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I wonder if we'll be able to purchase this remote direct from Vizio at some point in the future.
Per Matt yes however not official yet.

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Something I have been waiting for :-) Formula 1 management finally implemented a 4k feed this year (Sky is distributing it in Europe). However, NBCSports has not licensed the 4k feed and is not distributing it in US yet. And worse, the compression is VERY high on the feed we do get which is why it looks low res and has a lot of macro-blocking. When I asked NBC last year they didnt have any plans to upgrade their channel to 4K and get the higher feed. I hope that changes
At least NBCSports and NBCSports Gold are Castable. You are correct about the horrible compression on F1 versus the Cycling feeds at 1080p on NBCSports Gold. I can live with a good 1080p feed. Have you thought about sponsoring Rogro? After all he is on an American team? I'm a tofosi
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Currently on the latest beta fw and can now only select stereo output from my xb1s. Prior to the beta, bitstream was working. Is this being addressed in the next release?


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I am also experiencing this issue with the latest firmware. I have seen this mentioned a few times now by other users as well. Hopefully this could be resolved in the next patch?


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Understood... this is why we have a Calibrated and Calibrated Dark. But your request is slightly different... in Calibrated we attempt to hold the black levels as best we can but maximize the brightness of the display at D65.
I do not see that at all. If I set calibrated and calibrated dark to the same gamma and backlight they look exactly the same. For daytime viewing there is no need for dimming the LED output for controlling blooming. You can easily see it happen with text on a black screen. There is no reason why that text should dim when you enable and disable Local dimming for daytime viewing. It should only be shutting off the zones not needed. I totally understand it for the theatrical (dark room) environment.

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Hey @Matt McRae I had a specific question that I haven't seen you address before regarding the casting of HEVC content. Before the January update these sets were able to direct playback HEVC content casting from a Plex media server natively without needing to transcode. After an update in January that support was broken and now the set does not appear to be able to natively cast H.265 HEVC content, can you say whether this will be fixed or if it's being worked on? Thanks!
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Calibrated disposes of the reference brightness and attempts to achieve the maximum brightness while holding accuracy in color and dynamic range. Meaning the whole curve moves up including the black levels because we push maximum power from the backlight. We are blooming more BUT in reality your eye will barely see the difference on good content because the image next to it is relatively brighter and you are assumed to be in a room with higher ambient light.

The only way for us to go brighter is to turn off the local dimming... which actually won't let the panel get any brighter but the effective average would go up... only because mid and dark areas would effectively rise. You are trading contrast and dynamic range for a higher average brightness (but not higher peak brightness). Or you change the white point/color temp to something closer to the underlying panel native. This will be brighter but you will shift away from accurate color (this is our VIVID mode).

So our recommendation for the most accurate and bright picture would be to use Calibrated and set backlight at 100% (not brightness).
The only reason the whole curve moves up is because Calibrated uses a lower gamma. We need a substantial rise in luminance in the low end for daytime viewing.

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Hey guys, can someone tell me what kind of lag the 2016 P series has with 4K and HDR?

I know it was pretty high at one time, have they lowered it with updates by chance.
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Hey guys, can someone tell me what kind of lag the 2016 P series has with 4K and HDR?

I know it was pretty high at one time, have they lowered it with updates by chance.
43ms I believe. It is as low as it's going to get. That number is also dependent on display frequency.

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If IP control is not in the works, how about Amazon Echo integration?

I would love to be able to say...
"Alexa, turn Vizio TV on/off"
"Alexa, set Vizio TV picture mode to calibrated dark"

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43ms I believe. It is as low as it's going to get. That number is also dependent on display frequency.
Weird question, but has anyone seen input lag numbers for the component input?
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If planning to use the TV in my bedroom which is dark, would the Vizio P series be better than samsung ks8000 series for 65"??
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If you set it to 1080 p then select one of those color settings you should be able to adjust SDR and HDR10 content.

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Sounds good, I'll check it out when I get a few minutes. Thanks!
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If IP control is not in the works, how about Amazon Echo integration?

