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Yes it is good that a problem with the beta firmware is reported but it only needs to be reported once.



The whiners are complaining about the same reported problems several time a day, they should be reading or searching back through the thread to see if anyone has reported it and if it has been reported not waste everyone's time having to read about the same thing over and over again.


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Games which should get HDR support sometime in near the future:

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The Witness actually already got the HDR patch a couple of days ago, and it is terrific. Most immediately apparent HDR so far imo. And my second favorite implementation of HDR after Forza Horizon 3.

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The Witness actually already got the HDR patch a couple of days ago, and it is terrific. Most immediately apparent HDR so far imo. And my second favorite implementation of HDR after Forza Horizon 3.

Wait till you see FF15, absolutely bar setting HDR implementation
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I was watching tv and noticed a dark band through the middle of the screen. I put on a white screen and saw this. I know for a fact it wasn't there earlier today. What the heck is it? Could it be image retention?

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I was watching tv and noticed a dark band through the middle of the screen. I put on a white screen and saw this. I know for a fact it wasn't there earlier today. What the heck is it? Could it be image retention?

Looks like a row of the backlights have failed.
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If that's the issue, I'm assuming it's something covered under warranty, right?
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I don't understand why anyone is complaining about Netflix or some other apps not work on Xbox or other devices. If the TV can cast it then just do it that way.


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Because we'd like to have all of our apps in one place.

Also, there's still no Amazon Video on the P-series and won't be for the foreseeable future.
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If that's the issue, I'm assuming it's something covered under warranty, right?
Yes it would be covered by warranty, since a whole row went out at once it is most likely a failure in the driver board, they should just have to swap the board instead of having to go through the trouble of changing the display.
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Just the 10% Flat Test.

Ooh. You did a Boo-Boo.

If adjusting the 2-Point (Gain/OffSet), that is an all-across the scale adjustment. Each affects the other, but Gain (brighter White Ramp Test bars) will emphasis the left half, OffSet (darker White Ramp Test bars) the right half.

Try the 2-Point with the White Ramp Test Pattern to get most bars looking gray. For any odd bar that is still off-gray, do each bar as needed with the 11-Point White Balance.

Only use the Full-Screen Flat Test Patterns as a check after doing 2 and/or 11-Point adjustments.

This is the best gray 10% and 20% Full-Screen Flat Test Patterns I've ever had on a Vizio. As I cycle up through 30% to 100%, they're all pretty spot-on, also.

My next Color Tuner Test Adjustment is to leave the 2-Point alone and try it just with the 11-Point.

Anyway, as in my posted settings, the pic looks amazing right now. HUGE difference from just leaving it at Beta3064-Green.

Before I finished my Color Tuner 'Fix', I turned on Color Space RGB and/or cranked up the Brightness to have a peek at the 5% and 10% bars to make sure they were gray. I kept cycling through all the Gamma settings also to make sure the all the bars would stay or be close to gray, as there has always been an off-gray shift when changing Gamma.

In a pinch, one can switch from 'Normal' to the 'Computer' Color Temperature. Be wary, however. After watching stuff in 'Computer' for a while then going back to 'Normal', it'll be 'Yellow-Shock' for a bit until you get used to D65 again.

I suppose 'Cool' is for watching stuff during a heat wave, eh?


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Even I who am not keen on the beta, realize I did ask for it- and deserve what I got.
However, isn't it good that the whiners get the beta because we'll notice every problem?
beardontwalk123 has posted his latest calibration settings for SDR & DV & it fixes the green push. Low IRE looks much better now.
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It does with the beta firmware.
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How is everyone getting their Vizio P series out of the Cast input after Casting? I have a Harmony that I have to use to manually move the input to my Receiver input and then I always lose sound as well from my receiver (Denon X1200W). I have to then turn my receiver off and back on to get everything working again properly. This has caused me to basically not use the Cast function as it becomes such a pain to exit out of. I am using the Vizio supplied HDMI cable and just ordered the Monoprice Premium HDMI cable to see if there is some sort of a handshake issue here as well

Am I missing something obvious?
Hi there,

I don't own a Denon (I have a Sony STR-DN1040) but I don't have any problems using my Harmony via sequences to switch into and out of CAST. Naturally, since we're using ARC to get sound to the receiver, have you checked all your ARC settings in the Denon? I'm using the ARC only option on the Vizio, and when my AVR switches from "TV" for CAST sound to "SAT/CATV" or "GAME" all is well with audio. Is your Denon's firmware fully updated? CEC is wonky as heck...
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I had purchased the 2016 Vizio P series to be used solely for HDR gaming. Waited for HDR10 to be implemented and now we have 60ms latency (soon to be 45ms with patch to come). I am really having a hard time with this. This TV was on the top of the review websites list until HDR10, which was the only reason of my purchase. Now, Samsung just improved their KS8000 from 100ms+ to 22ms in gaming mode/HDR and also dropped their price for the 65 inches 300.00 cheaper than the vizio. Feel was fed empty promises. Should I wait for possible further gaming/HDR lag improvements (like 20ms), is this realistic? Or start contacting vizio about possible refund. Thanks for your input.
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Could be related to my Audio Drop.


