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Thanks for the update Matt. Is there any other technical update on the upcoming firmware, beyond the SmartCast updates?
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Are these Android based apps?

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The are not, Matt has already answered that question.
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The are not, Matt has already answered that question.
No he didn't. He said they were loaded from an HTML script.

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So Vizio is the owner of the "book of apps" that link back to each content provider. Do we get to choose which apps we see, or do we have to look at the entire book? I mean, is it going to be customizable?

I don't suppose you want to give us a sneak peek at what to expect? We promise not to share it outside this tiny community! :-)

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We are lucky enough to get what we have now. We know more than the media. We are the only Community to have a CTO be part of actively and does actually listen to "some" of the thing we ask for. lol

That being said I think you are correct and I do hope its customizable.
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When Hulu wants to update their app they make a change on their server. Immediately all SmartCast displays will be updated since an "app launch" is basically just loading it from their server. They can update their app as often as they wish and you will always have the latest without having to download code to your display.

There will be a couple of exceptions to this that we can talk more about when they are announced :-)
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Are these Android based apps?

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I believe they are, just that they won't be coming from the App store. Instead they will come directly from the Provider like Hulu or Netflix.

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That type of image will still be very bright and vibrant.

But this is all for nothing, the TV in question is an MU7000, not Q7. Huge difference.
Then, there it is. M vs MU.

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Now that things are public... I thought I would take some time between press meetings and give you some more background on the UX announcement.

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Second, we announce SmartCast TV which is the new UX on the TV screen. However, it would be wrong to think we are porting a bunch of native apps to the screen and doing an about-face on Cast. SmartCast TV is just SmartCast Mobile built for the 10ft experience. Meaning the UX is actually driven from the cloud and the same backend servers as SmartCast mobile. There is no native app running... which means we can add features, improve design, add content, etc without having to do an app or firmware update. Also, the apps "running" in the TV are actually cloud based HTML5 interfaces that also can be updated without downloads or firmware updates.

Whats more... when you kick off a Crackle stream for example from the 10ft UX on the TV... it actually sends a Cast stream request to itself. Meaning the playback is Cast underneath which means it remains controllable from SmartCast Mobile apps, native apps, and even Google Home (even though you selected that stream from the TV UX). This is a completely unified Cast infrastructure and architecture with a new front end running on the TV that you can navigate via IR (or the SmartCast Mobile app).

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Slick.

Kudos from a long time software developer. So the display interface is really just a gigantic way to cast.

You're still casting and getting the benefit of that construct (immediate updates, no need for firmware) while delivering a desired interface for your customers.

So the request path goes:

display -> servers -> cast to the display

and from any other device

device -> servers -> cast to display.

Also keeps the footprint on the display processing light, since the interface is driven outside of the display computing (mostly).
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I need to make it clear that the Revenant picture from Matt is actually an E-series on the left and the Samsung MU7000. The two pictures below are of the M-series on the left and the Q7 on the right.

That being said my argument is still the same. The Samsung TVs only look like that if you don't select the correct HDR settings. Even in the pictures below the Q7 does not look like what a properly configured Q7 looks like even from an angle.



What you need to understand is that Samsung went to a bottom bar edge LED system for Q7 series. You can see it very clearly in the picture I sent from the interior building (from Batman). The LEDs are in a line at the bottom of the display... so to deal with the lighter section of a picture at the top (middle and right) of the display, the backlight must light up those LEDS underneath it at the bottom. That light must travel through the black bar and the rest of the image before illuminating the upper part of the image (and it then continues up and lights up the upper black bar too). That is why the middle and right hand side of the picture show more light issues versus bottom left corner (because the left corner is under a darker part of the image and those bottom LEDs are not lighting up as bright).

Color saturation is close between the displays and the picture makes it look a bit worse on the Q7 than what you would see straight on. Imagic saw the demo in person and has commented a bit already.

Again, it is easy to criticize a demo... we try to do the best we can for Apples to Apples comparison but there are always people who say both sets should have been professionally calibrated or they should be in a bright room or our movie choice should have been different or etc... So believe your own eyes and take demo you don't see yourself with proper reference content and setup with healthy skepticism - even if only because we all prefer slightly difference characteristics of a display. I prefer deep blacks and letterbox bars to disappear in an image but others like peak brightness and are OK with blooming and grey blacks... no display is perfect. We only try to "illuminate" the differences so people can make their own choice.
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Then, there it is. M vs MU.

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It was E vs MU. It was M vs Q7 in the Superman pic.
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I am getting so excited. The details get better and better.

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Then, there it is. M vs MU.

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No...

The two demos are:

2017 VIZIO E Series vs. 2017 Samsung MU


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No...

The two demos are:

2017 VIZIO E Series vs. 2017 Samsung MU


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Matt, can you comment on the extra brightness on the P series that has been reported on a couple of sites ?
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Matt, can you comment on the extra brightness on the P series that has been reported on a couple of sites ?
The CNET article posted earlier now has the following correction at the bottom:

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Correction: This article originally stated that brightness was higher and other characteristics were improved on the 2017 P series compared to the 2016 model, but that is not the case. The two are identical but for the lack of an included tablet on the 2017 model.
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So are you saying that those pictures are representative of what the MU7000 and Q7 are capable of in HDR mode? I have seen both of those displays in a properly configured HDR mode and they look absolutely NOTHING like that.

Please confirm that you set all of the settings below to these values specifically for the Q7.
I'm going to assume you've seen this is a lit environment. Having a dark room (no Lights) make a HUGE different on what you will see when it comes to black bar and contrast.

