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You have plenty of banding on those photos. I'd be more concerned with that large yellow spot in your 10% and 20% shots.

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Tried them again as maybe it wasn't focused. It's easier to see those imperfections in the photos than sitting here about 10ft back. As mentioned i think these high end cell cameras pick up more imperfections than the human eye but you guys know better than me.

Is what you see normal to majority of banding topics or is mine below the bar and worth getting another one? I really don't want to but if mine is bad, I will. Just don't know what is considered acceptable vs horrendous.

Feel like Costco will shoot me after this being my third TV but to be fair the first two were broke.

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You have plenty of banding on those photos. I'd be more concerned with that large yellow spot in your 10% and 20% shots.

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You are creating a monster with those comments... it's probably better just to smile and say it looks fine
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You are creating a monster with those comments... it's probably better just to smile and say it looks fine
I'm a tell it like it is guy. I'm not one to put frosting on things.... 😉

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Tried them again as maybe it wasn't focused. It's easier to see those imperfections in the photos than sitting here about 10ft back. As mentioned i think these high end cell cameras pick up more imperfections than the human eye but you guys know better than me.

Is what you see normal to majority of banding topics or is mine below the bar and worth getting another one? I really don't want to but if mine is bad, I will. Just don't know what is considered acceptable vs horrendous.

Feel like Costco will shoot me after this being my third TV but to be fair the first two were broke.

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Only you can make that call. If your only issue is some banding in some games and got are OK with overlooking it... Then overlook it. If you're not on with it, them you need to call Vizio and start a case.
These photos look better yes but, I do see your left side it yellower than the right still. Again, you're the one looking at it everyday.

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I'm a tell it like it is guy. I'm not one to put frosting on things.... 😉
Me too.

I'm just happy that my P50 is in my kids' media room upstairs. They aren't nearly as picky when playing GTA V on XB1S as I am when watching Deadpool on UHD blu-ray.

In our main room we have the 65" Sharp N9000u -- 3M quantum dot display, HDR10, 120hz native, 240 zone FALD. That is a beast of a TV that when I grabbed it two weeks ago was just $150 more than the Vizio P50 retails for (which, I got from someone moving out of Boston for $300...).

I was not (and am still not) particularly impressed with the P50. Had I paid full price for what I believed was a top-line TV, I'd be pretty disappointed.

At $300 I love...
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Only you can make that call. If your only issue is some banding in some games and got are OK with overlooking it... Then overlook it. If you're not on with it, them you need to call Vizio and start a case.
These photos look better yes but, I do see your left side it yellower than the right still. Again, you're the one looking at it everyday.

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It's more so when there is fast movement on a static color like football field green or white snow. I'm still within Costco 90 day window. Wonder if they would replace again.

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What are those photos you posted next to mine and what do they mean? Thoughts on my TV and worth swapping?

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What are those photos you posted next to mine and what do they mean? Thoughts on my TV and worth swapping?

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Artificial enhancement to bring out the issues......I think the advise that has been given is good thus far.


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Artificial enhancement to bring out the issues......I think the advise that has been given is good thus far.


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OK. It seems like every photo you artificially enhanced has issues like this. Guess it's a 1 in 50 chance of getting a perfect one and the rest will be the same as mine. Not even sure Costco would swap out at this point even within 90 days without reason. So torn at this point

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How are you people who want to watch Amazon Video go about it? Do you have a Roku or another streaming device? I really hate this stupid rivalry Google and Amazon has. All I want to do is watch The Grand Tour in pretty 4K, is that too much to ask!


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OK. It seems like every photo you artificially enhanced has issues like this. Guess it's a 1 in 50 chance of getting a perfect one and the rest will be the same as mine. Not even sure Costco would swap out at this point even within 90 days without reason. So torn at this point

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I don't do it I just know what's being done...I've stated my thoughts on the practice and have kept it to myself since.......

