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How do the other settings look and can
you speak to the black streaks and whiteness
in the bars?


As far as the output from your device(s), do what 'The Coolest' said.
Start from scratch by resetting the Pic Modes to their defaults and
make your Custom Pic modes (as per my previous post).

As far as the 'Vertical Blinds', it looks creepy to me. Here's some
similar vertical bars with other owners where I 'enhanced' the images
to make them stand out:

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...Is this on the better end of the spectrum of the panel lottery?

Ah... no. Here's yours and some past images I enhanced with a similar 'defective' panel:
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I figured out that it seems to be all HDR10 24p material that has that slight smoothing going on. Can anyone else with HDR10 at 24p confirm?

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I figured out that it seems to be all HDR10 24p
material that has that slight smoothing going on.
Can anyone else with HDR10 at 24p confirm?

Smoothing as in less sharp or motion?

Production problem or the 'that's the way HDR-10 Works at 24p'?

Seems like a bum deal.


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Smoothing as in less sharp or motion?

Production problem or the 'that's the way HDR-10 Works at 24p'?

Seems like a bum deal.


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Smoothing as in the Soap Opera Effect....like Reduce Judder got bumped up to 5. I am very sensitive to the SOE. I don't recall it doing this in the past. I wonder if the latest firmware brought it on which is why I was hoping someone else could confirm. I actually bought a Philips UHD Player and thought it was that at first so returned it for the UBD-8500 and still get it, so it has to be the TV.

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Blu-Ray HDR-10 Discs and Motion Problems on the Vizios?

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Smoothing as in the Soap Opera Effect...
Like Reduce Judder got bumped up to 5.
I am very sensitive to the SOE. I don't recall
it doing this in the past. I wonder if the latest
firmware brought it on which is why I was
hoping someone else could confirm. I actually
bought a Philips UHD Player and thought it was
that at first so returned it for the UBD-8500 and
still get it, so it has to be the TV.
So, not with streaming 24p content?

You have Pure Cinema On and Reduce Judder Off?

What settings do the Boo-Ray players have that
output 24p? Would that make a difference and
conflict with Vizio's PC On or vice-versa?

I dunno, I'm thinking about this as I'm typing.
(That could be dangerous.)

Your 'sensitive' to SOE? You don't watch anything
at 30fps or higher?

Edit: This a HDR-10 only thing with two Blu-Ray
players you used? I wonder if other brand of TVs
have this. Or: 'Is it you or Memorex?'

Gee, are all HDR-10 playing discs like this?

What does searching the Net bring up on this?


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I'm sensitive to SOE and any content regardless of fps got smoothened out with Pure Cinema off, only since the update has it done this.
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Smoothing as in the Soap Opera Effect....like Reduce Judder got bumped up to 5. I am very sensitive to the SOE. I don't recall it doing this in the past. I wonder if the latest firmware brought it on which is why I was hoping someone else could confirm. I actually bought a Philips UHD Player and thought it was that at first so returned it for the UBD-8500 and still get it, so it has to be the TV.

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Just for giggles, what happens when you enable Game Low Latency?

I can't say I've noticed any smoothing, although I typically have Reduce Judder in 1 or 2. Just watched Power Rangers in HDR10 via a Samsung K8500 yesterday and it looked fine in regards to motion.

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So, not with streaming 24p content?

You have Pure Cinema On and Reduce Judder Off?

What settings do the Boo-Ray players have that
output 24p? Would that make a difference and
conflict with Vizio's PC On or vice-versa?

I dunno, I'm thinking about this as I'm typing.
(That could be dangerous.)

Your 'sensitive' to SOE? You don't watch anything
at 30fps or higher?



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It does it for all HDR10 24p material, streaming included....in HDR you can't turn Pure Cinema On. It's grayed out in the Off position. I am sensitive to the smoothing on 24p content.

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I'm sensitive to SOE and any content regardless of fps
got smoothed out with Pure Cinema off, only since the
update has it done this.
I think the update 'corrected' motion issues.

But this makes sense: PC Off, no 24fps playback with
24fps material. It would be 'smoother', but not too SOAP-ish
anyway, eh?

Are you saying PC Off and 30 or 60fps content is also 'smoother'?

I'll hafta go check this.

I just thought of something. Would this be with 60Hz or 120Hz
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It does it for all HDR10 24p material, streaming included...
In HDR you can't turn Pure Cinema On. It's grayed out in
the Off position. I am sensitive to the smoothing on 24p content.

I edited my other Post.

Is there any HDR-10 24p content on NetFlix I can check?



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Actually @Dizzy714 nailed it! When ever Pure Cinema is disengaged at all it causes the motion issue. With HDR10 it is always disabled which is why I only notice it then.

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Does anyone have any recommendations for an inexpensive stand or riser that's large/sturdy enough to handle a P65-C1? I'm upgrading my surround sound system and my new center channel speaker (Andrew Jones Pioneer SP-C22) is over 7 inches tall and will block a significant chunk of the bottom of the screen so it would need to raise the TV to be at least 8 inches above the surface.
Some things to consider:
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Actually Dizzy714 nailed it!

When ever Pure Cinema is disengaged at all it
causes the motion issue. With HDR10 it is always
disabled which is why I only notice it then.


