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You think clear action makes for a better picture? I can't stand it. It almost makes the picture look like it's flashing extremely fast almost like the 3d shutter glasses.

While we're out it can anyone explain what clear action does and why I feel that flashing effect.
Clear Action absolutely improves image quality in games, particularly motion but also still/static game screens. The process is strobing the backlights to reduce motion blur.

The two big caveats is 1) you have to be in-game to appreciate it (not on a console home screen or desktop), and 2) it takes a couple minutes for the eyes to adjust to the timing of the strobe. And even so, if the game displays a white or high-brightness image, you might still see strobing, even after adjusting the timing.

The third caveat is in some dark areas of games CA can cause a trailing or ghosting objects under certain conditions. These three negatives are usually enough for me to leave CA=off, despite the improved gaming image quality.

If you have your PC connected to the Vizio, head here and look at the UFO with and without Clear Action:
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I just wish vizio could improve ca on 60 fps like they did with 120 hz.. Just purchased a Ti to play games in 4k but I miss ca working correctly.
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I just wish vizio could improve ca on 60 fps like they did with 120 hz.. Just purchased a Ti to play games in 4k but I miss ca working correctly.
What is incorrect about the way CA works?
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For my hardware tech specialists in here. i have a few questions even though my gut is telling me no, i still would like to ask.

Is it possible for some HDMI 2.0 ports to become updated to HDMI 2.1?
Does HDMI 2.1 require newer hardware to utilize the new benefits?

If question 1 is yes, do we know if Vizio can update the HDMI to 2.1 in our P-Series?


The reason why i ask is because news broke out that Xbox Scorpio will support Variable Refresh Rate and Freesync that is part of the new HDMI 2.1 capabilities. Pretty exciting to me.
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I am having a new issue with my P50...please comment if you have experienced. I have a number of tv's hooked into Directv, so I know that is not the issue. What I am experiencing is sudden picture freezes that last from a couple seconds up to about 30 seconds. During this time, sound continues to play normally. After the picture pause, video starts, but farther ahead where it is synchronized with the sound once again. Up to now, it has corrected on it's own, due to being of short duration, but is getting very annoying.
We have been experiencing this lately as well, occasionally. The frame will freeze, but the audio continues. We've only observed this while viewing DirecTV via a Genie HR54 receiver. We just turn off the display and receiver together, then back on to get it going, but it is an annoying occurrence that shouldn't happen.
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I just wish vizio could improve ca on 60 fps like they did with 120 hz.. Just purchased a Ti to play games in 4k but I miss ca working correctly.
What is incorrect about the way CA works?
Strobing is not visible with 120 hz but @60 fps it is visible. I guess with cut in frames, there is no fix.
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I am having a new issue with my P50...please comment if you have experienced. I have a number of tv's hooked into Directv, so I know that is not the issue. What I am experiencing is sudden picture freezes that last from a couple seconds up to about 30 seconds. During this time, sound continues to play normally. After the picture pause, video starts, but farther ahead where it is synchronized with the sound once again. Up to now, it has corrected on it's own, due to being of short duration, but is getting very annoying.
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We have been experiencing this lately as well, occasionally. The frame will freeze, but the audio continues. We've only observed this while viewing DirecTV via a Genie HR54 receiver. We just turn off the display and receiver together, then back on to get it going, but it is an annoying occurrence that shouldn't happen.
X3.....this has been going on for some time. It's definitely a Directv issue as it occurs on my other Vizio P70 display. Then again, both displays are 4k so maybe it's just the directv affecting 4k Vizio TVs. I don't seem to recall it affecting the Sony or older 1080p Vizio.
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We have been experiencing this lately as well, occasionally. The frame will freeze, but the audio continues. We've only observed this while viewing DirecTV via a Genie HR54 receiver. We just turn off the display and receiver together, then back on to get it going, but it is an annoying occurrence that shouldn't happen.
I have my P75 hooked up to my c61k and haven't had any frame freezes I have noticed.
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A question regarding picture settings. I am using Shoman's calibration settings and noticed that when I make a custom setting, in this case it's called "Shoman", I noticed the color tuner settings entered affect all the different picture modes. Is there any way one can have the factory settings for the various picture modes be independent of the custom color tuner settings I entered for this custom setting? It's probably not that big a deal either way but it would be nice to be able to switch back and forth and see the difference the custom color tuner settings have on what's displayed compared to say, "Calibrated Dark". I did read the manual and did see that one can reset "picture settings" back to factory default but when I did that with calibrated dark, it didn't change the color tuner settings. There is a Color Tuner Reset but it isn't picture mode specific meaning it probably resets the color tuner back to default across the board.