I would love to be able to say...
"Alexa, turn Vizio TV on/off"
"Alexa, set Vizio TV picture mode to calibrated dark"
Alexa works with the Harmony remote. I can turn on and off my entire system and switch channels...etc...
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Blurry Faces

I bought a 75" P-Series a few weeks ago, coming from a plasma, and I can't get happy with anything moving. If a face is moving across the screen, it looks as bad as my friend's LCD from 10 years ago. What can I do? I'm mainly watching Planet Earth on an LG UP970 UHD Blu Ray Player, but Netflix streaming of action scenes looks pretty bad too. Gonna give Deadpool on UHD disc a shot tonight.

The best luck I have had so far is Clear Action On, Motion Blur Reduction 10, and Reduce Judder to at least 5.

I'm nearing the end of my 30 day window to return to Best Buy. I'm really struggling. If a scene is slow, I love it. If anything is fast, it looks so bad. Please help!!
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Alexa works with the Harmony remote. I can turn on and off my entire system and switch channels...etc...
I don't own a Harmony remote and, IIRC, I'll also need to get a Harmony Hub right? I'd rather not have to spend extra money for this

But what I really want is a more direct way to control the display (other than using a remote or through SmartCast). Most high-end displays from the major manufacturers offer some kind of home automation integration method either through RS232 or IP based services. Which baffles me as to why Vizio did not implement something in their displays. I consider the P-series a high-end display.

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I bought a 75" P-Series a few weeks ago, coming from a plasma, and I can't get happy with anything moving. If a face is moving across the screen, it looks as bad as my friend's LCD from 10 years ago. What can I do? I'm mainly watching Planet Earth on an LG UP970 UHD Blu Ray Player, but Netflix streaming of action scenes looks pretty bad too. Gonna give Deadpool on UHD disc a shot tonight.

The best luck I have had so far is Clear Action On, Motion Blur Reduction 10, and Reduce Judder to at least 5.

I'm nearing the end of my 30 day window to return to Best Buy. I'm really struggling. If a scene is slow, I love it. If anything is fast, it looks so bad. Please help!!
Don't turn on clear action. Are you using one of the calibrated presets? Reduce judder/blur to 3-5 max is all you need. You can put it up to 10, but you will see artifacts. This display has so.e of the best motion handling you will find in any display made nowadays. If that doesn't fix it, then it's possible you might have a bad panel, but it's also possible you have a setting wrong.

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If IP control is not in the works, how about Amazon Echo integration?

I would love to be able to say...
"Alexa, turn Vizio TV on/off"
"Alexa, set Vizio TV picture mode to calibrated dark"
Since the new update, Alexa doesn't respond to my command:
"Alexa, fetch me a beer."
(Hope this gets fixed soon)
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I bought a 75" P-Series a few weeks ago, coming from a plasma, and I can't get happy with anything moving. If a face is moving across the screen, it looks as bad as my friend's LCD from 10 years ago. What can I do? I'm mainly watching Planet Earth on an LG UP970 UHD Blu Ray Player, but Netflix streaming of action scenes looks pretty bad too. Gonna give Deadpool on UHD disc a shot tonight.

The best luck I have had so far is Clear Action On, Motion Blur Reduction 10, and Reduce Judder to at least 5.

I'm nearing the end of my 30 day window to return to Best Buy. I'm really struggling. If a scene is slow, I love it. If anything is fast, it looks so bad. Please help!!
If you haven't yet check out this thread for difefrent calibration setting unique to each P-series size.

Reduce judder and motion blur are a personal preference. I believe judder can produce the "soap opera effect". I leave Reduce Judder at 0 and Reduce Motion Blur at 10 for all content (HD/UHD and 24Hz, 30Hz, 60Hz) and have no issues on my P65.

When watching video (i.e. not gaming) I don't recommend clear action or game low latency, however I've seen other recommend these setting. You may give GLL a try.