I wouldn't say 1-50 at all....Costco will take it back from past reports as long as it's within return period (haven't seen anyone have issues). The risk you take is getting something worse.


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If anyone here is STILL moaning about Atmos and DD+ while casting to a Denon receiver, it's easily fixed. You just have to, you know, read what I've said a thousand times and countless others have done. It works EVERY TIME.

Go into the Vizio app. Settings. Audio turn speakers to Auto.
Not sure I was specifically moaning but I did raise this issue, so probably guilty. Anyway, happy to say your fix did work on my Yamaha so good to go again. Thank you.

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Agreed. Plex has always transcoded DTS to DD for me. That is until this firmware update where it now transcodes to PCM Stereo. The Cast firmware update must be misreporting some capability back to Plex. The odd thing is AC3 and EAC3 still casts from Plex properly as DD and DD+.
Can confirm that 3.0.12.2 is causing my DTS sources to send PCM Stereo through ARC.
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Like many other posters here, my Harmony remote stopped properly selecting the Cast input when my P75 was upgraded to 3.0.12.2. While I've seen the posts on how to fix this by telling the Harmony app to select the Component input instead, I believe I've found a better approach.



What I did was delete the Vizio P75-C1 from my Harmony and add a Vizio M65-C1 instead. I chose that model as it was one of the more recent models before Vizio shifted from their own Smart TV platform to the current system of embedding Google Cast. I figured this would give me access to a wider array of Vizio TV IR commands and that one of those would give me direct access to the Cast input via a discrete IR code. I had previously tried this approach under the old firmware but had no luck. I'm not sure if I just missed it last time or if this is a feature of the new firmware but the M65-C1 command set does indeed now have a discrete IR code that selects my P75's Cast Input.



The command in question is called VIA in Harmony's database and the input Harmony has it associated with is called Vizio Internet Apps. Once I figured this out, I went and edited the list of inputs on my "M65-C1" device and deselected all the extraneous inputs (such as the ones they had for Amazon and Vudu) until I was left with inputs our P-Series TVs support: HDMI 1-5, Component, and Vizio Internet Apps (aka, the Cast input). I then reran setup for all my TV related activities and input selection is now working flawlessly and without the annoying Input Component, Input Next, Input Next sequence the Harmony does when configured to use the P-Series command set.



While I was at it I tested all of the other M65-C1 IR commands to see if they did anything useful. Most didn't but I did find a few that were useful:




FastForward & Rewind: Act like a "next/previous chapter" buttons in some Cast applications such as Netflix and YouTube. So, if I'm binge watching a series on Netflix (or have queued up several videos on YouTube) I can jump to the next episode/video by pressing FastForward. This is a nice way to blast past the 30 second count down Netflix shows before starting the next episode.



Stop: Exits the current cast application and returns to the Cast's slideshow/backdrop.


One additional discovery I made along the way was that the "Play" command Harmony had under both the P75 and M65 profiles was causing the next "Pause" command to be ignored. In other words, if I would Pause a Cast video, then resume with Play, the next time I wanted to pause, I'd have to press "Pause" twice. I don't recall seeing this discussed before but I've only been following this thread for the last few months so maybe I missed it or maybe this issue is unique to my particular setup. Anyway, my solution was to map my Harmony's Play and Pause buttons to both issue the "Pause" command. This seems to work much better for me and I no longer have to remember to avoid the Play button when Casting.



Finally, the M65 command set doesn't have the "Link" command that's needed to pair the TV with the Tablet. I simply used the Harmony learning functionality to add that command using the mini remote that comes with the TV.



I've been using this setup all weekend now and feel that my Harmony remote and Vizio are working perfectly together. It is also nice to have the additional transport controls even if they are still pretty limited.



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Ok. For the past 6 months, my P50 and xbox one S have been getting along great. Im on the early beta list thanks to Matt. For the past 2 days, whether im streaming hulu/netflix, or gaming, the p50 flashes to black 2x very quickly. This might have been covered in the past, I havent seen it. Again, latest beta firmware, running direct from xbone S to P50. I havent changed anything in my setup.

