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Still no updates from Vizio?...
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I really wish there was a release date for them. I am debating between this and the P series.
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Like I wrote in another post, this Vizio rollout is one of the worst I have seen. First is the bestbuy and Vizio exclusivity for the P series. Then, this perpetual wait for M series. The prices right now are favoring the p-series over M for 65-70 inch displays.
But, I am suspecting they will sell only the M series and below at Costco. And at that point, M series might start making more financial sense.
This rollout is definitely not helping a company that is trying to enter into the big league.
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Pricing and specs are up now on the Vizio page...
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Pricing and specs are up now on the Vizio page...
The 80" M specs show the 70" data. I told a customer rep and he said he would pass it on to the web crew. He also told me last Thurs, he NO release data............ Watch the web page..

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I hope the specs are not completely accurate. Currently the ARC port is the only hdmi 2.0 port on the tv. Making it completely useless really.
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Like I wrote in another post, this Vizio rollout is one of the worst I have seen. First is the bestbuy and Vizio exclusivity for the P series. Then, this perpetual wait for M series. The prices right now are favoring the p-series over M for 65-70 inch displays.
But, I am suspecting they will sell only the M series and below at Costco. And at that point, M series might start making more financial sense.
This rollout is definitely not helping a company that is trying to enter into the big league.
2016 M-60s are available at Costco. I ordered one last week and it is scheduled to arrive tomorrow.

$1090 with tax and shipping.
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2016 M-60s are available at Costco. I ordered one last week and it is scheduled to arrive tomorrow.

$1090 with tax and shipping.

Did you order it online? I don't see them on the costco website.
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2016 M-60s are available at Costco. I ordered one last week and it is scheduled to arrive tomorrow.

$1090 with tax and shipping.
I'm trying to figure out if:

A) You just bought yourself a 2015 model.

B) You made a price typo or a screen size typo.

C) You're trolling me.

D) You made off with a TV at an incredible sale price.

If the last one is true, I am ready to be your apprentice.
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2016 M-60s are available at Costco. I ordered one last week and it is scheduled to arrive tomorrow.

$1090 with tax and shipping.
I think you might have ordered the 2015 version. Better check to avoid disappointments :-)
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2016 M-60s are available at Costco. I ordered one last week and it is scheduled to arrive tomorrow.

$1090 with tax and shipping.


Yea that seems crazy since the MSRP on the tv is 1250. It seems weird that you got one cheaper after tax and shipping?
Are you sure you didn't order last years tv? The M60-c3 The new one shouldn't be available esp not for under the asking price yet. The new model is M60-D1.
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There are currently four Vizio models advertised on Costco.com. The M60 is identified as an M60-C3. The 40" Vizio is also a C model, E40-C2. But the 39" and 70" Vizios are both D models, D39H-D0 and E70u-D3.
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I am looking at the 2016 M Series and comparing it to the just released 2016 P Series but am getting confused as to what it can do now and what it will able to do in the future As best I can tell the P Series has been confirmed online and in the Vizio specs as having a pending upgrade to be able to handle HDR 10. The specs on the Vizio website also show 4 HDMI inputs as 2.0 with an upgrade to 2.0a in the near future ((Ports 1-4 support v2.0 (upgrade 2.0a coming soon); Port 5 supports v1.4)). And 600MHz pixel clock rate as [email protected], 4:4:4, 8-bit | [email protected], 4:2:2, 12-bit | [email protected], 4:2:0, 12-bit. It also clearly states that the P Series is HDCP 2.2 compliant.

For the M series, it shows only 1 HDMI port as V2.0, with no mention of an upgrade in the future to 2.0a. And 600MHz pixel clock rate as [email protected], 4:4:4, 8-bit | [email protected], 4:2:2, 12-bit | [email protected], 4:2:0, 12-bit. This is identical to the P Series. But there is no mention in the specs of HDCP 2.2.

Does this mean the M Series will not have a HDMI 2.0a HDMI input or HDCP 2.2 and aren't these required to get HDR and UHDBR via HDMI? So does this mean it can only get HDR and native 4K via a streaming signal, like Netflix? I have read that many displays do not even specify HDMI 2.0a and just say HDMI 2.0 even when the port has been upgraded to 2.0a, but this does not seem to be the case with Vizio, since they specifically say in the P Series spec that is not 2.0a ready out of the box. And I am baffled by the lack of mention of HDCP 2.2 on the M Series when it is mentioned on the P Series. As for the ability to upgrade and add HDR 10 in the future, they both seem to have the same video processors, so they should be able to do that if they want to, right?