Also check out this post.
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I don't own a Harmony remote and, IIRC, I'll also need to get a Harmony Hub right? I'd rather not have to spend extra money for this

But what I really want is a more direct way to control the display (other than using a remote or through SmartCast). Most high-end displays from the major manufacturers offer some kind of home automation integration method either through RS232 or IP based services. Which baffles me as to why Vizio did not implement something in their displays. I consider the P-series a high-end display.
Yes you would need the HUB as well...but since you already have an Echo it's worth it

I bought both the remote and hub off ebay relatively cheaply and it has worked flawlessly.
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I don't own a Harmony remote and, IIRC, I'll also need to get a Harmony Hub right? I'd rather not have to spend extra money for this

But what I really want is a more direct way to control the display (other than using a remote or through SmartCast). Most high-end displays from the major manufacturers offer some kind of home automation integration method either through RS232 or IP based services. Which baffles me as to why Vizio did not implement something in their displays. I consider the P-series a high-end display.
They did implement home automation controls, it's called google home support
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Hello everyone. I've been watching this forum for months and this is my first time posting. I bought my P-50C1 in August of last year and absolutely love it. I have a few minor bugs here and there, nothing that has diminished my experience. I have a dedicated 5.1.2 home theater / man cave in my basement that is completely dark with all of the lights turned off. Needless to say, this is the perfect display for my needs, although I certainly wish I could have gotten the 65" instead .

I'm currently on 3.0.14.0 firmware and the only minor issue I notice is the backlight not keeping up with fast, large scene lighting changes, most notably going from a very bright scene to a dark scene. This is very minor issue for me though. ATMOS over ARC and everything else works great.

I've very anxious to see what the new update brings. Everyone that has ever watched the display in HDR is blown away by the contrast and sheer PQ.
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Hello, how do I play content from USB port? When plug in the drive I see nothing on the screen and after awhile it starts playing the first file. I have no control over the subject matter nor can I control it. Is the USB port functions correctly on my P65 or should I play the content from my PC or Xbox one S?

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Hello, how do I play content from USB port? When plug in the drive I see nothing on the screen and after awhile it starts playing the first file. I have no control over the subject matter nor can I control it. Is the USB port functions correctly on my P65 or should I play the content from my PC or Xbox one S?

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Working as designed.

From post #1:

The USB port on the P series is primarily a service port. It does play certain types of video files but there is NO user interface. Once inserted, properly formatted content on the thumb drive will "auto-play".
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Working as designed.

From post #1:

The USB port on the P series is primarily a service port. It does play certain types of video files but there is NO user interface. Once inserted, properly formatted content on the thumb drive will "auto-play".
Wonder if the recent addition of on screen menus may change this.
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I bought a 75" P-Series a few weeks ago, coming from a plasma, and I can't get happy with anything moving. If a face is moving across the screen, it looks as bad as my friend's LCD from 10 years ago. What can I do? I'm mainly watching Planet Earth on an LG UP970 UHD Blu Ray Player, but Netflix streaming of action scenes looks pretty bad too. Gonna give Deadpool on UHD disc a shot tonight.

The best luck I have had so far is Clear Action On, Motion Blur Reduction 10, and Reduce Judder to at least 5.

I'm nearing the end of my 30 day window to return to Best Buy. I'm really struggling. If a scene is slow, I love it. If anything is fast, it looks so bad. Please help!!
In addition to what everyone else has said, I wouldn't use motion blur and reduce judder, as they can create artifacts and cause even more problems, in addition to SOE.
My recommendation would be to disable both of the "Noise Reduction" options and put MBR and RJ to 0 and see if that improves things.
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Hello everyone. I've been watching this forum for months and this is my first time posting. I bought my P-50C1 in August of last year and absolutely love it. I have a few minor bugs here and there, nothing that has diminished my experience. I have a dedicated 5.1.2 home theater / man cave in my basement that is completely dark with all of the lights turned off. Needless to say, this is the perfect display for my needs, although I certainly wish I could have gotten the 65" instead .

I'm currently on 3.0.14.0 firmware and the only minor issue I notice is the backlight not keeping up with fast, large scene lighting changes, most notably going from a very bright scene to a dark scene. This is very minor issue for me though. ATMOS over ARC and everything else works great.

I've very anxious to see what the new update brings. Everyone that has ever watched the display in HDR is blown away by the contrast and sheer PQ.
Why the heck didn't you get the 65 or 75. Your display is dwarfed by your audio setup Klipsch RP series. With that kind of setup, it boggles my mind.

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Last I remember it did not work.

If you turn on Color Sub-sampling on the port, the colors are all washed out and it looks terrible.

Something to do with the codec negotiation between Xbox One and the TV.
It's worked fine since December. However, as soon as Netflix is launched, it puts the tv in HDR10 mode and everything you watch will use those settings. The only way around this is to turn off color subsampling for the input, but then you won't get HDR on anything in Netflix.