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A question regarding picture settings. I am using Shoman's calibration settings and noticed that when I make a custom setting, in this case it's called "Shoman", I noticed the color tuner settings entered affect all the different picture modes. Is there any way one can have the factory settings for the various modes be independent of the custom color tuner settings I entered for this custom setting? It's probably not that big a deal either way but it would be nice to be able to switch back and forth and see the difference the custom color tuner settings have on what's displayed compared to say, "Calibrated Dark".
The Color Tuner and 11 point settings are for color balance, white, and grey scale accuracy. These are global underlying ( under the hood ) settings which work independent from the front end settings such as Picture Mode and Color, Contrast, Tint, Backlight, etc. You need a meter to go them right, but if your panel is behaving similarly to one of the calibration contributors on this thread, then they may get you closer to an accurate picture.
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Thanks! Kind of what I figured but figured I'd ask anyway.
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A question regarding picture settings. I am using Shoman's calibration settings and noticed that when I make a custom setting, in this case it's called "Shoman", I noticed the color tuner settings entered affect all the different picture modes. Is there any way one can have the factory settings for the various picture modes be independent of the custom color tuner settings I entered for this custom setting? It's probably not that big a deal either way but it would be nice to be able to switch back and forth and see the difference the custom color tuner settings have on what's displayed compared to say, "Calibrated Dark". I did read the manual and did see that one can reset "picture settings" back to factory default but when I did that with calibrated dark, it didn't change the color tuner settings. There is a Color Tuner Reset but it isn't picture mode specific meaning it probably resets the color tuner back to default across the board.


Remember the advanced (11pt/CT) are locked by color temp (Normal, Computer, Cool). So you could have up to 3 custom calibrations with advanced settings in SDR. The advanced settings are "global" so regardless of which input, if you use "Normal" 11pt/CT settings it will follow.


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Interesting. So the "operation" fixed not only freezing issues, but AVR/audio issues, too? Impressive. How long was the tech there?


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The tech was there about 2 hours. Half that time was taking the vizio off the mantel and then removing all the screws from the back. Once the back cover was off, it took about 30 minutes to replace both boards. The tech took his time, and even wore a static wrist cable. It's been 3 days, and no issues with freezing, except two new ones. First, the power on light at the lower left corner doesn't come on. Second, I cannot get the DirecTV rc73 remote code to work, even though it did work before! Calling dtv only got me a new remote, no matter how many times I told them it can't be the remote.
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For my hardware tech specialists in here. i have a few questions even though my gut is telling me no, i still would like to ask.

Is it possible for some HDMI 2.0 ports to become updated to HDMI 2.1?
Does HDMI 2.1 require newer hardware to utilize the new benefits?

If question 1 is yes, do we know if Vizio can update the HDMI to 2.1 in our P-Series?


The reason why i ask is because news broke out that Xbox Scorpio will support Variable Refresh Rate and Freesync that is part of the new HDMI 2.1 capabilities. Pretty exciting to me.
No, HDMI 2.1 will require new hardware. Also, I think that Freesync can be done over HDMI 2.0 but I don't think the P-series supports VRR anyway (no current TVs officially support it AFAIK but some might already have the necessary hardware). In addition, most of the features that require HDMI 2.1, like 8K video, wouldn't matter for the P-series anyway since it is a 4K set. Dynamic metadata HDR10 is the one feature that is kind of up in the air as it will be a part of the HDMI 2.1 spec but HDMI 2.0 devices should be able to support it with a firmware upgrade.
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No, HDMI 2.1 will require new hardware. Also, I think that Freesync can be done over HDMI 2.0 but I don't think the P-series supports VRR anyway (no current TVs officially support it AFAIK but some might already have the necessary hardware). In addition, most of the features that require HDMI 2.1, like 8K video, wouldn't matter for the P-series anyway since it is a 4K set. Dynamic metadata HDR10 is the one feature that is kind of up in the air as it will be a part of the HDMI 2.1 spec but HDMI 2.0 devices should be able to support it with a firmware upgrade.
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Interesting quote: "With the non-bandwidth related updates (Dynamic HDR, eARC), it is possible that a firmware update might give your TV those capabilities. The HDMI Forum has passed the buck back to the manufacturers, saying it "depends on manufacturer implementation." So if you have a TV with HDMI 2.0 or 2.0a, keep it updated."