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But, I am suspecting they will sell only the M series and below at Costco.
Would be very strange if P-Series were sold at costco.ca, and not costco.com

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I am looking at the 2016 M Series and comparing it to the just released 2016 P Series but am getting confused as to what it can do now and what it will able to do in the future As best I can tell the P Series has been confirmed online and in the Vizio specs as having a pending upgrade to be able to handle HDR 10. The specs on the Vizio website also show 4 HDMI inputs as 2.0 with an upgrade to 2.0a in the near future ((Ports 1-4 support v2.0 (upgrade 2.0a coming soon); Port 5 supports v1.4)). And 600MHz pixel clock rate as [email protected], 4:4:4, 8-bit | [email protected], 4:2:2, 12-bit | [email protected], 4:2:0, 12-bit. It also clearly states that the P Series is HDCP 2.2 compliant.

For the M series, it shows only 1 HDMI port as V2.0, with no mention of an upgrade in the future to 2.0a. And 600MHz pixel clock rate as [email protected], 4:4:4, 8-bit | [email protected], 4:2:2, 12-bit | [email protected], 4:2:0, 12-bit. This is identical to the P Series. But there is no mention in the specs of HDCP 2.2.

Does this mean the M Series will not have a HDMI 2.0a HDMI input or HDCP 2.2 and aren't these required to get HDR and UHDBR via HDMI? So does this mean it can only get HDR and native 4K via a streaming signal, like Netflix? I have read that many displays do not even specify HDMI 2.0a and just say HDMI 2.0 even when the port has been upgraded to 2.0a, but this does not seem to be the case with Vizio, since they specifically say in the P Series spec that is not 2.0a ready out of the box. And I am baffled by the lack of mention of HDCP 2.2 on the M Series when it is mentioned on the P Series. As for the ability to upgrade and add HDR 10 in the future, they both seem to have the same video processors, so they should be able to do that if they want to, right?

Any help appreciated.
Searching this thread and the 2016 P series owner's thread will give you more detailed answers, but in summary, based on what is known now, the 2016 M series will not support HDR10. They will only support DV. This is because they lack a 10-bit panel and wide color gamut, which are both required for "true" HDR10. There are some claims that without those 2 features, HDR10 can still be "simulated" to some extent, but that's still to be determined, as far as I know.

Vizio has not commented on HDR10 support for M series.
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Would be very strange if P-Series were sold at costco.ca, and not costco.com

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Maybe Vizio has an exclusive deal with Best Buy in the US for the P series. I hope not, as I would prefer Costco, but even the CTO's statements have said nothing about P series availability at Costco/Amazon.
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Searching this thread and the 2016 P series owner's thread will give you more detailed answers, but in summary, based on what is known now, the 2016 M series will not support HDR10. They will only support DV. This is because they lack a 10-bit panel and wide color gamut, which are both required for "true" HDR10. There are some claims that without those 2 features, HDR10 can still be "simulated" to some extent, but that's still to be determined, as far as I know.

Vizio has not commented on HDR10 support for M series.
Yes, I have read both threads and understand the limitations on upgrading to HDR 10 capability. But I have seen nothing in the M Series discussions about the lack of HDMI 2.0a or a mention of HDCP 2.2. Can anyone confirm that the 2015 M Series had HDCP 2.2? It is starting to look like it is only designed to display 4K via a streaming source. I plan to have a UHDBR player and while it might not pass HDR now, since UHDBR are currently limited to HDR 10, what happens if they start to come out in DV? Without HDMI 2.0a they will not display them in HDR even then.

