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And that would explain why everyone says its reference material. I was wondering if HDR could be graded to anything other than 1000 or 4000. Now I'm wondering why on earth others don't do this. Our tv's as well as oleds right now can't hit 1000nits. 600 is still pretty bright and impactful. Tv's wouldn't need tone mapping and meta data (dv and hdr10+) is others would do this
Metadata is part of what makes HDR what it is and specifically dynamic metadata. Giving colorist and directors, the ability to have multiple brightness parameters in one scene and that have change dynamically, frame by frame or scene by scene.

This adds depth and detail, not possible in SDR. The brightest film on UHD disc is Mad Max being 4000 nits, in a few years you be able to witness that, without having to repurchase it.

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Metadata is part of what makes HDR what it is and specifically dynamic metadata. Giving colorist and directors, the ability to have multiple brightness parameters in one scene and that have change dynamically, frame by frame or scene by scene.

This adds depth and detail, not possible in SDR. The brightest film on UHD disc is Mad Max being 4000 nits, in a few years you be able to witness that, without having to repurchase it.

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That will burn your retina lol


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Not true, it just means detail in that range would be visible, this is detail visible by the naked eye.

So much detail is lost in SDR.

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I was thinking the same

I hear ya, but in reality it was not the case. Hard to really do the tv's justice on a cell phone. Trust me the blacks were much deeper and uniform on the vizio.
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Go into the Display's network setting and set a manual DNS. From the factory the Display uses the Google DNS.

Some of the guidance here says to select the DNS server that comes out on top from the "test" while others say to select the second-best. Why the disparity and which is the most optimal?
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Go into the Display's network setting and set a manual DNS. From the factory the Display uses the Google DNS.

Some of the guidance here says to select the DNS server that comes out on top from the "test" while others say to select the second-best. Why the disparity and which is the most optimal?
I changed mine to my router DNS, how vet it ruined the cast system on screen apps. It would disconnect constantly. I reset it and changed cast to my 5ghz line and now I get instant UHD streaming with a strong connection.
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I changed mine to my router DNS, however,
it ruined the cast system on screen apps. It
would disconnect constantly. I reset it and
changed cast to my 5ghz line and now I get
instant UHD streaming with a strong connection.


I looked at mine and it has Google's 8.8.8.8 and the Secondary is my router.



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Has anyone else had trouble getting ARC to work with their 2016/2017 P Series? Were you able to resolve it and what did you do?

Ideally with a Yamaha CX-A5100, but info for getting this to work any late model Yamaha receiver is probably applicable as well.

Notes:
* I am using the ARC HMDI ports on both devices
* CEC and ARC are enabled in Yamaha HDMI setup, and CEC is set to "Enabled" on the Vizio.
* Cables are all rated for 18Gbit and ARC support
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Has anyone else had trouble getting ARC to work with their 2016/2017 P Series? Were you able to resolve it and what did you do?

Ideally with a Yamaha CX-A5100, but info for getting this to work any late model Yamaha receiver is probably applicable as well.

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* I am using the ARC HMDI ports on both devices
* CEC and ARC are enabled in Yamaha HDMI setup, and CEC is set to "Enabled" on the Vizio.
* Cables are all rated for 18Gbit and ARC support
I had trouble because my Time Warner/Spectrum 4 tuner DVR hosed ARC. Once I got rid of it it worked fine for the rest of the system

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Has anyone else had trouble getting ARC to work with their 2016/2017 P Series? Were you able to resolve it and what did you do?

Ideally with a Yamaha CX-A5100, but info for getting this to work any late model Yamaha receiver is probably applicable as well.

Notes:
* I am using the ARC HMDI ports on both devices
* CEC and ARC are enabled in Yamaha HDMI setup, and CEC is set to "Enabled" on the Vizio.
* Cables are all rated for 18Gbit and ARC support
Yamaha a760 here. No issues.
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Has anyone else had trouble getting ARC to work with their 2016/2017 P Series? Were you able to resolve it and what did you do?

Ideally with a Yamaha CX-A5100, but info for getting this to work any late model Yamaha receiver is probably applicable as well.

Notes:
* I am using the ARC HMDI ports on both devices
* CEC and ARC are enabled in Yamaha HDMI setup, and CEC is set to "Enabled" on the Vizio.
* Cables are all rated for 18Gbit and ARC support
Try a soft reset on the 5100, that's what worked for me last time.

