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...Many people seem stuck on calibrating to,
pushing their 10% grayscale luminance way up...
when I do that, things look gray... I want my inky blacks!

I'm trying to do this with the 5%. What controls this or
is it 'internal' and not user-adjustable?

At times, I think some content is too inky-black for me.

Most of the time, I'm using Gamma 1.8 for NetFlix.


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I'm trying to do this with the 5%. What controls this or
is it 'internal' and not user-adjustable?

At times, I think some content is too inky-black for me.

Most of the time, I'm using Gamma 1.8 for NetFlix
Sorry, am not sure what you mean. Yes, you can adjust all of the 11-pt grayscale settings, including 5%, 10%, 20%. I only referenced 10 as an example, but I see a lot of people, even in the calibration thread, with something like 10%: 35, 40, 30.
Maybe you would prefer a BT.1886, but I wouldn't arbitrarily increase those values without a meter + cal. software.


Re: Netflix.. some of their DV content is mastered pretty dark.. best bet to increase accurately is in fact to adjust the gamma.. so yeah, 1.8 is not bad for example w/ DareDevil in a bright room!
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I'm trying to do this with the 5%. What controls this or
is it 'internal' and not user-adjustable?

At times, I think some content is too inky-black for me.

Most of the time, I'm using Gamma 1.8 for NetFlix.


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Hmm, I just checked out the color tuner settings linked in your sig.. can't believe you are adjusting 11-pt "by eye"!
Your 10% green setting to -10 is likely crushing your blacks, put that back to 0 and go back to default 2.1 gamma and see what you think

Do you adjust offset + gain? That's about the only thing I would think about adjusting without a meter, and even then, I would leave the green alone so you don't mess w/ the luminance
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It's been a while since I've checked in here. Can anyone tell me about an update for the horrible FLAD issue with blooming? (am I using the right terminology here? Basically, the light behind subtitles/credits/etc is really distracting as it lights up an entire portion of the screen instead of just the area it's supposed to light up).

I'm on the beta update list, haven't had an update in a while to my knowledge, currently on 3.0.14.0. Just wondering if this is an issue being worked on for the next update, if there's any talk of when that might happen, or just SOL?

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I find it depends on content + settings. One thing to try would just be to lower your backlight. It is most noticeable when watching in a dark room with backlight cranked too high.
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I'm assuming that you mean that you're using the Amazon Fire TV with it?
Yes, using the Tablet
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Nope.... Says it lost connection at 76% and now it says it's up to date. What a stupid setup Vizio has.

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Mine finished, said it couldn't find the file... And now says it's up to date
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You should be able to set the xbox to send 5.1.
If you are having trouble with the settings you can always just hook the xbox up to the sound bar via optical


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Thank you for the advice, I guess the only downfall of this would be that I have to switch the sound bar between HDMI and Optical depending on which device (Xbox One, TV) I am using.

Would an AVR be beneficial at all in my case?
If you connect the Xbox to the display and the display passes audio to the soundbar through ARC, the Xbox doesn't see a 5.1 connection, so any surround output options will show an error and default back to stereo. You need to select bitstream HDMI on the Xbox in order to pass surround to the soundbar, and make sure surround is enabled in the display's audio settings.

The display can be set to pass bitstream or Dolby audio to the SB4451. Both work so it just comes down to preference, and I haven't run into any surround issues with either. I also have the Xbox One S and SB4451.

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Tablet updated today. I immediately noticed the snappy response, and some fancy animated button presses and transitions. I'm surprised that this $5 tablet runs quicker with the new OS.

FWIW, the tablet now can remain powered off while on the charging stand, no more unintended rebooting on the stand.
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Mine finished, said it couldn't find the file... And now says it's up to date
Do this, power your tablet off. Power it back on using power and volume down until the first thing appears on the screen, then release both buttons.

A menu will pop up, use the volume buttons to navigate to "wipe partition cache". Use the power button to select it.

This will take a while, so you have to be patient. Once it's done, choose reboot. When it's done rebooting, search for software update.

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Tablet updated today. I immediately noticed the snappy response, and some fancy animated button presses and transitions. I'm surprised that this $5 tablet runs quicker with the new OS.