Here's hoping Vizio will update the P series with those features. And it would be great if Game VRR is considered "non-bandwidth related" and could be included in an updated 2.0a -- but that's probably too much to ask.
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Anyone have a good method and good content for a REAL comparison between SDR and HDR on the vizio tv itsself? Was hoping i could find a good example content and be able to show it with HDR on and HDR off, preferably without having to fiddle through menus and what not. I was trying it with games, but the ones if tried you usually gotta go into a few menus, turn it off, let the screen go blank for 5 seconds or so, then back out of the menus. I have some people tell me "it doesn't look much different", but i wonder if there wasn't that long in between pause of turning HDR on and off if the difference would be more clear. Anyone have a good method for showing off a comparison?
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Interesting quote: "With the non-bandwidth related updates (Dynamic HDR, eARC), it is possible that a firmware update might give your TV those capabilities. The HDMI Forum has passed the buck back to the manufacturers, saying it "depends on manufacturer implementation." So if you have a TV with HDMI 2.0 or 2.0a, keep it updated."

Here's hoping Vizio will update the P series with those features. And it would be great if Game VRR is considered "non-bandwidth related" and could be included in an updated 2.0a -- but that's probably too much to ask.
Yes, that is true. The full HDMI 2.1 spec includes 48Gbps data transfer necessary for 10K video and that will not be possible without a hardware upgrade. However, there are several features in the spec that don't require the high bandwidth like VRR, eARC, and dynamic metadata HDR10. It sounds like those features will be left up to individual companies to add to older models via firmware updates if they choose.

I think there are some special hardware requirements for VRR but there is speculation (on Reddit and other forums) that some 2016 TVs already have the necessary hardware and could get VRR with a firmware update. There are already gaming monitors that support VRR over HDMI, so the HDMI 2.0 connector isn't an issue. Whether or not the P-series has the other hardware that is needed I can't say (I think it depends on the scaler chip). The fact that the TV can change its refresh rate to 24Hz (and used to be able to do 50Hz with old firmware) gives me some hope that VRR might be possible. Only @Matt McRae would know for sure.
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I think there are some special hardware requirements for VRR but there is speculation (on Reddit and other forums) that some 2016 TVs already have the necessary hardware and could get VRR with a firmware update. There are already gaming monitors that support VRR over HDMI, so the HDMI 2.0 connector isn't an issue. Whether or not the P-series has the other hardware that is needed I can't say (I think it depends on the scaler chip). The fact that the TV can change its refresh rate to 24Hz (and used to be able to do 50Hz with old firmware) gives me some hope that VRR might be possible. Only @Matt McRae would know for sure.
That's what I was thinking. And @Matt McRae did tease something about interesting P-series firmware updates later this year....

Trying not to get my hopes up.
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Yes, that is true. The full HDMI 2.1 spec includes 48Gbps data transfer necessary for 10K video and that will not be possible without a hardware upgrade. However, there are several features in the spec that don't require the high bandwidth like VRR, eARC, and dynamic metadata HDR10. It sounds like those features will be left up to individual companies to add to older models via firmware updates if they choose.

I think there are some special hardware requirements for VRR but there is speculation (on Reddit and other forums) that some 2016 TVs already have the necessary hardware and could get VRR with a firmware update. There are already gaming monitors that support VRR over HDMI, so the HDMI 2.0 connector isn't an issue. Whether or not the P-series has the other hardware that is needed I can't say (I think it depends on the scaler chip). The fact that the TV can change its refresh rate to 24Hz (and used to be able to do 50Hz with old firmware) gives me some hope that VRR might be possible. Only @Matt McRae would know for sure.

I am curious how it is decided that it can't be upgraded without hardware. How do they know the hardware in the tvs hdmi board isn't capable of being upgraded via firmware to meet those specs?
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I am curious how it is decided that it can't be upgraded without hardware. How do they know the hardware in the tvs hdmi board isn't capable of being upgraded via firmware to meet those specs?
I'm sure its an assumption .... only time will tell.
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It looks like the new 2017 M series is going to have full on screen menus, I forget, did Matt say those are coming to the P series?

