Me too.

I have the P50, and the motion problems were around for months. Pus, it appears at times it would be worse at one viewing and the next time watching - not as bad.

Anyway, what Firmware are you on? Beta/Test 3.2.8.3 Firmware (going Wide any moment now) appears to fix much of the motion problem I was seeing - at least with my P50. I didn't see a whole lot of posts from other panel size owners through the last number of 3.x Firmware Releases. I think it might be worse the P50s.

If you can put up with the S.O.E., Judder 10 may help you. Otherwise, try with Film On/Off and Judder 1-3, maybe 4. Clear Action / GLL should be Off, otherwise it can 'sharpen' and exaggerate the problem. Maybe crank up the Reduce Noise/Block settings? That would crunch pic detail and make faces into wax figures, though.


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My thoughts exactly. I'd love to have the new remote for free, but I also know how betas often go. I have to be considerate of the rest of my family who uses the TV and don't want them frustrated by whatever bugs might creep up in whatever the next major beta may be.

They have zones.... they just don't announce them. People in that thread use a video to count them. I believe its in the 500's.

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I think they are virtual zones and the number might change depending on content. I think the Sony Backlight Master Drive system uses edge lights that beam light through changing channels/chambers, behind the LCD display, to deliver light beams to specific parts of the screen (zones.) The channels could widen making just a few zones or splinter into multiple discrete channels making factors more zones.

Thinking about the future of TVs, this is the higher odds path in my opinion. I am not sure OLED, nor FALD can get peak brightness up much. In order to do so FALD would have to get each zone be able to get into the 1000s of nits and OELD would need jus ta few pixels to be able to do it. I am not sure OELD can physically do that (be very expensive and the individual OLED cells would likely not have long lives if that bright each. FALD would have to get even thicker thick to house such powerful individual lights across the whole array. Whereas edge lit could use those channels to concentrate the whole light array to specific small areas for peak brightness hitting in the 1000s of nits instead spread them across the whole screen as in normal content.

lol, Sony never announces their zones. Trade secret. lol

http://www.consumerreports.org/lcd-l...-breakthrough/

"Sony's new Backlight Master Drive technology takes this a step further. First, the Z-series models use a full-array backlight, with LEDs arranged across the entire back panel of the TV. That's different from most TVs, which use edge LED backlights, where the LEDs are placed along the sides or across the top and/or bottom of the TV. "

"What happens next is the unique part. In Sony's Backlight Master Drive, every single one of the LEDs can be controlled separately. Just about every other LCD TV we've ever tested groups a number of LEDs into a zone that can be dimmed or illuminated. Sony says it uses more LEDs than its competitors (it won't reveal how many), and each of the LEDs has a more precise, narrowly focused beam. That allows for brighter images and less light leakage, so there is less "blooming"—the halolike effect you often see around brighter images on TVs that use local dimming."

Sounds like CR reported that Sony does use some kind of channeling of a full array of LEDs.

That's interesting. Looking at the local dimming video on rtings I can see thaty the Vizio has less bloom and more control but the dot is also 3X brighter.

I have seen both reports, FALD and edge light with channels and mirrors. I do not think SONY is publicly saying how it is done. The more recent reports/rumors seem to hint at the changing channels.

someone needs to do a teardown video wouldn't be surprised of their competitors have already done this.

Wow pretty cool. but then again I can get 2 P75's and one P65 for the price of a Z9D. Overall from what I'm reading at Rtings, it is barely better in some aspects and barely worse in others. I'm very happy with my P75, I just hoped to get some higher lumenance for daytime viewing without having to lighten up the Gamma.

Something of note is how heavy they are. The ZD9 and 930E use the similar system and they both weigh much more, for same size, than current LCD TVs. For example, with its FALD system, the Vizio P-series weighs ~15 to 20% more than edge lit LCD TVs or OLED TVs of the same size. The Sony's weigh over 50% more. For example the 65 inch X930E and ZD9 weigh over 85 pounds, compared to the ~65 pound Vizio P65 or the many ~55 pound edge lit LCD 65 inch TVs.

that's a good point. probably the extra LEDs and definitely the material they use to split the backlight.

The math would work out if there are 500 zones. P65s 128 LEDs weighs about 8 pounds more than edge lit, so 4X would explain the ~30 more pounds. But do LEDs weigh that much? And if it has 500 zones of LED lights, would they lights be physically smaller than the ones making up the P series 128 zones - therefore the weight would not scale up 4X times?

Where do I go in the tv menu to update firmware (p65-c1)? Or does it download automatically? Or can I get latest firmware on vizio website and throw it on USB stick?


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that also begs the question: with so many zones, why would someone want to channel the light if you have so many sources? i understand splitting a few light sources into many but it seems unnecessary to do that when you have many already (and perhaps not a good strategy, since it doesn't even appear to affect quality all that much compared to FALDs from Vizio at a much lower price).

Conversation should totally move to the Sony tv section


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Depends on what firmware you are on now but it does automatically update on its own.

Would a warranty exchange or replacement be shipped with the vizio tablet if you had it on the first set? Or can we keep the tablet if it's a exchange? I really like the tablet and was a key selling point on my decision to go with the p series

Agreed.

I enjoyed reading about Sony's tech, but future posts on the topic should probably go into other forums.

Sean

Re posting just in the event no one saw it initially. This thread moves so fast that it is easy to miss some posts.

Please advise.

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When do you think Canada will get the latest update (the 2017 p series firmware)? I'm on version 3.0.13.5 right now.


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U get to keep ur tablet with an exchange.


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I don't think it really matters where you are located. That the latest official one posted. The new beta is out and being rolled out to people to you may see that one soon.

Not that I noticed, but image quality looks awesome. You notice any difference?

Can you or anyone send me a link to DV calibration for the 3.0.13.5 firmware?



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Sorry I removed mine from the Calibration thread.

I'll take a stab at it.

What Firmware are you on? 3.2.8.3 Firmware seems to have fixed some
video problems.

Long ago, when I first tried to setup my 4K Roku, I saw goofy video
patterns. So I setup the Roku as 1080i... not 4K. That worked.

So, after many months of reading messages about how critical it is to
have a quality, working HDMI Cable for 4K (18Gbps), I realize I'm going
to have to swap-out that cable to the one that's on my Sony DVR - which
I think is the Vizio Cable. (Can ya tell I haven't used my Roku in a while?)

Make sure your supplied Vizio Cable is hooked-up to the highest priority
HDMI device. Perhaps your Roku.

You could unhook all HDMI devices and do a Soft or Factory Reset to see if
you problem clears-up when Tablet-Casting.

Then, one-by-one... hook up one HDMI Cable to one device to test for a while.
Then hook it up to all remaining devices. If that Cable passes all your devices
in testing, repeat if you have other Cables to test.

Possibly could be a Vizio hardware problem.


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somewhat in bright areas it seems and lens flare effects. I need to do some more testing I guess. @DaverJ