FWIW, the tablet now can remain powered off while on the charging stand, no more unintended rebooting on the stand.
Did you check out the Google Home app?

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I have a P50 for 3 months which now seems to have colors washed out on left side watching dead center also some dark spots noticeable on every program in semi to bright scenes. Called Vizio, went through process (explaining situation & sent pics) & they authorized a replacement. They said they'll be sending a re certified display. My question is do they just send out re certified for replacements instead of new? Should I be concerned?
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I have a P50 for 3 months which now seems to have colors washed out on left side watching dead center also some dark spots noticeable on every program in semi to bright scenes. Called Vizio, went through process (explaining situation & sent pics) & they authorized a replacement. They said they'll be sending a re certified display. My question is do they just send out re certified for replacements instead of new? Should I be concerned?
Nothing to worry about regarding the re-certified replacement. My first P65 had washed out colors on the left side as well. It was replaced due to another issue, and my replacement was a re-certified display. I had the same trepidation that you have, but the re-certified display was waaaaaaay better than my original display. If I hadn't been told it was re-certified, I would not have known. It looked brand new, had the film on the bezel, and most importantly had an amazing, washed out color free picture.
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Nothing to worry about regarding the re-certified replacement. My first P65 had washed out colors on the left side as well. It was replaced due to another issue, and my replacement was a re-certified display. I had the same trepidation that you have, but the re-certified display was waaaaaaay better than my original display. If I hadn't been told it was re-certified, I would not have known. It looked brand new, had the film on the bezel, and most importantly had an amazing, washed out color free picture.
Thank u! Your reply put me at ease. Vizio support was awesome. They told me that do not for any reason sign off on replacement until fully inspected including powering it up & checking how it looks, so in other words don't let the delivery guys leave until satisfied. Thanks again!
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Just picked up my p55-c1 today, playing around with the smartcast and when I search for a show I know is on Netflix or Hulu, it only gives me fandango or vudu(both pay options) to choose from. Why is this?
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Just picked up my p55-c1 today, playing around with the smartcast and when I search for a show I know is on Netflix or Hulu, it only gives me fandango or vudu(both pay options) to choose from. Why is this?
Use the Google Home App. Download it from the play store if u haven't done so! It's a very good app which u can search programs that are on Hulu, Netflix & others to cast. Press the blue search on bottom right, name the program your looking for & it will show up on whatever video streamer that has it.
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Color Setting / Cosmos Laundromat is Back!

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Forgive me if this has been asked already, but what is the general
consensus for changing the color settings in HDR modes?

I know the default for DV is 50 and the default for HDR10 is 58.
I've noticed that some of the calibration settings in this thread reduce that 8-10 clicks.

I know that each panel is different, but would
defaults for Calibrated and Calibrated Dark be accurate?

50 is the default Color setting. Accuracy is as only good as the source.
If I don't like the color at 50 for a particular movie or show, I adjust the
color, and sometimes the tint. Whether it was intended by the director
or not, I do not like 'weak' color. I'll move up to 60, 65 or 70 if need be.

For example, 'Meridian' is HDR at 60VF. It won't play in HDR via the
Tablet-to-Display. The 60fps/HDR Tablet-to-Display chain doesn't
work unless one has another device that will play the HDR at 60VF.

My SDR Pic Setup for 'Meridian':

Off ABC
100 BackLight (80 if it's too bright for you)
48 Brightness
44 Contrast
85 Color
-7 Tint
0 Sharp
2.2 Gamma
Off Black Detail (Try with it On, too.)
ALZ Off (Too much darkness and less dynamic punch with it On, for darker scenes. I'm using ALZ Off lately for all content.)

The 'inky-blacks' would be there with ALZ off, but that was changed in
a previous Firmware where the Backlight doesn't go black enough like
it use to. Still, I'm more impressed with the overall dynamics in
viewing movies/shows with ALZ off, lately. Seemingly goes against
what ALZ is all about with the P-Series, but this is what I'm finding
for me, anyway.


Hey everyone, Cosmos Laundromat is back on NetFlix if your previous
searching came up empty!

Do a search with 'HDR' and two Cosmos Laundromats come up.

