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"[First step -- ensure that you've connected an HDMI 1.4 or later compliant cable between the ARC HDMI port on the Vizio TV (its labeled as ARC) and the ARC enabled monitor port on the Denon Receiver (its is also labeled as ARC). None of the other ports on either the TV or the Denon receiver will support ARC. Also -- ARC technology was not implemented in the HDMI standard until version 1.4 -- so just to be safe, make sure you have a more recent cable.

Set up your Vizio TV -- Go to the Menu on the Vizio TV, and into the Audio settings. Turn your TV Speakers to "Off", and "Digital Audio Out" to Bitstream". The other settings here can be set to whatever you'd like. Then, go to the Main Menu again, and select "Devices". What you should see if the Denon receiver is turned on, is HDMI-1 labeled as "AVR-X1100W". If you see that, it means the TV has discovered the Denon receiver properly. if not... don't worry, we'll fix that next. Finally, go back to the Main Menu, select "System", then select "CEC". Make sure "CEC" is set to "Enabled".

Set up your Denon Receiver -- Bring up the onscreen menu for the Denon Receiver ("Setup" on your remote). Select "Video" and then "HDMI Setup".
Turn "HDMI Control" to "On" and here is the key.... turn "TV Audio Switching" to "Off". (That last setting is not the most intuitive and tripped me up for a long time....) The other settings in this menu can be changed as you see fit.

Back out of the setup menu, and you should be good to go at this point.

Note -- when you use the Vizio TV as your source for audio (either the tuner or the imbedded apps), make sure you select "TV Audio" as your source on your Denon receiver. This tells the receiver to listen to the ARC information from the TV on the Denon HDMI port for audio."

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I'm ARC'ing to my heart's content with my Pioneer AVR. Good audio sync as well. I use ARC for Smartcast, but until recently I did the same with the TOSLink port. For casting sourced audio there is a zero sum gain whether you go with ARC or TOSLink because you won't find any uncompressed audio hiding in a HEVC stream.

There are several members with Denon's who have reported zero problems with ARC. Maybe one of them will chime in. My experience in getting it to work with my setup is that I discovered that you need both ends of the chain to be set to ARC ONLY. Apparently you can't have ARC + Control as the audio won't work if you do.
Do you get DD+ when using Vizio Cast Netflix? I have a Pioneer SC-95 and I cannot get a DD+ signal through ARC to save my life.
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When will be the Youtube App added to the smartcast screen, its very basic app where usage is greater but still missing on the onscreen
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Do you get DD+ when using Vizio Cast Netflix? I have a Pioneer SC-95 and I cannot get a DD+ signal through ARC to save my life.
I didn't get DD+ with Netflix, but I did with Vudu. Also, I get it with the DirecTV 4K channels. So I'm thinking it's a Netflix server thing or the app needs some tweaking. This is beta FW, so there's some things that are not all there yet.

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I've never noticed that. I do know the calibration changes some.

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I noticed this while watching, Fate of the Furious DV Vudu.

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The gain is DD+ and Atmos with Arc.

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You're right. I forgot about Vudu!

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Is there anything I can stream for FREE on this tv to see what HDR looks like? I've never tried ir or tested it. Just wondering if there's a way to see it somehow with all the thousands of chrome cast apps without paying a fee to try it. I don't have any add on items like a firestock, etc. Can I?
p75-C1, Version 3.3.18.1, cast version 1.22.78594.
So yes I think you are correct. Not sure about this so someone correct me where I'm wrong.
Using the cast visio app on TV: no HDR for Hulu, Vudu, Amazon, NexFlix...is that correct?
4K for Vudu, Amazon, NetFlix, no for Hulu...is that correct?
So bottom line the fantastic picture I'm getting now is only going to get better as content providers catch up to the technology in my display...I can live with that.

Correct me where I'm wrong. Also when I cast, from the table or phone, I did not get HDR from the VUDU free HDR examples. But now that I think of it how would I know that HDR is working. It was 480P and look fantastic.

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Can you guys really see the difference with Dolby vision and hdr10 on Netflix ? I have been experimenting and I hate how slow the SmartCast is to load initially, the Roku ultra is so snappy and easy. Idk I can't see a difference at all.
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You will have to do a side by side in order to see a difference. What you can look for though, is detail, highlights that lack blooming. Primary colors pop more.

1) Is there some type of clip or movie that demonstrates Doubly Vision or HDR10 and switches it on/off on the same scene as a test to see what it does? There has to be a video loop out there or something that shows this as a test?

2) I noticed this with the Amazon app and Vudo I just tried both for 4k movies. When you first start the 4k movie and hit info it's sometimes at 1080P, then will ramp up to 4k and stay there. I guess this is normal?


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I'm experiencing a lack of consistent responsiveness when casting, wondering if the set is confused by which connection to select and related speed issues.

