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Official Vizio 2016 P Series Owners Thread (UHD/HDR/DV) No Price Talk Please

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so im on my third p55-c1. purchased at costco in canada. Am i just unlucky and keep getting lemons or am i missing something. Any advice is greatly appreciated.



TV one, this happened randomly and multiple times:



Turning it off and on made it go away but it happened multiple tomes



TV two had a random crescent in the middle on the right side that was visible with any solid color like this:





TV three randomly turns on and off and from time to time looks like it has curtains appear until i turn it off and on. sometimes it flashes and goes away.





should i just return it and get something else or just exchange? problem with a return is all the deals for tvs are done for the most part and id need to spend more to get something of comparable quality.



Any ideas or advice? im really at my wits end.


I had to return my first P55 purchased from Costco Canada, due to excessive flash lighting. My second one was near perfect. Totally up to you. Keep trying the panel lottery. They should be able to honour the price. Call concierge service to inquire about it. What about requesting a verified replacement directly from Vizio??


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I have an external 500gb hard drive with USB cable. Will it function the same as a USB stick when plugged in for videos?

Does it have to be formatted a certain way? If it has to be Fat32 I know that only supports 2gb files.

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If you have any full uncompressed Blu Ray rips on that 500 gig drive, and you're looking for playback with the HD Audio in tact, Dunes, NUCs, Chromeboxes, Nvidia Shields, and Odroid C2's are the most-often-recommended weapons of choice.

If your files/content/needs aren't that demanding, in terms of bitrates, any old Roku or FireTV-esque solution will work for you, at lower cost and requiring less elbow grease.

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If you have any full uncompressed Blu Ray rips on that 500 gig drive, and you're looking for playback with the HD Audio in tact, Dunes, NUCs, Chromeboxes, Nvidia Shields, and Odroid C2's are the most-often-recommended weapons of choice.

If your files/content/needs aren't that demanding, in terms of bitrates, any old Roku or FireTV-esque solution will work for you, at lower cost and requiring less elbow grease.

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I have an old WDTV that plays all my 1080p files in mkv, TS, Mp4 without issues.

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Get a dedicated media player and be done with it. The P series wasn't really designed with direct media playing "in mind". While it does off automatic playback, the hoops you have to jump through make it not worth it IMO. While they may add a media player in the future, dedicated media players will serve you much better.


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I've been thinking about this and what may be the new feature Matt was talking about. It brought me to supporting external storage. So you can download from NetFlix, Vudu, Fandango, Youtube and any other casting app that has a download feature. Playback would be handled by the apps.



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Hey bud. This is a normal thing to deal with no matter which TV you purchase nowadays. I went through 4 TVs from Samsung and Sony before settling with the Vizio. Even if it was a lemon I would still only exchange for a Vizio P or LG OLED as they are the best TVs/displays on the market these days. Sounds like you have had bad luck, but don't give up. I never liked the idea of calling it a lottery as lottery costs money, the odds of winning are astronomical and you can't exchange a ticket for a new one if you don't win. I like to think of it as a dice roll with 6 variations. I would stick with a 5 or higher and reroll on anything else.

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I'm very surprised by some of the wacky settings people are using here.
For Dolby Vision, use Calibrated or Calibrated Dark with EVERYTHING DEFAULT.
Don't even touch the Backlight - it doesn't do what you would expect it to.
The -only- thing you should change is the GAMMA
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Nah. Calibrated Dark by default, can be too bright at night, for me. That's what the
Backlight is for... to adjust for room lighting and my eyes. Leave 'Everything Default'?
No way. I also turn off the Noise Reduction features.

Matt already stated, whatever pic mode you're on, including Custom made ones, HDR
accounts for that. It is not a one-and-only-one setup for HDR. Is not this right, @shoman94
and @thomasfxlt ?

Vizio has done a really good job of dialing this thing in - unless you have very
expensive software + meter, you are almost certainly making the picture less accurate.


Most certainly less accurate? I'll challenge that. Every single Firmware Release
since my M40 (2013), P50 (2014), and my current P50 has been by default, out of
adjustment (less accurate) with the Grayscale, where my 'By-Eye' adjustments made
improvements.

Only recent Firmware Updates has the Grayscale close to spot-on. Even with that,
my A/B Test Pattern checks, show I still got better Grayscale vs the current Firmware
with my manual adjusting the 11-Point. I would've done just the 2-Point, but when
one or more of the 11-Point Bars are off, it was best for me to do the 11-Point.

One day when I get a decent digital camera, I'll post an A/B of the Grayscale. My
cheap candy bar cellphone puts a big pink hue spot in the center.