I'm sure Matt/Vizio is or will be aware, as he is monitoring the Thread(s).



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My problem is different. The audio cuts out very briefly. May e 1second. I thought it was the satellite box but yesterday I hooked up the ps4 pro and it's doing it now on HDMI 4.

I know this was mentioned in previous firmware notes but are ppl still having this problem?

I also hear sometimes a crack sound as if a heat sink was popping. Like the old ps3s used to do.
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I had purchased the 2016 Vizio P series to be used solely for HDR gaming. Waited for HDR10 to be implemented and now we have 60ms latency (soon to be 45ms with patch to come).
HDR10 gaming with the current beta P-series firmware should be around 45ms (same as non-HDR games at 4K), which is a ~3 frame delay @ 60hz. This should be acceptable from most games and people. But if you need closer to 1 frames, you can use HDMI5 @ 1080p with SDR -- this is about as close to zero lag as you can get of all the TVs out there.

If the most important feature for your TV is lowest possible 4K HDR input lag, then trading for a different TV with other issues might be your best bet.
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HDR10 gaming with the current beta P-series firmware should be around 45ms (same as non-HDR games at 4K), which is a ~3 frame delay @ 60hz. This should be acceptable from most games and people. But if you need closer to 1 frames, you can use HDMI5 @ 1080p with SDR -- this is about as close to zero lag as you can get of all the TVs out there.

If the most important feature for your TV is lowest possible 4K HDR input lag, then trading for a different TV with other issues might be your best bet.
Really like my 2016 Vizio P Series (65inch), but would like to see 4K HDR input lag somewhere in the 20ms-30ms. Would this be possible? Realistic in a future patch? Thanks
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Wait till you see FF15, absolutely bar setting HDR implementation
Is it HDR on both PS4 and XBox?
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I had purchased the 2016 Vizio P series to be used solely for HDR gaming. Waited for HDR10 to be implemented and now we have 60ms latency (soon to be 45ms with patch to come). I am really having a hard time with this. This TV was on the top of the review websites list until HDR10, which was the only reason of my purchase. Now, Samsung just improved their KS8000 from 100ms+ to 22ms in gaming mode/HDR and also dropped their price for the 65 inches 300.00 cheaper than the vizio. Feel was fed empty promises. Should I wait for possible further gaming/HDR lag improvements (like 20ms), is this realistic? Or start contacting vizio about possible refund. Thanks for your input.
I played gears of war 4 since launch on the Xbox one plugged into hdmi 5 on my p65. I just bought the one s yesterday and hooked it into hdmi 2 and used all the same video settings. Gll, clear action, and active led all on. I can't tell the difference at all in lag. I think people are just trying to find something to cry about. Why not try it first and see how it is? You would want a subpar picture just for 20ms less lag? That's just stupid to me
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HDR10 gaming with the current beta P-series firmware should be around 45ms (same as non-HDR games at 4K), which is a ~3 frame delay @ 60hz. This should be acceptable from most games and people. But if you need closer to 1 frames, you can use HDMI5 @ 1080p with SDR -- this is about as close to zero lag as you can get of all the TVs out there.

If the most important feature for your TV is lowest possible 4K HDR input lag, then trading for a different TV with other issues might be your best bet.
What is acceptable input lag and how can we gauge it.
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Holy crap the Grand Tour looks great. More like this!

The audio sync is way off tho.
Yeah it does. Amazon still needs to make it more clear as whats HDR or not.
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I am semi-afraid to post this until I do more testing, but I would like to give an update on my ARC situation.
I have had the tv since the original Firmware came out and have had ARC drop outs since day 1. I knew ARC was crazy so no big deal.
I tried multiple High Speed Cables (Amazon, Monoprice, Monster, Included Vizio Cable) And drop out were about the same no matter what, and no cable had trouble with 4k hdr video.
I upgraded my receiver from a Marantz SR5008 to a Yamaha RX-A3050 but the same drop outs kept occuring.
Just for the fun of it I decided to order a Blue Jeans Series FE cable.
First I want to note that after installing the cable I had several video drop outs from my cable box that day. It actually could have been a loose connection somewhere else but they haven't happened again. Also I want to not the only Blue Jeans HDMI is the one between my tv and receiver. Every other device is currently a different high speed HDMI.

