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So if the TV's VP9 chip can only do 8-bit HDR on Youtube HDR, would I be able to bypass that and do full 10-bit HDR on youtube if I use a chromecast Ultra plugged into HDMI 1-4 on my p75?


Yes chromecast ultra worlks prefect for YouTube hdr on this tv


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If anyone is having issues with getting a black screen on the PS4, turn the TV off and on. It will take a moment but it should pick the signal back up. I notice this problem happening when changing inputs and going back to the PS4 input. (I usually switch from PS4 to PC every once in a while, which was causing this signal loss).

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Has anyone who's asked for it received the beta patch in the last 2 days?

I've seen a few posts saying users haven't been updated, myself now included.

Have they put the brakes on this release? I was really looking forward to less latency on HDR gaming, as the 60ms on the PS4Pro right now is boarderline unplayable :/ 45ms would be a lot better.
Got mine. People keep asking on the thread when they should be asking Matt directly on his profile via message.

And I agree, HDR gaming on this right now is very, very sluggish in terms of input. It is made worse if you are playing a 30fps game where input latency is longer.

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If anyone is having issues with getting a black screen on the PS4, turn the TV off and on. It will take a moment but it should pick the signal back up. I notice this problem happening when changing inputs and going back to the PS4 input. (I usually switch from PS4 to PC every once in a while, which was causing this signal loss).



Got mine. People keep asking on the thread when they should be asking Matt directly on his profile via message.

And I agree, HDR gaming on this right now is very, very sluggish in terms of input. It is made worse if you are playing a 30fps game where input latency is longer.
I got mine and didn't even know it until I looked at my display information on the cast app.

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I actually just order a blue jeans cable to see if there is any chance it helps my ARC issues. I hope it does, but I doubt it since I have tried 4 other "High speed" cables with the same drop outs.

I really am curious what causes ARC issues knowing it isn't bandwidth related.
Here is hoping the Blue Jeans Cable can some how help me when it arrives tomorrow.
Also, if you don't already, turn your TV on first, then your receiver, then the component you plan on using. It usually resolves any handshake issues.
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Both, was using the Cabernet ones from the AVR to TV and the Certified Premium ones from the source to the AVR



The 20ft cable I just bought was 80 bucks
Yes, longer cables will always cost more.
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I got mine and didn't even know it until I looked at my display information on the cast app.

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Same here. I woke up the next day after asking Matt, and since I was still in the tweaking process, I noticed my HDR signal on PS4 Pro wasn't messed up anymore. Checked the cast information, and saw I was updated. Was expecting the TV to notify me of the change.

I also noticed my Clear Action motion was more responsive. Prior to the update, my test samples were showing randomly 'pumping' black trails. Now, the trails seem shorter and no longer pumping. A noticeable boost in motion quality.
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I am just confused as why you would keep buying the same cable over and over. Buy 2 Cabernet at 45' that do not work the same. So you buy 5 more and expect quality? If cables are that different for the same length then something is wrong with the way they are made. Not that Monoprice stuff is always junk, but when going with a run of 40' I just don't know why you would expect much different. I mean I don't even understand how they get the price that low on a 40foot active cable. I can't even buy the unterminated wire for a run that long for that price. I never actually used a celerity cable though, and I would be pissed if something that cost that much didn't work.
Well, I'm not buying them over and over. It was 2 purchases under a hope that shaving 5' could be the difference of working and not. Turns out I did get one winner.

I bought 5 cause the tv has 5 inputs. So I have options to go source direct when I want to as all the cables seems to work that way. It's just from the preamp where things flake.

I'll be sending the Celerity back today. Only will cost $10 loss to have tried it out.
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Has anyone been able to add an HDMI box like a switcher with power in between?
I found this last night.

https://www.conferenceroomav.com/Kramer-/PT-3H2.cfm

It with a couple of the known good Monoprice premium certified cables on each side could be interesting. I might try that just to see if ARC also works through it.
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I want to add some more detail to an earlier post around a bug with the 3.0.6.4 firmware causing my P55 not to turn all the way off. You only notice it in a dark room as you can faintly see there is still content playing on the screen. You have to unplug the TV or wait a random amount of time for it to finally shut off. Sometimes it can be as long as ten minutes. If you try to turn it back "on" turning this time the display wont respond to remote or tablet commands. It's like the display is getting stuck somewhere on the shutdown process. I'm curious if anyone else is having the problem. You would never notice it in a well lit room and I doubt most people try to turn the TV right back on after they turned it off.

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I noticed the same on my p65. My tablet won't turn the display back on unless I switch to quick start instead of eco.