It sounds more and more like to get full functionality of the current UHDBR's I need to be looking at nothing but the P Series. And even then it will require the upgrade to HDR 10 and HDMI 2.0a. FYI, I will be using a Marantz 7702mkII with full HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 on all HDMI inputs/outputs. I like the idea of going with DV and allowing for a future upgrade to HDR 10 but that may not be possible with Vizio. Bummer
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Would be very strange if P-Series were sold at costco.ca, and not costco.com

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Maybe Vizio has an exclusive deal with Best Buy in the US for the P series. I hope not, as I would prefer Costco, but even the CTO's statements have said nothing about P series availability at Costco/Amazon.
Best Buy does indeed have an exclusive deal with Vizio for the P series but it's only temporary.
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Best Buy does indeed have an exclusive deal with Vizio for the P series but it's only temporary.
Yes. That is why they are listing the price as $2,299, and calling it a sale after $300 off at $1,999. Isn't this plain cheating when the real list price itself is only $1,999.
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The specs on the 80" M have been corrected, I just looked. Now to see if it will fit? HA

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Is the 60" really an IPS panel? Seems like an odd choice given that it was VA in past models. I'm hoping this is a typo just like the recently corrected mistakes in the specs for the 80" and the [email protected] (should be [email protected]) listed for HDMI 5 port.
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im only getting the 43" and only getting this since it's the better model. mostly using this for pc use and sd tv box veiwing and consols. wish i waited my onkyo receiver is a year old got it last boxing day only has hdmi 2.0 am i still set?
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Like I wrote in another post, this Vizio rollout is one of the worst I have seen. First is the bestbuy and Vizio exclusivity for the P series. Then, this perpetual wait for M series. The prices right now are favoring the p-series over M for 65-70 inch displays.
But, I am suspecting they will sell only the M series and below at Costco. And at that point, M series might start making more financial sense.
This rollout is definitely not helping a company that is trying to enter into the big league.
Been feeling the same way,absolutely terrible launch. 6 weeks after launch and you still cant even buy a p series in store. The best buy exclusivity is just nonsense when all they do is push you to buy some crappy overpriced edge lit samsung/sony tv anyway.
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Yes, I have read both threads and understand the limitations on upgrading to HDR 10 capability. But I have seen nothing in the M Series discussions about the lack of HDMI 2.0a or a mention of HDCP 2.2. Can anyone confirm that the 2015 M Series had HDCP 2.2? It is starting to look like it is only designed to display 4K via a streaming source. I plan to have a UHDBR player and while it might not pass HDR now, since UHDBR are currently limited to HDR 10, what happens if they start to come out in DV? Without HDMI 2.0a they will not display them in HDR even then.

It sounds more and more like to get full functionality of the current UHDBR's I need to be looking at nothing but the P Series. And even then it will require the upgrade to HDR 10 and HDMI 2.0a. FYI, I will be using a Marantz 7702mkII with full HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 on all HDMI inputs/outputs. I like the idea of going with DV and allowing for a future upgrade to HDR 10 but that may not be possible with Vizio. Bummer
I have the same questions as Tarheel. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
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Im starting to think maybe Vizio is doing last minute revisions to the 2016 M series hence the delay...
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Ok guys,

I have a Mits 73" DLP that I've owned for about 6 years or so. It is a 1080P set and works fine although it's getting to the point a new bulb will be needed. .

With that being said, I recently purchased a 50 LED for my bedroom and am blown away with the brightness and clarity. If I upgrade my main screen in the HT/Living room , it would be to a 4K set.



Tell me why I shouldn't purchase a Visio 2016 M series in the 70 " size when they become available .

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Tell me why I shouldn't purchase a Visio 2016 M series in the 70 " size when they become available .
Because real men watch 80".

Go big or go home.

Losers have 70" and smaller screens.

70" is bathroom size.

Just a few reasons off of the top of my head.








I have a 60" screen, BTW.
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Im starting to think maybe Vizio is doing last minute revisions to the 2016 M series hence the delay...
I know that's purely speculation, but I'm starting to feel the same way.

I don't know anything about how companies release products, but is it common for companies to release them piecemeal like this? Or do they usually drop the whole spectrum of panels at a time? Logistically, I think releasing one at a time ensures they can get each release right and compensate for different demands, but it is strange that Vizio made a paper launch of the M-series.
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Ok guys,

I have a Mits 73" DLP that I've owned for about 6 years or so. It is a 1080P set and works fine although it's getting to the point a new bulb will be needed. .

With that being said, I recently purchased a 50 LED for my bedroom and am blown away with the brightness and clarity. If I upgrade my main screen in the HT/Living room , it would be to a 4K set.



Tell me why I shouldn't purchase a Visio 2016 M series in the 70 " size when they become available .
I am in the exact situation as you. I struggle with going from a 73 to a 70 but the price difference between a 70 M series and a 80 M or 75 P is hard to justify
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