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DirecTV doesn't do HDR so that's not the issue.
When it happens with sports, it seems to really kick-in
when there is a lot of different motion on the screen at
one time; scroll at the bottom of the screen in combination
with any quick action during the game it becomes really
noticeable. Almost like the display can't handle all the
different types of motion at one time.

I really have no idea. Since I've owned the display my
motion has always been smooth without issue until this
newest beta.


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So, there's probably motion 'issues' with all 60VF content. It's just that you notice it more with much motion ongoing.

Have you done the Cycle Resets?

Do you have the motion problem with the NetFlix non-HDR 60VF Test? (See my previous post.) Or with NetFlix Sparks or Meridian?

Direct-Streaming 24VF is ok?

Do these motion issues happen on all default or Custom Picture Modes?


We do know Vizio did some MEMC changes/fixes this time as per Matt's post, so how'd that 'messed' yours (others?), I dunno.

I'll need to carefully review all my 60VF viewing this weekend to make sure nothing is amiss. (Including Sparks and Meridian.)

It somehow may only be you, as I don't think there's been one other post about motion issues with 60VF content/devices. But, it's still kind of early, so maybe others will jump-in on this.



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P75-C1 Initial Input Display Delay - 3.3.18.1 FW

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Has anyone noticed a delay when attempting to select an HDMI input right when the TV is powered on? I just got a P75-C1 which is running 3.3.18.1. I'm assuming the previous owner registered for the beta FW. When I first power the TV on it takes around 5 minutes before it displays video/audio from my PS4/PS3/Roku. I've tried with different HDMI cables and the behavior is the same. When it finally does display it will cut in and out intermittently for a minute or so and then stabilize. Once it's stable I can flip between inputs, shut the TV off, turn it back on, etc. and it's almost instant in displaying content.

Vizio support want me to factory reset, and after finding out the latest FW they have is behind my own, I figured I'd check here first to see if its a known issue with the firmware, or maybe an indication of a larger issue. Honestly I'd rather stay on the beta FW instead of waiting for new features, just wondering what the experts on this threads thoughts were.
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Has anyone else had trouble getting ARC to work with their 2016/2017 P Series? Were you able to resolve it and what did you do?

Ideally with a Yamaha CX-A5100, but info for getting this to work any late model Yamaha receiver is probably applicable as well.

Notes:
* I am using the ARC HMDI ports on both devices
* CEC and ARC are enabled in Yamaha HDMI setup, and CEC is set to "Enabled" on the Vizio.
* Cables are all rated for 18Gbit and ARC support
I'm having all kinds if issues... it works one day the next NOT
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Full UHD Color

I am setting up a new P75-C1 for the first time. For now I've connected it directly to an Xbox One S using the HDMI cable that came with the TV. The Xbox shows that the TV supports 4K 10-bit at 24Hz and HDR video but that it does not support 4K 10-bit at 60Hz or HDR10 for gaming. Is there a setting I have wrong somewhere?

In the TV's tablet remote I go to Display Settings | Inputs | Full UHD Color and enable it for HDMI-1, which is what the Xbox is currently plugged into. But the setting won't stay. As soon as I exit this screen and then come back, Full UHD Color for HDMI-1 has been disabled. I see the same problem if I plug the Xbox into HDMI-4 and try to enable Full UHD Color for HDMI-4. What am I misunderstanding here?

Thanks in advance for any help. This is my first 4K TV and my first HDR TV, so I'm still learning.
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Has anyone noticed a delay when attempting to
select an HDMI input right when the TV is powered on?

...When I first power the TV on it takes around 5 minutes
before it displays video/audio from my PS4/PS3/Roku.
I've tried with different HDMI cables and the behavior is
the same. When it finally does display it will cut in and out
intermittently for a minute or so and then stabilize. Once it's
stable, I can flip between inputs, shut the TV off, turn it back
on, etc. and it's almost instant in displaying content.

I'll try to wing this one.

It's an HDMI cable issue, still and/or an output/input setup issue?

Next time before turning it Off, leave it at the Cast Input. Does it
still delay on a cold start on the Cast/SmartCast Input? Does it help
any if you switch to 'Quick Start' mode?