From BJ's site: "Easily set up and control your display with the included remote. With simple access to the new on-screen menu, use the remote to adjust all basic and advanced menu settings."

Obviously it would likely require a new remote or a universal remote (unless they did something really weird with the current remote), but if we can use a new remote that would be pretty slick.

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It looks like the new 2017 M series is going to have full on screen menus, I forget, did Matt say those are coming to the P series?

From BJ's site: "Easily set up and control your display with the included remote. With simple access to the new on-screen menu, use the remote to adjust all basic and advanced menu settings."

Obviously it would likely require a new remote or a universal remote (unless they did something really weird with the current remote), but if we can use a new remote that would be pretty slick.
Matt did say a new UI was coming. I have a feeling (based on nothing but good vibes) that we might also see dynamic HDR10 and HLG support.
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Strangely enough, it seems like the P75 has been discontinued. All the usual suspects either show them as on clearance, out of stock, or no longer available. Since there are no plans for a P-series replacement until next year, it seems way, way too early for Vizio to be dropping the 75" P-series from their lineup.

Does anyone have any idea what's going on here? (paging @Matt McRae ...)
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It looks like the new 2017 M series is going to have full on screen menus, I forget, did Matt say those are coming to the P series?

From BJ's site: "Easily set up and control your display with the included remote. With simple access to the new on-screen menu, use the remote to adjust all basic and advanced menu settings."

Obviously it would likely require a new remote or a universal remote (unless they did something really weird with the current remote), but if we can use a new remote that would be pretty slick.
Hmmmm, haven't seen anything on the M Series yet. The 2017 E and D Series are out though. E series has built in Chromecast. D series uses V.I.A Plus.

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Hmmmm, haven't seen anything on the M Series yet. The 2017 E and D Series are out though. E series has built in Chromecast. D series uses V.I.A Plus.

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Specs are still kind of questionable at this point but it does say Chromecast and on screen menu. But that's about it for interesting info for existing P series owners, it also doesn't sound like it's going to step on the P series toes at all like the 2015 M did for the 2014 P, but who knows yet.

Separate thread for it over here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...on-thread.html

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Anyone have a good method and good content for a REAL comparison between SDR and HDR on the vizio tv itsself? Was hoping i could find a good example content and be able to show it with HDR on and HDR off, preferably without having to fiddle through menus and what not. I was trying it with games, but the ones if tried you usually gotta go into a few menus, turn it off, let the screen go blank for 5 seconds or so, then back out of the menus. I have some people tell me "it doesn't look much different", but i wonder if there wasn't that long in between pause of turning HDR on and off if the difference would be more clear. Anyone have a good method for showing off a comparison?
You could try some Vudu streams. The UHD is Dolby Vision and the HD is SDR. They switch fairly quickly.
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Hey my friends!

Back in June of last year I wrote a short "article" (post) about Color Volume.

>What is Color Volume?<

I put a LINK to it in my signature and I'm sure some of you read it in the past.

Recently, I started thinking about revisiting and updating that "article", given the recent increased interest in the subject of Color Volume, and adding additional info, illustrations, and pictures to it.

I finally got around to doing it yesterday, but instead of just updating the original post, I decided to re-post it as a brand new "Thread". Not only did I add additional info, I also adding a whole new section to it.

(This way, it could reach readers from all threads who don't read this one - since the subject matter applies to all TV brands, makes and models.)

I would like to invite you to check-out my new post. (Just click the LINK above or the one in my signature.)

If you like it, please leave a comment to let me know.

Thank You!

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Hey my friends!

Back in June of last year I wrote a short "article" (post) about Color Volume.

>What is Color Volume?<

I put a LINK to it in my signature and I'm sure some of you read it in the past.

Recently, I started thinking about revisiting and updating that "article", given the recent increased interest in the subject of Color Volume, and adding additional info, illustrations, and pictures to it.

I finally got around to doing it yesterday, but instead of just updating the original post, I decided to re-post it as a brand new "Thread". Not only did I add additional info, I also adding a whole new section to it.

(This way, it could reach readers from all threads who don't read this one - since the subject matter applies to all TV brands, makes and models.)

I would like to invite you to check-out my new post. (Just click the LINK above or the one in my signature.)

If you like it, please leave a comment to let me know.

Thank You!

Richard
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