The 12-minute version and get this... a 10 Hour and 26 minute version!
It is the 12-minute version played over and over for over 10 hours!

If you haven't seen what HDR can do, check out Cosmos Laundromat.

My Cosmos Laundromat HDR Pic Settings:

Off - ABC
40 - BackLight
48 - Brightness
44 - Contrast
50 - Color
0 - Tint
0-to-2 - Sharpness
1.8 - Gamma
Off - Black Detail
ALZ - Off
Auto - Film
10 - Judder
Normal - Color Temperature

Looks great to me with these settings on my P50-C1.


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Sorry, am not sure what you mean.
Yes, you can adjust all of the 11-pt
grayscale settings, including 5%, 10%, 20%.

I only referenced 10 as an example, but I see a
lot of people, even in the Calibration Thread,
with something like 10%: 35, 40, 30.

Maybe you would prefer a BT.1886, but I wouldn't
arbitrarily increase those values without a meter + cal. software.


Hi k124,

Oh, I just don't arbitrarily adjust, I use my 'eye-meter' for the
best looking gray I can see. Sure it's not meter-accurate,
but from what it was out-of-the-box, it's a LOT better.

I've been doing this since the M-40 unit, the 2014 P50, and
now my current P50. Lots of practice.

Re: Netflix.. some of their DV content is mastered pretty dark..
best bet to increase accurately is in fact to adjust the gamma..
so yeah, 1.8 is not bad for example w/ DareDevil in a bright room!

Hmm, I just checked out the color tuner settings linked in your
sig.. can't believe you are adjusting 11-pt "by eye"!


Yeah, I got so fed-up with the crappy grayscale back in 2013.
That started my 'By-Eye' adventure.

Your 10% green setting to -10 is likely crushing your blacks,
put that back to 0 and go back to default 2.1 gamma and see
what you think.


I thought Gamma 2.2 was/is the default?

Anyway, I think you were looking at my older setup.
My latest published settings are attached below.

I remember reading from a Calibration Thread about not messing
with the Green Loomy thing, so I try not to do that. This latest
By-Eye Adjustment had me only adjusting the Blue. All are on
the 'plus' side.

I thought the 5% would be a 'Black Level' adjuster. It's the 10%
Bar?

Do you adjust offset + gain? That's about the only thing I would
think about adjusting without a meter, and even then, I would
leave the green alone so you don't mess w/ the luminance.


Adjusting the 11-Point is easier than it was with the earlier
models. So, I leave the 2-point as is, especially since recent
Firmware Releases has the Normal CT near spot-on. This
allows me to fine-tune each 11-Point Bar to look gray.

My latest setup has the best grayscale ever, by eye.
B&W content look great now, along with color content.

I really hated watching B&W stuff that had shades of pinks
and purples and greens, etc... in 2013-to-2015+.

My latest touch-up was using the AVS 709 Color Clipping
YouTube video.

I adjusted the Saturation and Brightness levels to have all
the Flashing Bars go near 255. The Green looked too much
like a Fluorescent Green vs the 'flatter-looking' Red and Blue.

Now they look all the same and even the CYM colors look
better.

I'll put those numbers up if I keep that as is.


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Should make a separate thread. It's taking way too
much space for something that honestly does very little.


Oh, but there is a separate Tablet Message Thread.

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[Darn] Tablet, it doesn't let you exit
out but the only choice is [OK].


You can exit out of it by using the Left Arrow at the bottom of the Tabby's screen.

Also, some certain situations have that Arrow pointing downward to exit out of something.

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I had some motion issues here and there as well.
I use to use GLL: On, and that seemed to help, mostly.

With the latest update, I have GLL: off and blur and judder at 0.
That seems to work best for motion across the board on all of my sources.

Even with blur and judder at 0, I think there is some motion
processing going on that GLL: on turns off.


I have the P50, so I have no Blur setting. GLL on or off did nothing for me
with the motion problem. It was horrid, until the Power Cycling. Next, I
would have done a full-blown Factory Reset. Have you done either one?

I think I'll try Judder 0 for a bit, but I have a feeling I'll end up with Judder
1, 2, or 3. 4 is borderline and starting to make films look like a video.