Why do you think the people here on AVS have their own meters/software to dial-in to
their specific panels? Thus, Firmware Updates can't put a perfect Grayscale to
each panel - just a hit-or-miss average. Why this is not done at the factory, I dunno -
a cost thing, I suppose.

So, my manual adjustments and test patterns vs a particular firmware default shows
to me I made improvements for the better - not worse. For if my setup made it
worse, I'd reset the Color Tuner and leave it at default.

Since I can't do anything with HDR adjusting, I have Tint at -2 to back-off on the
slightly overly-green Offset.

One day, I hope to pay for the CalMAN update and give it go, but until then, my
By-Eye adjusting works just fine.

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I have it on my P75 and it is working out for me; but if you have small children, I'd be a bit wary of this as a solution.
I bought it and tried using it and it was way too wobbly for me, particularly here in California. Just seemed like it was too heavy for the stand. I ended up getting a larger coffee table so I could use the stock stands. If anybody in Northern California wants the stand listed you can have it for free. Just taking up space in my garage right now.

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so im on my third p55-c1. purchased at costco in canada. Am i just unlucky and keep getting lemons or am i missing something. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

TV one, this happened randomly and multiple times:

Turning it off and on made it go away but it happened multiple tomes

TV two had a random crescent in the middle on the right side that was visible with any solid color like this:


TV three randomly turns on and off and from time to time looks like it has curtains appear until i turn it off and on. sometimes it flashes and goes away.


should i just return it and get something else or just exchange? problem with a return is all the deals for tvs are done for the most part and id need to spend more to get something of comparable quality.

Any ideas or advice? im really at my wits end.
I had the same issue as photo #3. You need a service call. They need to replace two internal panels. The problem has not resurfaced since I had them replaced.
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Not very sturdy, I take it?

The do have small children...

Also planning to set this on a wood surface... Scratching concerns?
The bottoms of the supports have felt pads so no issues with scratching. When you go to move the TV the supports start wobbling like one of those weight lifters in the Olympics who just tried to snatch and jerk too much weight.

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Anyone with a P50 ever have the 'Split Screen' problem?

I just had it happen recently.

I did a Power Cycle and it's gone for now.


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You don't want to do that, SDR settings are not compatible with HDR.
And lowering contrast lowers brightness of whites.

That disc isn't for calibrating HDR, you're lowering the nits of your display,
which is what HDR requires, your display peak brightness capabilities.

HDR doesn't use a traditional gamma curve, its absolute. You are really
handicapping your display for HDR viewing experience.


Well, even at Contrast of 44, some of the bright HDR peaks almost has
me reaching for my sunglasses. I'll move it back to 50 for my Custom
HDR Pic Mode. (But if I detect any peak-bright blow-outs, I'm moving
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Well, even at Contrast of 44, some of the bright HDR peaks almost has
me reaching for my sunglasses. I'll move it back to 50 for my Custom
HDR Pic Mode. (But if I detect any peak-bright blow-outs, I'm moving
the Contrast back down.)


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You shouldn't see any blowouts, if you have adjusted your backlight to correct the luminance bump in midtones.



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You shouldn't see any blowouts, if you have adjusted your
Backlight to correct the luminance bump in midtones.


Oh, yeah. That'd be 40-to-45 for my PeeFitty.

But, how many are at Contrast of 50 for SDR?
I was seeing blow-outs at 50, thus my lowering
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Oh, yeah. That'd be 40-to-45 for my PeeFitty.

But, how many are at Contrast of 50 for SDR?
I was seeing blow-outs at 50, thus my lowering
to 44.


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SDR Contrast adjustments are fine, mine is currently still at 50 because I just haven't taken the meter out to calibrate, since my first cal. Then, I had only needed to drop contrast down to 49.

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In my experience with Vizio, albeit not a P series, changing contrast from 50, even in SDR, will mess things up.
If you raise it, you'll simply make the display clip. If you lower it, you'll lower your display's native contrast, and you don't want to do that with an LCD.
In SDR it's better to lower your backlight if the display is too bright for you. Leave contrast at 50.

During my calibrations, I try my best to increase contrast, I don't see why anyone would want to lower it.
Yes, you have FALD, but nothing beats good old fashioned native contrast (with the addition of FALD).
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I never knew about these P series TV's until I just saw one at my friends house...all I could say is...WOW!!
Plus it's relatively "future proof", and at a price point where I could justify a 65" and still upgrade when the OLED's get to an affordable point..
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In my experience with Vizio, albeit not a P series,
changing contrast from 50, even in SDR, will mess things up.

If you raise it, you'll simply make the display clip.
If you lower it, you'll lower your display's native contrast,
and you don't want to do that with an LCD.