Any thoughts if the set is more stable with Ethernet or WiFi?
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I think it's slower to load so it 4k from the start.... Which I prefer.
I've it hook up ethernet and Wifi and there's no difference.

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p75-C1, Version 3.3.18.1, cast version 1.22.78594.
So yes I think you are correct. Not sure about this so someone correct me where I'm wrong.
Using the cast visio app on TV: no HDR for Hulu, Vudu, Amazon, NexFlix...is that correct?
4K for Vudu, Amazon, NetFlix, no for Hulu...is that correct?
So bottom line the fantastic picture I'm getting now is only going to get better as content providers catch up to the technology in my display...I can live with that.

Correct me where I'm wrong. Also when I cast, from the table or phone, I did not get HDR from the VUDU free HDR examples. But now that I think of it how would I know that HDR is working. It was 480P and look fantastic.

hope this made sense
There is free HDR on Vudu. Here's how.

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Vizio sponsored some short films that are available for free on Vudu. You need a Vudu account to add them to your collection and watch them, but they are free.

https://filmchallenge.vizio.com

Otherwise, as others have mentioned, there are some free demos you can download and play via USB. Check the first post of this thread to find a few: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-hi...ted-often.html
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Yep. Just be sure to play/add the UHD versions. And if you use the Chrome browser on your PC, you can cast directly from that if you don't want to install the app on your phone.
The movie SHUN and THE FLESH OF MY LOVERS seems to look the best out of all 5. But, I've seen stuff on youtube look much better that isn't HDR.

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1) Is there some type of clip or movie that demonstrates Doubly Vision or HDR10 and switches it on/off on the same scene as a test to see what it does? There has to be a video loop out there or something that shows this as a test?

2) I noticed this with the Amazon app and Vudo I just tried both for 4k movies. When you first start the 4k movie and hit info it's sometimes at 1080P, then will ramp up to 4k and stay there. I guess this is normal?






I've it hook up ethernet and Wifi and there's no difference.
For your question #2 , yes it's normal to start at 1080p then go to 4k, it reduces the buffer time and complaints from people who think it takes too long to start a program

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For your question #2 , yes it's normal to start at 1080p then go to 4k, it reduces the buffer time and complaints from people who think it takes too long to start a program
Cool, so even if hardwired to ethernet it's the same scenario?
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Cool, so even if hardwired to ethernet it's the same scenario?
Yup. It's intentional behavior

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p75-C1, Version 3.3.18.1, cast version 1.22.78594.
So yes I think you are correct. Not sure about this so someone correct me where I'm wrong.
Using the cast visio app on TV: no HDR for Hulu, Vudu, Amazon, NexFlix...is that correct?
No, that's not correct. HDR is available on NetFlix and Vudu (if you pay for it). As others have noted, there is some (limited) free HDR content available on Vudu.

It does not matter whether you use the on-screen interface or cast from the tablet; NF and Vudu offer 4K/HDR.

Amazon (on-screen) offers 4k but no HDR at the moment. We are promised that HDR will be turned on soon.

Hulu does not offer 4k on any device except the game consoles ATM.

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4K for Vudu, Amazon, NetFlix, no for Hulu...is that correct?
So bottom line the fantastic picture I'm getting now is only going to get better as content providers catch up to the technology in my display...I can live with that.

Correct me where I'm wrong. Also when I cast, from the table or phone, I did not get HDR from the VUDU free HDR examples. But now that I think of it how would I know that HDR is working. It was 480P and look fantastic.

hope this made sense
I found that if I just tried to play the demos on Vudu, i did not get 4k/HDR. If instead I clicked "Own", and chose to purchase the UHD versions (for $0), then I could play the Dolby Vision versions.
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Now that I've got the latest firmware with the on-screen apps, I was looking forward to finishing up American Gods in 4K on Amazon, but I can't seem to find the UHD version. Does anyone know if the UHD version isn't available in the US or I'm missing something? I can see other UHD titles available via the app.
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1) Is there some type of clip or movie that demonstrates Doubly Vision or HDR10 and switches it on/off on the same scene as a test to see what it does? There has to be a video loop out there or something that shows this as a test?
1. Kudos for the Spinal Tap reference. I've used it in this context myself.

B. As for toggling HDR10/DV on and off mid-clip, I don't think that's possible because (I believe) whenever HD content is plays, it sends a meta flag to the display to shift the transfer case into 4WD/HDR mode and it can't (again, I believe) be switched on and off mid-stream and would cause the screen to blank out in between modes.

I suppose a clip could be graded in HDR space to simulate Rec. 709 the way those demo loops which simulate the difference HDR makes in SDR, but actually mode switching, not really. (If I'm wrong, the Internet will swiftly arrive to correct all of this.)
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1) Is there some type of clip or movie that demonstrates Doubly Vision or HDR10 and switches it on/off on the same scene as a test to see what it does? There has to be a video loop out there or something that shows this as a test?

