gamut. I'll need to know for sure before I plunk down any cash on the new TV.
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Interesting... Yeah, I won't be buying until I know for certain. As you said, it doesn't "appear" that the M series will be getting the update, and it also "seems" to be lacking wide color gamut. I'll need to know for sure before I plunk down any cash on the new TV.
Katzmaier over at cnet thinks the M will get the update. That leaves an open issue of how good HDR10 content will look on it, especially if it is an 8 bit panel with 8 bit processing. Apparently if updated it could display the content, just not as well as a full 10 bit display. The HDR10 camp has a bit of a marketing issue on their hands because HDR10 may not look great on some lesser displays, and in an effort to draw a line between these lesser displays and the "true" 10 bit as God and the standard setting body intended, they have come out with "Premium Certified" or something to distinguish the two.
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You need HDMI 2.0(a) 1st and the M series does not appear to be getting this update. You would WANT the entire chain to be 10bit, you may be able to "fudge" things however. Basically it appears this is the same as a 2015 M, but with DV, double the zones, no tuner and a tablet remote. They might trickle down HDR10 to the M series next year. If watching UHDBR or HDR10 is important to someone, I would hold off purchasing until something is said by Vizio. Looking at panel specs (especially posted on the websites) can be misleading. The lack of WCG also is something that is needed, and the M series seems to lack that. Fortunately DV can be seen by 8bit panels/processing due to its dynamic nature.
so there's no tv tuner. how am i going to watch cable tv?
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so there's no tv tuner. how am i going to watch cable tv?
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Been waiting on a 43" 4K M that would do 4:4:4 60hz for a monitor only (no TV use). So, I might try out the 2016 43" 4K E since the specs say it supports "600MHz pixel clock rate: [email protected], 4:4:4, 8-bit | [email protected], 4:2:2, 12-bit [email protected], 4:2:0, 12-bit". Need it at Best Buy so I can return if it doesn't pan out.
Oh, that is good news for the 43" E being monitor-friendly!

Where did you get those specs from?

EDIT: Never mind, I found them on the product page.

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so there's no tv tuner. how am i going to watch cable tv?


If you don't have a cable box you'd need to get one (I know many require one now). If you have one there is nothing different. The no tuner mainly affects those that use OTA without an intermediate device to serve the signal.
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vizio m series 2016 confirmed with hdr10 and dolby vision.
http://televisions.reviewed.com/news...ampaign=collab
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vizio m series 2016 confirmed with hdr10 and dolby vision.
http://televisions.reviewed.com/news...ampaign=collab
Can someone point me to a good source to learn about these new features, besides advertising hype?
I just ordered a 2015 M-series and and wondering if I should have waited.
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Can someone point me to a good source to learn about these new features, besides advertising hype?
I just ordered a 2015 M-series and and wondering if I should have waited.
you would wait for 2016 model... 64 area of local dimming hdr10 and dolby vision.
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you would wait for 2016 model... 64 area of local dimming hdr10 and dolby vision.
Yes, I know what doubling the number of zones means. I know that more is better, but reviewers said that made little difference between the P and M series in 2015 models so I'm not too concerned about that.
What I am wondering is, how much will I miss not getting HDR10 and Dolby Vision?

Thanks for the response!
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I ran across an article yesterday discussing the new M Series Vizio, and I think this might be the TV I've been waiting for. The whole tablet remote and the screen casting has me confused though. This TV will be able to play content from other sources besides being able to cast video, right? I have DIRECTV coming out tomorrow to swap out my main receiver, with the DVD, to the newest model and swapping out 2 of my Genie mini receivers so I can get the 3 new channels with 4K broadcasting. I already have one 4K mini receiver, but it allowed me to only view 4K PPV content. This new equipment is necessary to get the 4K broadcasting, and luckily, right now they're swapping everyone's equipment out for free. Plus, I have a Samsung UHD HDR DVD player. I just wanted to make sure this new Vizio line can be used like a regular TV as well as utilize the casting. For a set with so many features at such a good price seems too good to be true, so I just want to make sure it's an actual TV that I can hook up multiple components through my receiver to view content, and it's not just a "monitor" that you can cast video to.

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I ran across an article yesterday discussing the new M Series Vizio, and I think this might be the TV I've been waiting for. The whole tablet remote and the screen casting has me confused though. This TV will be able to play content from other sources besides being able to cast video, right? I have DIRECTV coming out tomorrow to swap out my main receiver, with the DVD, to the newest model and swapping out 2 of my Genie mini receivers so I can get the 3 new channels with 4K broadcasting. I already have one 4K mini receiver, but it allowed me to only view 4K PPV content. This new equipment is necessary to get the 4K broadcasting, and luckily, right now they're swapping everyone's equipment out for free. Plus, I have a Samsung UHD HDR DVD player. I just wanted to make sure this new Vizio line can be used like a regular TV as well as utilize the casting. For a set with so many features at such a good price seems too good to be true, so I just want to make sure it's an actual TV that I can hook up multiple components through my receiver to view content, and it's not just a "monitor" that you can cast video to.

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It actually does have more in common with a monitor you can cast to. It has HDMI ports, so yes you can hook all of that stuff up.
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I ran across an article yesterday discussing the new M Series Vizio, and I think this might be the TV I've been waiting for. The whole tablet remote and the screen casting has me confused though. This TV will be able to play content from other sources besides being able to cast video, right? I have DIRECTV coming out tomorrow to swap out my main receiver, with the DVD, to the newest model and swapping out 2 of my Genie mini receivers so I can get the 3 new channels with 4K broadcasting. I already have one 4K mini receiver, but it allowed me to only view 4K PPV content. This new equipment is necessary to get the 4K broadcasting, and luckily, right now they're swapping everyone's equipment out for free. Plus, I have a Samsung UHD HDR DVD player. I just wanted to make sure this new Vizio line can be used like a regular TV as well as utilize the casting. For a set with so many features at such a good price seems too good to be true, so I just want to make sure it's an actual TV that I can hook up multiple components through my receiver to view content, and it's not just a "monitor" that you can cast video to.

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Yes, just think of it as a regular TV but with Chromecast (a special 4K version) built in and no OTA tuner.

In terms of functionality this makes sense. I don't use an antenna so I have no need for a tuner in my plasma so that plasma's tuner is wasted. I watch TV through my cable box. I do have a separate Chromecast attached though for YouTube kids' videos.

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Yes, I know what doubling the number of zones means. I know that more is better, but reviewers said that made little difference between the P and M series in 2015 models so I'm not too concerned about that.
What I am wondering is, how much will I miss not getting HDR10 and Dolby Vision?

Thanks for the response!
Never mind the question, I've been finding a lot on the web about HDR. I guess I can live without it...at least until I see it!
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