In SDR it's better to lower your backlight if the display
is too bright for you. Leave contrast at 50.

During my calibrations, I try my best to increase contrast,
I don't see why anyone would want to lower it.
Yes, you have FALD, but nothing beats good old fashioned
native contrast (with the addition of FALD).



Sorry, but with the latest Firmware, SDR Contrast 50 is
clipping according to two of the Disney WoW Disc Evaluation
pics. (Calibrated with ALZ Off.)

Even with Contrast at 44, there's plenty of dynamic in the content
I'm watching (lately with ALZ Off).

I'll recheck later one day and check it with other patterns and content.

My P50-C1 pic is awesome with my latest By-Eye Grayscale and
Contrast at 44. The Contrast has to go much lower than 44 to 'flatten
and dull it up' big time. SDR Contrast 44 still has quite a bit peak
brights. It's not a pic killer at 44. Believe me, I don't want a flatter
and duller pic. I want that dynamic punch, and I still do at 44.

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I don't use disney wow discs, I use actual patterns and a light meter.
You'd be surprised how much you lose by dropping contrast by 6 points. Compensating with a higher backlight level isn't "fixing" it.
But who am I to judge? Do what looks best to you.
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I had the same issue as photo #3. You need a service call. They need to replace two internal panels. The problem has not resurfaced since I had them replaced.
@R8der

I'm on my second P65 with this problem. Did Vizio know what the problem was when you told them about it? And how long ago did you have the parts replaced? I've been having this problem intermittently and it's the only issue major enough to make me not want to keep the TV.
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Don't spend one cent calibrating it. Put it on calibrated bright, 2.2 gamna, turn off all the usual picture enhancing junk, backlight to whatever looks good to you,
Could you specify the "picture enhancing junk" you are referring to?
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Could you specify the "picture enhancing junk" you are referring to?


Well judder, clear action, noise, block noise, all that junk that is not needed .


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Sorry, but with the latest Firmware, SDR Contrast 50 is
clipping according to two of the Disney WoW Disc Evaluation
pics. (Calibrated with ALZ Off.)

Even with Contrast at 44, there's plenty of dynamic in the content
I'm watching (lately with ALZ Off).

I'll recheck later one day and check it with other patterns and content.

My P50-C1 pic is awesome with my latest By-Eye Grayscale and
Contrast at 44. The Contrast has to go much lower than 44 to 'flatten
and dull it up' big time. SDR Contrast 44 still has quite a bit peak
brights. It's not a pic killer at 44. Believe me, I don't want a flatter
and duller pic. I want that dynamic punch, and I still do at 44.

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Either your wow disc is messed up or the player is.
I looked at multiple clipping patterns.... CalMAN, YouTube played from multiple devices and the HDR 10 patterns I bought played from multiple sources. For SDR clipping is right at 237. Just moving it to 49 raises the levels to 243 and raising it to 51 lowers them to 234.
Moving contrast is a bad idea... But hey.... It's your Display.

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Could you specify the "picture enhancing junk" you are referring to?
If he had equipment he would see things differently.

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Called my P75 in for the pink blotches... A new replacement is on its way once again.
I will repeat what many here have said. Vizio support is too notch.

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Two days into ownership and I was getting a vertical white line on the right edge. I turned it off and back on, and it was gone.
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Either your wow disc is messed up or the player is.
I looked at multiple clipping patterns.... CalMAN, YouTube played from multiple devices and the HDR 10 patterns I bought played from multiple sources. For SDR clipping is right at 237. Just moving it to 49 raises the levels to 243 and raising it to 51 lowers them to 234.
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Don't forget the AVR, can cause clipping as well, assuming its in the supply chain.

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I'm on my second P65 with this problem. Did Vizio know what the problem was when you told them about it? And how long ago did you have the parts replaced? I've been having this problem intermittently and it's the only issue major enough to make me not want to keep the TV.
They played dumb on the phone, and told me to do a Master Reset and call back if the problem replicated. I pushed hard letting them know I had done several Master Resets and it did nothing. I finally told the rep that I needed to talk to her boss because her stance was ridiculous. Three minutes on hold later and I was assigned a service call to replace two boards in the TV. That fixed the problem....although I have an issue with vertical banding now...grr....likely another service call.

They obviously know what is causing the problem but they are trying to cut their costs by making you jump through hoops to get a service call. Not exactly what I would consider excellent customer support! Push hard...don't accept their first line of BS...you paid of lot of money for this set....get it fixed!

My service call was the week before the Super Bowl. Thank goodness! I had a party that day and would have been absolutely FREAKED if the set froze up during the game.
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