Just trying to find out if its the vizio or xbox, and why this started happening all of a sudden. *I tried another hdmi cable, still happens*

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OK everyone. I am out. I am done with Vizio. My replacement P75 has the split screen effect. The right half of the screen is darker than the left half. It is harder to notice exactly straight on. However, from an angle it is just absolutely unacceptable. I have two pictures that show it below. It was an issue that was very prevalent in the beginning so I can only assume I got a refurbished Tv that got past their quality inspection with the defect.

Any way. I just can't go on with endless returns like this. I am going to switch to Sony I believe. They are the only other ones with 1080p @ 120 FPS. I need to wait for the 940E I guess because I need Dolby Vision as well.

Any suggestions on what to replace it with are welcome. I know this is the P-series thread and I am not trying to bash Vizio. I absolutely love the features of the Tv but I simply cannot accept the endless issues and numerous repairs. Everyone knows that I have been a Vizio fan from the beginning. I have never had any issues with quality for my other Vizio TVs until this P-series.

Hopefully, @Matt McRae will see this post. This is a serious problem. When your biggest fans are experiencing multiple issues you have a real PR nightmare.



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So does anyone know if Matt is still involved with this set ever since this last release he has gone pretty much silent which is odd considering this is a high end tv with so much potential .


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For the past week I've had terrible connection issues. Just now trying to watch a normal blueray on my Xbox one s the picture went out and didn't come back until I changed inputs and changed back. This is what myself and everyone else who has been on this beta since last year are frustrated about, that this beta with more issues than we had previously is what's being distributed and no mention of a time frame on when we can expect fixes. The previous beta had fewer issues. Hopefully soon we get word from Matt to help calm our nerves heh


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OK everyone. I am out. I am done with Vizio. My replacement P75 has the split screen effect. The right half of the screen is darker than the left half. It is harder to notice exactly straight on. However, from an angle it is just absolutely unacceptable. I have two pictures that show it below. It was an issue that was very prevalent in the beginning so I can only assume I got a refurbished Tv that got past their quality inspection with the defect.

Any way. I just can't go on with endless returns like this. I am going to switch to Sony I believe. They are the only other ones with 1080p @ 120 FPS. I need to wait for the 940E I guess because I need Dolby Vision as well.

Any suggestions on what to replace it with are welcome. I know this is the P-series thread and I am not trying to bash Vizio. I absolutely love the features of the Tv but I simply cannot accept the endless issues and numerous repairs. Everyone knows that I have been a Vizio fan from the beginning. I have never had any issues with quality for my other Vizio TVs until this P-series.

Hopefully, @Matt McRae will see this post. This is a serious problem. When your biggest fans are experiencing multiple issues you have a real PR nightmare.
It's really unfortunate that not only are you having these issues, but that they have also caused you to move away from Vizio. A lot of what you have posted in the past influenced me to not only purchase this TV but helped with a lot of my setup and settings for similar use cases. I hope whatever TV you end up with that you're not plagued with any more issues. All your great input with be missed!
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So does anyone know if Matt is still involved with this set ever since this last release he has gone pretty much silent which is odd considering this is a high end tv with so much potential .


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I wouldn't say he's gone silent, but have other responsibilities. CTO, not tech support.

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I wouldn't say he's gone silent, but have other responsibilities. CTO, not tech support.

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Right but he got everyone involved in this beta program deal . I'm just hoping things are being worked on because this tv is an amazing piece of equipment and can shine so much more than it currently is


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Right but he got everyone involved in this beta program deal . I'm just hoping things are being worked on because this tv is an amazing piece of equipment and can shine so much more than it currently is


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I don't doubt it's being worked on, everything that we have complained about, Matt McRae has come through on most if not all of them.

Truth is, he should have never agreed to start a beta program. Because, this is what it has gotten us.

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I don't doubt it's being worked on, everything that we have complained about, Matt McRae has come through on most if not all of them.