I also noticed the slight images on the screen in a dark room after shut down... thought it was some weird reflections at first. I just tried powering down now, and didn't notice it, but it's not real dark in the room right now. I'll check it later tonight, I'm off to work now.

I'm ok with a few of these bugs in a beta firmware. The pq on my cable tv alone is noticeably better. I haven't even checked out any hdr gaming on my xb1s yet or checked out any of my DV content. Looking very forward to it this weekend.
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Probably a dumb question, but how do I update the firmware if I'm on the beta track? I'm not sure if Matt added me yet, but wanted to check.

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Probably a dumb question, but how do I update the firmware if I'm on the beta track? I'm not sure if Matt added me yet, but wanted to check.

Thanks.
Go to the tablet, settings, then I think it is under system settings, click "service check". Now turn the TV off. I turned mine back on after about 20min and it had performed the update.
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I just dug back a few pages and couldn't see any answers, this thread moves too quickly...

Is there any way to watch Amazon HDR on our P-series displays yet? I have an Xbox One S and it seems the Amazon app there is STILL not supporting HDR... the Amazon Video app updated on my phone and now has an option for casting, but it won't give my TV as an option.

I'm seriously starting to get really irritated at this whole situation. A lot of great HDR and 4K content is on Amazon video, including the new Grand Tour series, how much more crap am I going to have to buy in order to enjoy it?
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Quick update before weekend

Just updated serials numbers into the system (went through all posts and PMs). Will take a couple of hours for them to go live.

We have been verifying issues reported here and being queued for fix in coming release:
- Gamma was swapped
- Motion processing on in HDR when it should be off
- P50 flicker is improved, but will be improved more in final release
- Black drop outs on Xbox was not in this release but we have root caused issue (see below)
- Colored flashes on resolution or signal change
- Fine tune of PQ

Like I mentioned before, the PQ fine tune is the last thing we do in a firmware release... so that will be improved until the day before the final release.

On the black screen events for Xbox... Most HDMI sources send data island packets (4000-5000 in signal for delineation and alignment of data). The Xbox 1S is sending 150,000 data island packets in a flood. The excessive amount of concatenated null packets corrupts the data and our software send a re-auth request which causes a re-synch. We are working on a way to handle this flood in a more robust way but have also talked with the Xbox team to find out why they are sending a Null Packet Flood and whether they can modify their software as well. Note - this is limited to HDMI 2.0 with HDCP.

Stay tuned...
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Just updated serials numbers into the system (went through all posts and PMs). Will take a couple of hours for them to go live.



We have been verifying issues reported here and being queued for fix in coming release:

- Gamma was swapped

- Motion processing on in HDR when it should be off

- P50 flicker is improved, but will be improved more in final release

- Black drop outs on Xbox was not in this release but we have root caused issue (see below)

- Colored flashes on resolution or signal change

- Fine tune of PQ



Like I mentioned before, the PQ fine tune is the last thing we do in a firmware release... so that will be improved until the day before the final release.



On the black screen events for Xbox... Most HDMI sources send data island packets (4000-5000 in signal for delineation and alignment of data). The Xbox 1S is sending 150,000 data island packets in a flood. The excessive amount of concatenated null packets corrupts the data and our software send a re-auth request which causes a re-synch. We are working on a way to handle this flood in a more robust way but have also talked with the Xbox team to find out why they are sending a Null Packet Flood and whether they can modify their software as well. Note - this is limited to HDMI 2.0 with HDCP.



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Just updated serials numbers into the system (went through all posts and PMs). Will take a couple of hours for them to go live.

We have been verifying issues reported here and being queued for fix in coming release:
- Gamma was swapped
- Motion processing on in HDR when it should be off
- P50 flicker is improved, but will be improved more in final release
- Black drop outs on Xbox was not in this release but we have root caused issue (see below)
- Colored flashes on resolution or signal change
- Fine tune of PQ

Like I mentioned before, the PQ fine tune is the last thing we do in a firmware release... so that will be improved until the day before the final release.

On the black screen events for Xbox... Most HDMI sources send data island packets (4000-5000 in signal for delineation and alignment of data). The Xbox 1S is sending 150,000 data island packets in a flood. The excessive amount of concatenated null packets corrupts the data and our software send a re-auth request which causes a re-synch. We are working on a way to handle this flood in a more robust way but have also talked with the Xbox team to find out why they are sending a Null Packet Flood and whether they can modify their software as well. Note - this is limited to HDMI 2.0 with HDCP.