2) I noticed this with the Amazon app and Vudo I just tried both for 4k movies. When you first start the 4k movie and hit info it's sometimes at 1080P, then will ramp up to 4k and stay there. I guess this is normal?






I've it hook up ethernet and Wifi and there's no difference.
I don't have a link, but there are some downloads in the "master list" thread for current and upcoming HDR titles.
There are some demos for download there, DV and HDR10.

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Official Vizio 2016/2017 P Series Owners Thread UHD/HDR/DV No Price Talk Please

What I mean by liking the Roku better was about the SmartCast interface. When I input into SmartCast on screen menu it takes at least 10 sec to load up.. its slow and reminds me a lot of my 2014 e series apps... when I use the Roku it's incredibly fast and just works perfectly. I'm hoping they can make the menu interface faster because right now it just seems thrown together. I know it's beta so I'm hoping there is a way to add casting apps (I know you farts will say they aren't apps ) I want to be able to sort my apps I use and get rid of the ones I don't. That's all. Really not asking for much.i feel this tv simply cannot handle a faster system due to it being made without the notion of having a built in system.


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Any fellow Vizio P Series owners have Ethernet connected and WiFi active and find that the system switches from one to the other on a continual basis? Typically, past HW connected to both will select the primary or strongest networking option. Should I disable WiFi?

On a related note, with 100mbs service from Verizon FiOS, the speed fluctuates from 25mbs to 60mbs for Ethernet. What is the experience of others?

I'm experiencing a lack of consistent responsiveness when casting, wondering if the set is confused by which connection to select and related speed issues.

Any thoughts if the set is more stable with Ethernet or WiFi?
I have a 150Mbs fiber internet connection and my P75 is connected by an Ethernet cable through an intelligent gig switch to the fiber router. It never switches to WiFi, the ethernet connection is always stable.

If you are loosing connection on Ethernet it has to be your router, cabling or a switch you have in the signal chain that is intermittent.
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What I mean by liking the Roku better was about the SmartCast interface. When I input into SmartCast on screen menu it takes at least 10 sec to load up.. its slow and reminds me a lot of my 2014 e series apps... when I use the Roku it's incredibly fast and just works perfectly. I'm hoping they can make the menu interface faster because right now it just seems thrown together. I know it's beta so I'm hoping there is a way to add casting apps (I know you farts will say they aren't apps ) I want to be able to sort my apps I use and get rid of the ones I don't. That's all. Really not asking for much.i feel this tv simply cannot handle a faster system due to it being made without the notion of having a built in system

It's because it's a cloud based system and the apps need to load, they aren't on the circuit board like the 2014 m for example. I hope some of it is due to it being a beta but yea, loading and exiting out of apps takes just as long. Longer than my 2014 m series. At least they could have the app load in the screen first and then show an actual progress bar to make it seem shorter

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It's because it's a cloud based system and the apps need to load, they aren't on the circuit board like the 2014 m for example. I hope some of it is due to it being a beta but yea, loading and exiting out of apps takes just as long. Longer than my 2014 m series. At least they could have the app load in the screen first and then show an actual progress bar to make it seem shorter


Agreed , honestly it's just not good enough for me. This is their premium tier tv and I expect it to feel like it when navigating .


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No, that's not correct. HDR is available on NetFlix and Vudu (if you pay for it). As others have noted, there is some (limited) free HDR content available on Vudu.

It does not matter whether you use the on-screen interface or cast from the tablet; NF and Vudu offer 4K/HDR.

Amazon (on-screen) offers 4k but no HDR at the moment. We are promised that HDR will be turned on soon.

Hulu does not offer 4k on any device except the game consoles ATM.



I found that if I just tried to play the demos on Vudu, i did not get 4k/HDR. If instead I clicked "Own", and chose to purchase the UHD versions (for $0), then I could play the Dolby Vision versions.
Thank you this was great feedback.
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"[First step -- ensure that you've connected an HDMI 1.4 or later compliant cable between the ARC HDMI port on the Vizio TV (its labeled as ARC) and the ARC enabled monitor port on the Denon Receiver (its is also labeled as ARC). None of the other ports on either the TV or the Denon receiver will support ARC. Also -- ARC technology was not implemented in the HDMI standard until version 1.4 -- so just to be safe, make sure you have a more recent cable.

Set up your Vizio TV -- Go to the Menu on the Vizio TV, and into the Audio settings. Turn your TV Speakers to "Off", and "Digital Audio Out" to Bitstream". The other settings here can be set to whatever you'd like. Then, go to the Main Menu again, and select "Devices". What you should see if the Denon receiver is turned on, is HDMI-1 labeled as "AVR-X1100W". If you see that, it means the TV has discovered the Denon receiver properly. if not... don't worry, we'll fix that next. Finally, go back to the Main Menu, select "System", then select "CEC". Make sure "CEC" is set to "Enabled".