For some reason Netflix on the Xbox can't (yet) tell the display when it needs HDR and when it doesn't.
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In addition to what everyone else has said, I wouldn't use motion blur and reduce judder, as they can create artifacts and cause even more problems, in addition to SOE.
My recommendation would be to disable both of the "Noise Reduction" options and put MBR and RJ to 0 and see if that improves things.
As someone who firmly believes (wishes) that all content of the future would be filmed and displayed at a bare minimum of 60fps, I use Reduce Judder and motion blur extensively. With it off, you still see a ton of blur/judder in panning shots etc. Which drives me nuts. I know that is just a symptom of 24fps, and you even see it in the theater, but I hate it and that's why I rarely go to the theater.

I simply couldn't live without the ability to negate some of the effects of everything still being shown with technological limitations from 90 years ago.
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Sorry for the long absence... we had a quiet period while we were waiting for the LeEco situation to resolved (which ended this week).

Good news is that the teams have been working really hard on new firmware. Version 3.2.8.3 is a test release which significant and numerous changes... too many to enumerate here but the highlights consist of:

1. EDID improvements and stability changes
2. CEC improvements
3. ARC stability improvements
4. DolbyVision improvements (including fixing some Netflix, Vudu playback issues)
5. Additional backlight enhancements (blooming reduction, fine tuning, etc)
6. Local dimming improvements (algorithm, fine tuning...)
7. Fixes for various stability issues, freezes, hangs on boot, etc.
8. 100's of small bug fixes and improvements

We have Golden Reference files that will be posted on Monday, along with official release notes. but I wanted to get this out for the holiday weekend to this group.

This firmware also unifies our 2016 and 2017 code bases and checks in significant architectural changes for futures releases and performance enhancements. The VIZIO 2017 press event is on April 24th in New York and we will be pre-announcing some significant features that will roll out this Summer. Stay tuned...

What I can reveal here (and what many of you already found) is that we added on screen menus and a new OOBE. This was a huge undertaking as we hooked up the UX to the underlying settings framework. There are a couple of known issues that we are fixing ASAP including 11 point adjustments but hopefully you will see the addition of our sidebar as a step forward.

The sidebar and new OOBE will work with older VIZIO remote that have Dpad or any universal remote that can utilize VIZIO IR codes.

To say thank you to our beta testers here... VIZIO has developed a new remote control with a Dead called the XRT135. If you are on the beta test list and don't have a remote that has VIZIO Dpad... email [email protected] with your shipping address and I'll send you a free remote.

Please test and report issues you find. We did our best to regression test from Sprint 1.3 to Sprint 2 (this code) but there are major changes to this code. I'll be monitoring this group and working with the team over the next weeks to knock down issues you find.

Again, thanks for your patience... and stay tuned for more improvements, new content and new features over the coming months.

Matt

just saw this and requested the remote; will the new firmware and this remote allow for testing of internal apps or is this a feature that will roll out over the summer?

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I bought a 75" P-Series a few weeks ago,
coming from a plasma, and I can't get happy
with anything moving.

If a face is moving across the screen, it looks
as bad as my friend's LCD from 10 years ago.

What Firmware do you have? Motion has been quite a problem with my P50 for months, and now with the latest Beta (3.2.8.3), this is now improved - if not outright fixed!

This latest Beta has my P50 shining its best ever! Backlight flicker/flash/pulsing is nearly wiped-out. (I can leave ALZ on, most of the time, now.) (Ok, space movies with pin-point stars... I have ALZ Off. Looks awesome!)

I'll be posting my 'eye' results later. (I tested motion using NetFlix's Test Patterns. The ones with the moving White Ball.)

Have you done a Factory Reset and the problem is still there?

I have Reduce Noise/Signal both off. No GLL or Clear Action. Judder at 3. (No Motion Reduction on the 60-Hurts Panel.) Pure Cinema On. See if that helps.

When Firmware 3.2.8.3 goes Wide, you and many others will like it better than all of the other previous Firmware, dating back to... day one! It's baked with fresh, home-brewed ingredients. It's yummy.

(High-Five to Matt-n-Vizio!)



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