Stay tuned...
Given the source of the issue with the Xbox One S blackouts, do you still anticipate this being a fix included with the full firmware release or will this be in a later release? Thank you for keeping us posted on all the updates.
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Is there any way to watch Amazon HDR on our P-series displays yet?
FWIW, Amazon HDR works great on my P65 via a Roku Ultra.
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FYI the message that you received a firmware update does not stay on the screen that long. So if you turn everything on and walk away while everything "boots up" you can easily miss it
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I sometimes use the TV as a second monitor and the delay with using a mouse or scrolling is very noticeable on inputs 1-4 even with Low Latency Game Mode on. I haven't tried Input 5 since I have my Xbox connected there but I think I'll have to try swapping to make using it as a second monitor actually reasonable.
Try HDMI 5 with GLL...
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FWIW, Amazon HDR works great on my P65 via a Roku Ultra.
Interesting, why doesn't the Amazon device page list the Roku Ultra as HDR compatible? I bought an XB1S largely because I assumed it would implement HDR into the Amazon app pretty quickly, I cannot believe it still doesn't support it.

It's kind of shocking to me how poorly HDR and 4K are being supported, at this point the tech has been out for a few years and the cost of entry has dropped to a point where it's pretty much just as attainable as 1080p, so why the slow uptake on support?

Can anyone else confirm the Roku Ultra or Premier + supporting HDR via Amazon, Netflix and Youtube? I really just want to run everything via one device.
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FWIW, Amazon HDR works great on my P65 via a Roku Ultra.
Will you be able to do amazon HDR at some point with the built in google Cast?

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FWIW, Amazon HDR works great on my P65 via a Roku Ultra.
I use the Samsung UHD 4k bluray player to stream Amazon HDR content.
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Given the talk on cables with the TV and my own posts, I have one more to make. At this point, I have ruled out the TV as being the culprit of any signaling issues, but this information probably will help others.

I had been running 2 x 45' Monoprice Cabernet from my AV7702mkII to the TV. I have consistently had problems. Black screens, white pixel snow, ARC never working realiably for bitstream, and so on. My 3-year-old can sightread the phrase "No Signal" on the TV... One cable would handshake well, but had the snow. The other would handshake terribly if at all.

The odd thing was always that if I took the same cables direct from a source, they worked OK. Just out of the preamp they didn't. I took the preamp into the service center this summer and they said it checked out OK. They changed the logic board anyway to be sure. Same behavior though.

I tried the 40' Celerity fiber optic cable. That thing just was terrible. Hardly could handshake, even source direct to TV.

For reference, my sources are TiVo Bolt, Roku Ultra, K8500, Xbox One S, PS4 Pro, and PC.

So I bought 5 x 40' Monoprice Cabernet. Hoping with that volume I'd have a winner, and being 5' shorter, the signaling might be better. I installed them yesterday.

Cable 1: Handshake was OK. Massive amounts of white snow. Much more than the 45' cable. ARC worked terribly.
Cable 2: Couldn't hardly handshake at all, just no signal.

So then I called Marantz support. In the talk, they suggested I bring the preamp up to the TV and try other cables. So I did. I brought up the Roku Ultra (which had been getting the pixel snow when set to HDR mode) and the preamp. I connected the Roku to the preamp with a 3' Monoprice High Speed Certified cable. Preamp to TV with a 6' same model cable.

It worked stably and realiably. I had never seen a device handshake so quickly and stably at 4k and high bandwidth output. No snow at all. Then I tried ARC. Obviously my amps/speakers were not connected, but the front panel of the Marantz properly showed every codec for each movie I tried. It was locking onto every ARC signal without fault.

OK, so preamp verified. Long cables are in fact the problem, at least in terms of the devices working together. So I went and tried the other 3 cables.

Cable 3: Decent handshake. Medium amount of snow. ARC gave audio with fairly frequent drop-outs.
Cable 4: Moderate handshake. Very light amount of snow, almost none. ARC worked even better. Not 100%, but close.
Cable 5: Fast handshake. No snow at all. ARC is silent.

What we have here is cable lottery. I really didn't expect that. So I'm out ARC, but at least I have a working cable. I'm tempted to go back and retry them and see if I get the same results, but I'm scared to upset the stability.

Two things to mention:

- When I mention testing ARC, I'm testing bitstream from VUDU for 5.1, 7.1 and Atmos DD+ soundtracks via casting.
- When I mention white pixel snow, it's white pixel artifacts that only happen on high bandwidth signals (4:2:2 12-bit UHD or 4:4:4 8-bit UHD). Low bandwidth, even 4:2:0 10-bit UHD, has not shown pixel snow on any cable. It's the Roku, PS4, and PC that get the snow. The K8500 and Xbox One keep their output lower bandwidth.

If I could do my system over, I would never do a long run. I will never put sources devices more than a 20' cable run away from a display ever again.