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Try a soft reset on the 5100, that's what worked for me last time.
I'm not 100% sure what you meant by a "soft reset", but that was enough for me to fix it. Here's what I did:

1. Backup settings via the web interface
2. Go into advanced setup (turn off, hold down "straight" button and hit "main zone")
3. Use "program" keys to cycle to "Initialize". Press "straight" until it says "all".
4. Hit "Main Zone" to power off.
5. Power back on. Set network. Restore settings through web interface.

Bingo. It now works. Thanks for the tip!
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I'm not 100% sure what you meant by a "soft reset", but that was enough for me to fix it. Here's what I did:

1. Backup settings via the web interface
2. Go into advanced setup (turn off, hold down "straight" button and hit "main zone")
3. Use "program" keys to cycle to "Initialize". Press "straight" until it says "all".
4. Hit "Main Zone" to power off.
5. Power back on. Set network. Restore settings through web interface.

Bingo. It now works. Thanks for the tip!
That would be a hard or factory reset. A soft reset is just unplugging the power cord for 10 min. Either way glad it worked and that you backed up your settings first.

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Spoiler!



So, there's probably motion 'issues' with all 60VF content. It's just that you notice it more with much motion ongoing.

Have you done the Cycle Resets?

Do you have the motion problem with the NetFlix non-HDR 60VF Test? (See my previous post.) Or with NetFlix Sparks or Meridian?

Direct-Streaming 24VF is ok?

Do these motion issues happen on all default or Custom Picture Modes?


We do know Vizio did some MEMC changes/fixes this time as per Matt's post, so how'd that 'messed' yours (others?), I dunno.

I'll need to carefully review all my 60VF viewing this weekend to make sure nothing is amiss. (Including Sparks and Meridian.)

It somehow may only be you, as I don't think there's been one other post about motion issues with 60VF content/devices. But, it's still kind of early, so maybe others will jump-in on this.



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I've done the cycle resets, no joy. Haven't done any tests with Netflix, but no motion problems viewing content from there. So far streaming 24VF is fine. Haven't tried other picture modes. So far it seems only 60VF sports content is affected. The mystery continues.


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I changed mine to my router DNS, how vet it ruined the cast system on screen apps. It would disconnect constantly. I reset it and changed cast to my 5ghz line and now I get instant UHD streaming with a strong connection.
Did you turn DHCP off after you entered your router's IP as the DNS? Soon as I did that, problems went away(Apple router).

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So this (see picture) has been happening more with 3.3.18.1. Fired up the PimpVision® to the SHIELD (into AVR to HDMI-1) and this stayed up over the picture until I toggled to SmartCast and back. Um, that YouTube is what we call a signal, TV.

Also having severe color weirdness with my X800, YouTube HDR and UHD BDs. I had replaced the cables (along with the one on the SHIELD) and fired up the X800 and start watching Fifth Element and the colors were all extremely red and orange. Completely off! Kick out and put on some YouTube app and watch regular and HDR and then go back to FE and the colors are back to normal. Later I go to watch some YouTube and put on HDR videos and the LG Chess one looked completely wrong; washed-out grayish skin tones, weak reds, just blah. Even in non-HDR it had pop, but it was wrecked. Kick back to menu and go back in (can't recall if I tried the movie in between) and it looks great.

Looking at the Picture settings - I'm using Shoman's basic settings and 2-point; not the 11-point - with the backlight at 40 and I noticed that the Color level on the blah Chess video was at 50, but when it looked good it ramped up to 58. Is this correct behavior for HDR10? Similarly, while watching something in SDR on Netflix with Calibrated mode via Smartcast the Backlight was 85, but then dropped to the proper (right?) level of 50 during CV content.

Anyone else having trouble with video/brightness/color settings not shifting gears? Not sure if this is a P65 or X800 issue or what. I've got the settings on the X800 has neutral and Auto as I can figure.
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I am setting up a new P75-C1 for the first time. For now I've connected it directly to an Xbox One S using the HDMI cable that came with the TV. The Xbox shows that the TV supports 4K 10-bit at 24Hz and HDR video but that it does not support 4K 10-bit at 60Hz or HDR10 for gaming. Is there a setting I have wrong somewhere?

In the TV's tablet remote I go to Display Settings | Inputs | Full UHD Color and enable it for HDMI-1, which is what the Xbox is currently plugged into. But the setting won't stay. As soon as I exit this screen and then come back, Full UHD Color for HDMI-1 has been disabled. I see the same problem if I plug the Xbox into HDMI-4 and try to enable Full UHD Color for HDMI-4. What am I misunderstanding here?