Set up your Denon Receiver -- Bring up the onscreen menu for the Denon Receiver ("Setup" on your remote). Select "Video" and then "HDMI Setup".
Turn "HDMI Control" to "On" and here is the key.... turn "TV Audio Switching" to "Off". (That last setting is not the most intuitive and tripped me up for a long time....) The other settings in this menu can be changed as you see fit.

Back out of the setup menu, and you should be good to go at this point.

Note -- when you use the Vizio TV as your source for audio (either the tuner or the imbedded apps), make sure you select "TV Audio" as your source on your Denon receiver. This tells the receiver to listen to the ARC information from the TV on the Denon HDMI port for audio."

***** Nope didn't work - even printed it out- to fallow stepXstep.. didn't give me NF into AVR
I have the x2300w and I have mine set up exactly like these instructions and it's works for me. Sometimes I do lose connection and have to unplug everything for a few minutes and I'm ok again.

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Now that I've got the latest firmware with the on-screen apps, I was looking forward to finishing up American Gods in 4K on Amazon, but I can't seem to find the UHD version. Does anyone know if the UHD version isn't available in the US or I'm missing something? I can see other UHD titles available via the app.
No, the 4k version of American Gods is not available on Amazon in the US. Hopefully we'll get it eventually. But it's a distribution rights thing. It's a Starz show and only available on Starz in the US, which can only do HD. But since Starz doesn't distribute elsewhere, they released it via Amazon, which can do 4k.
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Agreed , honestly it's just not good enough for me. This is their premium tier tv and I expect it to feel like it when navigating .
Agree. I think if it preloaded the apps when you turned the tv on, BUT, BUT then it would take a lot longer for the tv to boot up, and things like google home turning on your TV and playing things would super slow down. Maybe instead of a global change there couldbe an option in settings to have apps preloaded or not preloaded when the tv turns on, for those that still want their tv to turn on almost instantly. Just thinking out loud, and maybe that can't even be done. I love that my tv can start displaying a picture in about 4 seconds!

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Anyone else seeing lip sync issues on the latest firmware? Before the update, I was using Calibrated Dark with GLL on and Auto Lip Sync turned off on my Onkyo TX NR646 and lip sync was perfect. After the firmware update, I have to have Auto Lip Sync turned on in my receiver for Blu Ray and casting, and off for DIRECTV to have proper lip sync.
I think I figured this out. Previous firmware allowed Game Low Latency and Pure Cinema to both be on. Now it's one or another. Weak.
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I think I figured this out. Previous firmware allowed Game Low Latency and Pure Cinema to both be on. Now it's one or another. Weak.
I was noticing I was having lip sync issues last night where I'd never before and this reminded me that (IIRC) shoman had suggested turning GLL on to deal with motion issues and I'd said that I'd tried that before, but noticed lipsyc issues (had to dial in 16 ms in the Denon for some stuff, 30 ms on the X800 for others) and that I couldn't toggle PC on and judder/blur sliders were locked out. Go now and see GLL is on, so I flip it off, zero out the Denon adjustment and everything's fine. Pfft.

As for the ARC mystery, I'm looking at the instructions I'd posted (and others have seen) and my setup is rather different and ARC is working flawlessly for me. Let's look:

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Set up your Vizio TV -- Go to the Menu on the Vizio TV, and into the Audio settings. Turn your TV Speakers to "Off", and "Digital Audio Out" to Bitstream".
My Digital Audio Out is set to Auto. I'd set it to Bitstreaming before, but must've forgetten after the last factory reset and since I didn't have issues, never looked.

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Then, go to the Main Menu again, and select "Devices". What you should see if the Denon receiver is turned on, is HDMI-1 labeled as "AVR-X1100W".
It's called Input Settings, not Devices, but I'm seeing the AVR name.

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Finally, go back to the Main Menu, select "System", then select "CEC". Make sure "CEC" is set to "Enabled".
Mine is set to ARC only.

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Turn "HDMI Control" to "On" and here is the key.... turn "TV Audio Switching" to "Off". (That last setting is not the most intuitive and tripped me up for a long time....)
TV Audio Switching on mine is set to On.

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mattmcrae Im having the same problem as others with no connection detected. Using pc as input and game as pic mode.pc to receiver. Receiver to tv. Firmware 3.3.18 tv.

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The latest SmartCast firmware supports 50Hz and 100Hz, but these modes are not exposed via EDID. One of the upcoming FW updates will include these modes in the EDID too, so that devices querying the display capabilities (such as consoles and PCs) will have 50Hz as an option too.
Thanks for the info! I upgraded from the Vizio 2015 M-series to the 2016 Vizio P-series last year to enable all of these great features and that one yellow information bubble is just bugging me.
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