And not with HDR-DV? Then that would be an HDR-10 bug-a-boo.

But what's that have to do with other FPS? Pure Cinema is only used
for 24VF content, even if it's left in the On position. It auto-engages
as needed. Dizzy says it happens on any FPS content. If the content
is not 24VF, then PC doesn't kick-in, so is there something else going
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And not with HDR-DV? Then that would be an HDR-10 bug-a-boo.

But what's that have to do with other FPS? Pure Cinema is only used
for 24VF content, even if it's left in the On position. It auto-engages
as needed. Dizzy says it happens on any FPS content. If the content
is not 24VF, then PC doesn't kick-in, so is there something else going
on here?

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I don't know how to explain it.....the reason HDR10 is affected the most is because PC is stuck in the Off position. It doesn't affect Dolby Vision because PC is stuck in the On position. With SDR you can turn it On and Off. When On the motion is fine, but turn it Off in SDR also and the smoothing returns. You can test with any 24p material in SDR that is able to toggle PC.

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Before any HDR-10 24VF content starts up, do you have Reduce Judder Off?



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Before any HDR-10 24VF content starts up, do you have Reduce Judder Off?



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Yes, I never turn Reduce Judder On.

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Also, why would Vizio have DV have Pure Cinema On and grayed out but have HDR10 Off and Grayed out?

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The reason HDR10 is affected the most is because PC
is stuck in the Off position. It doesn't affect Dolby Vision
because PC is stuck in the On position...

Ah, well... that explains it. A bug-a-boo from Vizio.
I don't know why they have it On for DV, yet have it
Off for HDR-10.


Best contact Matt or Vizio Support so they know about this.




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Ah, well... that's explains it. A bug-a-boo from Vizio.
I don't know why they have it On for DV, yet have it
Off for '10.


Best contact Matt or Vizio Support so they know about this.




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I did reach out to @Matt McRae via Twitter but haven't heard back yet. Are you able to replicate it?

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Are you able to replicate it?


No. I don't have UHD Blu-Ray. Is there any 24VF HDR-10 NetFlix content I could check?

I think 'Sparks' is HDR-10, but that's 60VF.


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No. I don't have UHD Blu-Ray. Is there any 24VF HDR-10 NetFlix content I could check?

I think 'Sparks' is HDR-10, but that's 60VF.


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Just replicate it by turning Off PC when watching something in SDR at 24VF. It's the same effect.

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Just replicate it by turning Off PC when watching
something in SDR at 24VF. It's the same effect.

Ah, yes, I've seen it before.

Vizio needs to fix this HDR-10 / Pure Cinema Off bug.
How'd this slip by Vizio, I dunno.

This was only with the most recent Firmware?


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Ah, yes, I've seen it before.

Vizio needs to fix this HDR-10 / Pure Cinema Off bug.
How'd this slip by Vizio, I dunno.

This was only with the most recent Firmware?


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I believe so. I wish they would just default PC to On for HDR10. Then it wouldn't affect me at all....

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Ah, yes, I've seen it before.

Vizio needs to fix this HDR-10 / Pure Cinema Off bug.
How'd this slip by Vizio, I dunno.

This was only with the most recent Firmware?


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The only slight work around I have seen is to set the BD Player to output 60VF by turning off 24p mode in the player. Is there a big difference between have 24p on or off anyway?

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I wish they would just default PC to On for HDR10. Then it wouldn't affect me at all...

One should have access to the Pure Cinema Mode anyway, be HDR-10 or not. Why
gray-out the thing anyway?


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The only slight work around I have seen is to set the
BD Player to output 60VF by turning off 24p mode in
the player. Is there a big difference between have 24p
on or off anyway?


My standard Blu-Ray 'Movie Mode' experience hooked-up
to the Vizio is extremely limited.

If I get this right: Blu-Ray player in Movie Mode (24p) is
supposed to replicate the 24fps experience with any TV/Display,
be it a 60Hz or higher panel, yes?

If Off, then the TV/Display must have this type of mode. If
both devices have these Movie Modes, and both are Off, then
you'd have a 'smoother' playback.

So, is having a Blu-Ray player's Movie Mode On, being sensed
by Vizio to 'gray-out' the PC feature?

Is there a conflict here if both devices have Move Mode engaged?
I dunno how this works. Anyone?

I just watch NetFlix, mostly.



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Does anyone have any recommendations for an inexpensive stand or riser that's large/sturdy enough to handle a P65-C1? I'm upgrading my surround sound system and my new center channel speaker (Andrew Jones Pioneer SP-C22) is over 7 inches tall and will block a significant chunk of the bottom of the screen so it would need to raise the TV to be at least 8 inches above the surface.
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Is this new "xhdr pro" just a marketing gimmick? They claim "A true visual masterpiece from our widest color gamut, deepest blacks, starkest contrast and Dolby Vision technologies"......So is their a wider color gamut on the 2017 P series? Or no?


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2016 and 2017 models are completely identical with the exception of the remotes. They are rebranding(aka marketing gimmick).

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2016 and 2017 models are completely identical with the exception of the remotes. They are rebranding(aka marketing gimmick).

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Okay. I had figured so lol. Where can I purchase the remote? Costco? (I'm in Canada)


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