With a test video I ran, any Judder setting from 1-thru-10 introduces parts
of objects being ripped and torn apart. It's not always up-front in obvious
but when it shows up during regular viewing... it's ugly. If only Vizio
can perfect it. Maybe it can't be done, I dunno.

GLL On acts like a 'freeze-frame' and edge-sharpener. It's ugly for film-content
viewing. It's meant for gamers, anyway.


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Does the inbuilt casting function not do 4k 60fps?
I have tried a few YouTube videos and they all show
(or at least indicate on the tablet) that they are 4k 30fps?

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Casting maxes at 30hz.
You'll have to use an external device to get 60fps.


Maxes at 30VF for YouTube?

There's a NetFlix Test Pattern video that plays fine
at 4K/60VF. (Not HDR, though.)


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Should make a separate thread it's taking way too much space for something that honestly does very little . It's a tad faster and that's it


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That's the same way I feel about the "gamer" talk that goes on on this thread (since I'm not a gamer) but I have to live with that as well.
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Well, I totally forget to check before I bought it, I bought a P65, but the absence of the Amazon app is quite annoying. Also, I think I'm going to have to get used to this tablet remote. Other than that, I am going to have to wait until tonight to see how dark scenes look on this TV.
You are right about that. I have to use my PS4 PRO to watch Amazon. Or I could use my fire stick, but it's the first gen version. Everything looks great on this display so far.

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That's the same way I feel about the "gamer" talk that goes on on this thread (since I'm not a gamer) but I have to live with that as well.
+1

Reading this thread I have the impression that the Vizio comes with the xbox1s. This is the Vizio P Series Owners thread. Owning the Vizio P means owning the tablet. The xbox1s on the other hand...
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Forgive me if this has been asked already, but what is the general consensus for changing the color settings in HDR modes? I know the default for DV is 50 and the default for HDR10 is 58. I've noticed that some of the calibration settings in this thread reduce that 8-10 clicks.

I know that each panel is different, but would defaults for Calibrated and Calibrated Dark be accurate? I don't have a meter to test. Thanks in advance.


When we put a meter on the screen to measure color, 58 is over saturated with HDR10 material. 50 is pretty much right on. HDR Calibration is still pretty new, so I myself wonder the same thing since it's so new. Believe me I hate lowering the Color setting and wonder if I am making it worse....but idk. That's what the charts show are accurate.


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You are right about that. I have to use my PS4 PRO to watch Amazon. Or I could use my fire stick, but it's the first gen version. Everything looks great on this display so far.

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I used TLoU set on HDR, with it set to calibrated dark, and I think my old TV spoiled me in terms of brightness. It was also more vibrant. However, the light control is pretty decent on this.
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Did you check out the Google Home app?

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It's not new.... Just that it's included might be new. I've been using it for sometime now.

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It's not new.... Just that it's included might be new. I've been using it for sometime now.

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I assume you got the update to complete.

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When we put a meter on the screen to measure color, 58 is over saturated with HDR10 material. 50 is pretty much right on. HDR Calibration is still pretty new, so I myself wonder the same thing since it's so new. Believe me I hate lowering the Color setting and wonder if I am making it worse....but idk. That's what the charts show are accurate.


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Thanks for the response (and thanks @CleCakYngMfd for yours as well). I feel the same as you. I've calibrated sets before and I'm more about accuracy than anything. As much as it pains me and my OCD, I've been playing with the gamma setting for both HDR10 and DV and find that 2.0 seems to suit some material better. 1.8 gives way to macroblocking in darker areas of the picture, and I prefer not to touch brightness.

I also refuse to turn ALZ off outside of calibration. Doing so makes black bars grey and content, while a bit brighter, lacks punch. Contrast ration is definitely lower with it off as well, so you kind of defeat the purpose of HDR on this set at that point.

For HDR games, I'm finding 1.8 gamma works, along with keeping color at 58. I'm looking at getting a new meter and picking up Calman, but I'm still floored by the Vizio with the stock settings. Just going by eye, it's one of the most accurate, out of the box sets I've seen in a while.

And beard, your calibration settings look great on my set. I didn't use the grayscale settings as they had a negative impact on my particular set. I just wanted to say thanks for posting those!

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