For now, I can ride it out with this one working cable and hope it doesn't change. My next thing was to try external 4x2 or 8x8 matrix switches and see if they avoid the artifacts produced using the Marantz. That or look into more expensive cables to experiment with or perhaps drop a HD Fury in there (I think that unit boosts output on regular cables for longer runs).
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Same here. I woke up the next day after asking Matt, and since I was still in the tweaking process, I noticed my HDR signal on PS4 Pro wasn't messed up anymore. Checked the cast information, and saw I was updated. Was expecting the TV to notify me of the change.

I also noticed my Clear Action motion was more responsive. Prior to the update, my test samples were showing randomly 'pumping' black trails. Now, the trails seem shorter and no longer pumping. A noticeable boost in motion quality.

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You won't believe how great Forza Horizon 3 in HDR looks. It's almost hard to describe, but you can see the sun shining bright on one side, and dark clouds approaching from the other all at the same time and the lighting from each is so realistic. The factory red paint on my Ferrari is so vivid now it almost hurts to look at. Haven't messed around at night yet but yeah HDR gaming is the real deal if done like Forza. Matt and the team have some an incredible job implementing HDR gaming on the P Series. The new FW beta does indeed have some bugs but seriously, how awesome is it that we have the option? Isn't beta firmware on TV's unprecedented? Never heard of anyone doing it before.
Glad you enjoying HDR gaming... I think HDR for gaming is even a bigger difference than most movies. Partially because movies have colorists that fine tune the picture over months before release to maximize the performance in the limited gamut/dynamic range. But games are rendered in real time and can't take advantage of months of fine tuning... so opening up the gamma/dynamic range lets the games PQ come through.
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Just updated serials numbers into the system (went through all posts and PMs). Will take a couple of hours for them to go live.



We have been verifying issues reported here and being queued for fix in coming release:

- Gamma was swapped

- Motion processing on in HDR when it should be off

- P50 flicker is improved, but will be improved more in final release

- Black drop outs on Xbox was not in this release but we have root caused issue (see below)

- Colored flashes on resolution or signal change

- Fine tune of PQ



Like I mentioned before, the PQ fine tune is the last thing we do in a firmware release... so that will be improved until the day before the final release.



On the black screen events for Xbox... Most HDMI sources send data island packets (4000-5000 in signal for delineation and alignment of data). The Xbox 1S is sending 150,000 data island packets in a flood. The excessive amount of concatenated null packets corrupts the data and our software send a re-auth request which causes a re-synch. We are working on a way to handle this flood in a more robust way but have also talked with the Xbox team to find out why they are sending a Null Packet Flood and whether they can modify their software as well. Note - this is limited to HDMI 2.0 with HDCP.



Stay tuned...


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Glad you enjoying HDR gaming... I think HDR for gaming is even a bigger difference than most movies. Partially because movies have colorists that fine tune the picture over months before release to maximize the performance in the limited gamut/dynamic range. But games are rendered in real time and can't take advantage of months of fine tuning... so opening up the gamma/dynamic range lets the games PQ come through.


Agreed. I've been loving Forza Horizon 3. Just grabbed Gear of War as well and excited to give that a try in HDR! Thanks for the beta firmware, Matt! Really enjoying this TV all over again!


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Will you be able to do amazon HDR at some point with the built in google Cast?


I wish vizio could have an agreement with amazon in order to watch amazon video, but since the display is using googlecast i doubt it would be possible for now.



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Just updated serials numbers into the system (went through all posts and PMs). Will take a couple of hours for them to go live.



We have been verifying issues reported here and being queued for fix in coming release:

- Gamma was swapped

- Motion processing on in HDR when it should be off

- P50 flicker is improved, but will be improved more in final release

- Black drop outs on Xbox was not in this release but we have root caused issue (see below)

- Colored flashes on resolution or signal change

- Fine tune of PQ



Like I mentioned before, the PQ fine tune is the last thing we do in a firmware release... so that will be improved until the day before the final release.



On the black screen events for Xbox... Most HDMI sources send data island packets (4000-5000 in signal for delineation and alignment of data). The Xbox 1S is sending 150,000 data island packets in a flood. The excessive amount of concatenated null packets corrupts the data and our software send a re-auth request which causes a re-synch. We are working on a way to handle this flood in a more robust way but have also talked with the Xbox team to find out why they are sending a Null Packet Flood and whether they can modify their software as well. Note - this is limited to HDMI 2.0 with HDCP.



Stay tuned...


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I wish vizio could have an agreement with amazon in order to watch amazon video, but since the display is using googlecast i doubt it would be possible for now.



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I think the issue is Amazon is having more and more success with their own devices the Fire TV line and they want you to buy their hardware to enjoy their software. So I wouldn't be surprised if this becomes more commonplace among lots of smart device manufacturers.
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