Truth is, he should have never agreed to start a beta program. Because, this is what it has gotten us.

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Totally agree . Here is hoping . I think this tv has a lot of potential to unlock


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I'm lost here I have the harmony elite with huh setup and when I want to cast it automatically takes me to the cast input .. and when I'm done I just got my living room activity and everything goes back ..
You're right that the TV will automatically switch to the Cast input when you start casting from an application. However, at that point your Harmony becomes out-of-sync with the TV. For example, if I start casting when the Harmony is in an activity that expects the TV to be on HDMI 1, turn off the system, and then try to restart the HDMI 1 activity it doesn't start correctly because the Harmony "believes" the TV is still on HDMI 1 and won't bother to resend that command. It sounds like you are correcting for this by restarting your "living room" activity or using the help/fix feature when you're done casting. I simply prefer to do this before casting by starting my Harmony "Cast" activity first.

As a plus my Harmony remote can then be used to pause/resume and advance to the previous/next episode or video of whatever I'm casting. This means that I can typically leave the tablet on the coffee table and still control most things with my Harmony, which I find much easier to use when I need to quickly pause a show because my phone or doorbell is ringing.

Note that I'm not trying to say your way is "wrong" and my way is "right." I think it is simply a matter of personal preference. For those of us that prefer to keep our remote in sync with the TV at all times, using the M65 command set gives our Harmonys faster and more reliable access to the Cast input and, as a bonus, a few more basic transport controls.

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How are you people who want to watch Amazon Video go about it? Do you have a Roku or another streaming device? I really hate this stupid rivalry Google and Amazon has. All I want to do is watch The Grand Tour in pretty 4K, is that too much to ask!


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I use the Amazon Video app from my Samsung K8500 UHD BluRay player. Works like a charm, and I can tell you that the show in 4K HDR is stunning!
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You're right that the TV will automatically switch to the Cast input when you start casting from an application. However, at that point your Harmony becomes out-of-sync with the TV. For example, if I start casting when the Harmony is in an activity that expects the TV to be on HDMI 1, turn off the system, and then try to restart the HDMI 1 activity it doesn't start correctly because the Harmony "believes" the TV is still on HDMI 1 and won't bother to resend that command. It sounds like you are correcting for this by restarting your "living room" activity or using the help/fix feature when you're done casting. I simply prefer to do this before casting by starting my Harmony "Cast" activity first.



As a plus my Harmony remote can then be used to pause/resume and advance to the previous/next episode or video of whatever I'm casting. This means that I can typically leave the tablet on the coffee table and still control most things with my Harmony, which I find much easier to use when I need to quickly pause a show because my phone or doorbell is ringing.



Note that I'm not trying to say your way is "wrong" and my way is "right." I think it is simply a matter of personal preference. For those of us that prefer to keep our remote in sync with the TV at all times, using the M65 command set gives our Harmonys faster and more reliable access to the Cast input and, as a bonus, a few more basic transport controls.



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So does anyone know if Matt is still involved with this set ever since this last release he has gone pretty much silent which is odd considering this is a high end tv with so much potential .


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Matt sent out a response on Twitter last week that he has been away from AVS due to travel obligations. He also said that this is not the final firmware release and numerous fixes and features are still in the pipeline. Also said he'd try to be back on AVS by this week.
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So does anyone know if Matt is still involved with this set ever since this last release he has gone pretty much silent which is odd considering this is a high end tv with so much potential .


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This is his tweet from 5 days ago:


"Nothing in final :-) Continuing to update & are tracking the backlight & other issues. Plus new features coming soon."


He's still involved. Last I checked this is still their current top of the line product, not including the R, which is irrelevant at this point. He/They have made some puzzling decisions lately regarding the firmware but at the end of the day he has always made things right, or at least tried to. I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt for now. He also tweeted that he will make an appearance here at AVS some time this week, so let's just wait and see what information he has for us then.

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