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I believe they are, just that they won't be coming from the App store. Instead they will come directly from the Provider like Hulu or Netflix.
Maybe, that makes Amazon possible. You know, bypass Smartcast app and connects directly to Amazon servers.

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Matt, can you comment on the extra brightness on the P series that has been reported on a couple of sites ?
Yeah... not sure where that is coming from. As I mentioned there are no hardware differences for P Series... and a hardware change is required to push brightness farther than we have it today.

My guess is that some press outlets haven't tested the P Series since our initially shipments over a year ago... as you know we made numerous major updates to the algorithms and backlight software since then. Some of these really improved and optimized the FALD so that we could take better advantage of the backlight output and reduce blooming as well. So the press who haven't used the P Series in a year will see a BIG jump in PQ. But for those of us here... you have been witness to the improvements over time.
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Samsung reps are telling people that 2016 and 2017 Samsung will be updated to hdr10+ for streaming, but won't be hardware capable til 2018. So at the very least, hdr10+ is still capable via streaming by update.
probably because Samsung's do not have the hardware (and I do not mean HDMI), but they don't even have the hardware to support DV. Since the Vizio's can support DV they should be good for HDR10+ over HDMI and streaming, unlike the Samsung.
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Yeah... not sure where that is coming from. As I mentioned there are no hardware differences for P Series... and a hardware change is required to push brightness farther than we have it today.

My guess is that some press outlets haven't tested the P Series since our initially shipments over a year ago... as you know we made numerous major updates to the algorithms and backlight software since then. Some of these really improved and optimized the FALD so that we could take better advantage of the backlight output and reduce blooming as well. So the press who haven't used the P Series in a year will see a BIG jump in PQ. But for those of us here... you have been witness to the improvements over time.
@Matt McRae Since this new cast system update does not change the foundation of how content is provided to the tv does this mean that casted apps will still be unable to read HDR10? Will it still only be Dolby Vision on supported apps? And is it possible with the hardware inside the Vizio P series to read VP9 content from youtube HDR data? These are all updates that I hope most for. Especially youtube HDR. Is this possible, or outside of the realms of possibility with this hardware?
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@Matt McRae Since this new cast system update does not change the foundation of how content is provided to the tv does this mean that casted apps will still be unable to read HDR10? Will it still only be Dolby Vision on supported apps? And is it possible with the hardware inside the Vizio P series to read VP9 content from youtube HDR data? These are all updates that I hope most for. Especially youtube HDR. Is this possible, or outside of the realms of possibility with this hardware?
As I understand it, VP9 isn't supported on our hardware, and the 2017 hardware is identical, so...

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No...

The two demos are:

2017 VIZIO E Series vs. 2017 Samsung MU


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2017 VIZIO M Series vs. 2017 Samsung Q7
My mistake. And knowing is half the battle.

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@Matt McRae Since this new cast system update does not change the foundation of how content is provided to the tv does this mean that casted apps will still be unable to read HDR10? Will it still only be Dolby Vision on supported apps? And is it possible with the hardware inside the Vizio P series to read VP9 content from youtube HDR data? These are all updates that I hope most for. Especially youtube HDR. Is this possible, or outside of the realms of possibility with this hardware?
Matt has stated before that YT HDR isn't possible. To your other question, HDR10 casting is in the beta firmware and working flawlessly, there's a few on Netflix.
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@Matt McRae Since this new cast system update does not change the foundation of how content is provided to the tv does this mean that casted apps will still be unable to read HDR10? Will it still only be Dolby Vision on supported apps? And is it possible with the hardware inside the Vizio P series to read VP9 content from youtube HDR data? These are all updates that I hope most for. Especially youtube HDR. Is this possible, or outside of the realms of possibility with this hardware?
We support HDR10 and DolbyVision now... VP9+HDR is a hardware change in the SOC. Youtube decided to use a format that most SOCs don't support so that will be a ways out as a new chipset has to be created.
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We support HDR10 and DolbyVision now... VP9+HDR is a hardware change in the SOC. Youtube decided to use a format that most SOCs don't support so that will be a ways out as a new chipset has to be created.
To simplify... if you desire Youtube HDR10, get a Chromecast Ultra. (fyi, it's just a collection of demo vids right now).
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To simplify... if you desire Youtube HDR10, get a Chromecast Ultra. (fyi, it's just a collection of demo vids right now).
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Is simple TCP/IP control in the pipeline? Most other major brands have built-in IP/RS232 controls that can integrate with home automation systems. I currently have controllers that can change input and the display mode (night/day) depending on the time of day on my other TVs (Sony, Sharp) and it is something I definitely like to see on the P series.
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We support HDR10 and DolbyVision now... VP9+HDR is a hardware change in the SOC. Youtube decided to use a format that most SOCs don't support so that will be a ways out as a new chipset has to be created.
Thanks, I had not tried casting anything with HDR10 content yet. I had only tried Dolby Vision Content. Thanks for talking on the forum. It's great. I've been using my p-c1 50 inch with my HPTC to view hdr content from my PC. The creator's update is great. Just wanted to add thanks for adding in the display information screen on the app of which type of HDR is being displayed, not just that it is HDR. Super Handy, especially for diagnosing what is being outputted and accepted. Has there been any work on better resolution support on HDMI 5. I still cannot get it to run 1440p 60hz, only 4k 60hz and 1080p 60hz on port 5. Is there a reason why this isn't working because the HDMI specs should by standards be fully capable of 1440p 60hz, especially if I can do 4k 60 on the same port. It works fine on ports 1-4 just not five. Wish I could use 5 more.
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