To my surprise I have not had an ARC drop out in the last 3 days. Even after getting the current Beta firmware I was still having drop outs. It wasn't until I installed this cable that the Arc drop outs appeared to have stopped. I am not completely convinced yet and I will test more this week. But I am confused on how or why it has even seemed to fix the issue. It should not in any way be a bandwidth issue since ARC is using SPDIF, and the drop outs did not matter what content I was watching. Could be 4k DD+ or 1080p in stereo.
I will keep you guys posted if the drop outs start happening again. And once again even though it is happening in front of me it is still hard to believe the cable could have fixed this.
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I played gears of war 4 since launch on the Xbox one plugged into hdmi 5 on my p65. I just bought the one s yesterday and hooked it into hdmi 2 and used all the same video settings. Gll, clear action, and active led all on. I can't tell the difference at all in lag. I think people are just trying to find something to cry about. Why not try it first and see how it is? You would want a subpar picture just for 20ms less lag? That's just stupid to me
Samsung KS8000 improved from 100ms to 22ms in game mode 4K HDR. Why can't Vizio. Paid 2K for this TV and expect it to be top of the line.
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Really like my 2016 Vizio P Series (65inch), but would like to see 4K HDR input lag somewhere in the 20ms-30ms. Would this be possible? Realistic in a future patch? Thanks
This was posted by Matt McRae back on Sept 25:

"In my previous post I mentioned that we are reworking our HDR10 pipeline to support 4:2:0 better for Xbox. As part of that rework we are attempting to pull down the HDR10 lag to near 0ms. That means we would end up with the following:

- HDMI 1-4 in SDR = 45ms
- HDMI 5 in SDR = 15ms
- HDMI 1-4 in HDR10 = 45ms
- HDMI 1-4 in DolbyVision = 60ms

A couple of notes:

First, frame rate has a lot to do with lag. The above are calculated using 60fps. But 30fps would be slower and 120fps would be faster."
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Samsung KS8000 improved from 100ms to 22ms in game mode 4K HDR. Why can't Vizio. Paid 2K for this TV and expect it to be top of the line.
If Vizio promised 15ms input lag, but only delivered 80 or something, then yes, I would think you'd have a legitimate gripe, but otherwise no. Complaining about something they didn't sell you on doesn't make much sense to me.

For me, I bought a P50-c1, because it had a good price, and could support both HDR formats (which is a PITA unto itself). I consider it a huge step up over what I had before, FW updates/features are usually gravy.

If you're concern is about input lag,then the buying decision should've based around that, remember Vizio happened to add HDR10 in a FW update, they could make more improvements, or it could just be that the panel and HW is better suited to movies, and it can support both formats, but in the end, it could primarily be a display for movies and TV, and this might be the best the HW can do.

Next year, all the OEMs will have something better and faster than this year too, you just have to decide when to jump in and what's acceptable.
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Did anyone here ever try to compare p75 with x940d? I understand 940d lacks DV, only HDR 10. Both seem to have good local dimming. Wondering however on the input lag for HDMI ports for gaming on ps4 pro with HDR/4k... Hard to find in such detail for sony...
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This was posted by Matt McRae back on Sept 25:

"In my previous post I mentioned that we are reworking our HDR10 pipeline to support 4:2:0 better for Xbox. As part of that rework we are attempting to pull down the HDR10 lag to near 0ms. That means we would end up with the following:

- HDMI 1-4 in SDR = 45ms
- HDMI 5 in SDR = 15ms
- HDMI 1-4 in HDR10 = 45ms
- HDMI 1-4 in DolbyVision = 60ms

A couple of notes:

First, frame rate has a lot to do with lag. The above are calculated using 60fps. But 30fps would be slower and 120fps would be faster."
Thank you for this, but find it contradicting. First, they are trying to pull down the HDR10 input lag to near 0ms, but then states that would mean - HDMI 1-4 in HDR10 = 45ms. So which one is it? Can someone help me understand this? Does it mean the lowest possibly is 45ms for 4k HDR? Or that they are working to bring HDR10 input lag to near 0ms, but for now, we'll get 45ms. Can someone please clarify. Thanks so much in advance.
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As one of the apparent "whiners", I say lets try to take a calm look at this from multiple perspectives

Some of us actually have jobs and other more important things going on in life and actually go...gasp...a few days or even weeks without checking this thread. I personally stopped my daily checks once the discussions moved to being almost entirely gaming related. Which is absolutely fine since it represents use cases of the owners of the P-series, but since I was generally happy with my display after the last production release my participation went down.

I didn't "beg" for anything. Many months ago when the production firmware that supported HDR10 was released, I took Matt up on his offer to get it early. I had no complaints when Matt gave early access to the next production release to the same list since it was stable and seemed to only make things better.

Now, Matt went ahead and offered beta firmware to this group, which I think was an amazing gesture that I 100% want Vizio to keep doing for those who want it. I still can't believe the support and interaction Vizio is offering to its owners. I have never regretted my purchase of my P compared to the Sony 930D I had originally ordered.

That said, I think that if Matt is able to, separate lists for "early production" and "beta" would be great. If that is too much overhead, I'm happy to be taken off the single list so others can continue to get betas as Vizo works on HDR gaming support.



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Mat McRae gave everyone an opportunity to be removed from the Beta update list before it was pushed out.

If you were not paying attention when this happened it is not Vizio's fault, you should not have asked to be put on an early release list in the first place.

The whiners complain for days they want to be included then complain if they are temporarily inconvenienced by the beta firmware.
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