Thanks in advance for any help. This is my first 4K TV and my first HDR TV, so I'm still learning.
http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-o...-on-xbox-one-s
Did you go into the Xbox's video settings? There may be things that need to be enabled there as well. I've an old One, so I can't help you w/ the S user menus. Also remember, HDMI 5 is generally used for gaming(less input lag), but it DOESN'T do HDR on that input.

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Hello,

From where can I order the XRT136 remote for Canada? Thank you.
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From where can I order the XRT136 remote for Canada? Thank you.
The XRT136 remote is not available anywhere yet.
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Did you turn DHCP off after you entered your router's IP as the DNS? Soon as I did that, problems went away(Apple router).
Turning DHCP off within the router settings itself, or just DHCP off on the Vizio app settings?
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http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-o...-on-xbox-one-s
Did you go into the Xbox's video settings? There may be things that need to be enabled there as well. I've an old One, so I can't help you w/ the S user menus. Also remember, HDMI 5 is generally used for gaming(less input lag), but it DOESN'T do HDR on that input.
Thanks for the Xbox support link. Unfortunately nothing there helped.

On the Xbox I have set Color depth to 30 bits per pixel (10-bit) and Color space to Standard. I've enabled Allow HDR, Allow 4K, and Allow YCC 4:2:2.

I am getting an HDR signal while playing a UHD Blu-Ray disc on the Xbox. If I click Info on the TV's remote it says 2160p, HDR10. So maybe everything is working the way it should be? I was just concerned because of the Xbox saying my TV doesn't support 4K 10-bit at 60 hz and because I can't get the UHD Full Color setting to stay enabled on the TV.

I'm using HDMI1, and I've also tried HDMI4 with the same result. I understand that HDR isn't supported on HDMI5.
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Hi MisterEd,

I'm going to have to disagree that this problem is related to cables. I had two P65s replaced because of this problem and I never had one HDMI cable connected to either of the TVs. I'm glad Shoman isn't having this problem any more but my guess is that it's a coincidence that it stopped when he got a new cable. Many, many others have had this problem and most ended up getting a replacement because there is no definitive way to fix it. Open a ticket with Vizio and send them pictures, they will replace it if you're still under warranty.

Search this thread for "horizontal blinds" or "repeating horizontal pattern" and you will see the multitudes of people that have had this problem.

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Replacement has been shipped. Should have it next week.
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Thanks for the Xbox support link. Unfortunately nothing there helped.

On the Xbox I have set Color depth to 30 bits per pixel (10-bit) and Color space to Standard. I've enabled Allow HDR, Allow 4K, and Allow YCC 4:2:2.

I am getting an HDR signal while playing a UHD Blu-Ray disc on the Xbox. If I click Info on the TV's remote it says 2160p, HDR10. So maybe everything is working the way it should be? I was just concerned because of the Xbox saying my TV doesn't support 4K 10-bit at 60 hz and because I can't get the UHD Full Color setting to stay enabled on the TV.

I'm using HDMI1, and I've also tried HDMI4 with the same result. I understand that HDR isn't supported on HDMI5.
[email protected] 4:2:2 10 bit is not supported by HDMI, [email protected] 4:2:2 12 bit is supported.
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Recent posts got me thinking of upgrading my Directv equipment to latest, so I can get their 4K programming. Would love to hear others's experience with 4K Directv on the Vizio P series? I was hoping to go through my AVR, as that is how I have everything else connected, and that all works fine. Most interested in their free 4K channels...any good?
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Just did a little reading over at the DTV web site, and it appears that with these Vizios we'll also need a C61 mini with at least an HR54 or later to see their 4k programming. That will create another $7 charge on their bill.
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I have 4k DirecTV and honestly it sucks. Audio on normal hd channels will disappear very briefly every couple of minutes, which has forced me to leave Closed captioning on nearly all the time. Takes nearly a minute to tune to a 4k channel of which you only have three, one is pay per view, one is a 4k documentary channel (like planet Earth 2 and foreign language snowboarding stuff), and the other channel has Garth Brooks concerts and 4k baseball (but you can't watch your home team)
Don't waste time or money on DirecTV 4K. Sound stuttering was so annoying on almost every HD channel I removed the C61K and replaced it with the HR54 and stuck the c61K in a drawer.
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