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No big deal. Not sure if you can delete a thread or not. Just email the site admins and explain. The other fellow mentioned is not an admin... just a very great, helpful guy.

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This is the vertical banding I'm experiencing. Is this too much or what others are experiencing? I've uploaded an off-axis video as well as center viewing video. When viewing from the center, I can only notice banding toward the right side of the screen during light scenes.


I have the same issue, Best Buy is replacing my set next Saturday, but from what I've seen from other forum members and my research this seems to be "normal"
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This is the vertical banding I'm experiencing. Is this too much or what others are experiencing? I've uploaded an off-axis video as well as center viewing video. When viewing from the center, I can only notice banding toward the right side of the screen during light scenes.

I don't see any banding in the second video, only in the first. Since I don't watch sports I wouldn't be able to comment as to whether my P75 exhibits this or not. More specifically, I haven't seen any banding on movies (bluray, streamed from Netflix or Vudu) or while playing video games with my PS4.
I don't just get it on sports...basically anything with a constant light background, so golf (light green and blue/white) and soccer (light green). Noticed it during light scenes in Dope and during Daredevel as well. Might need to switch the TV out for a new one.
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I have the same issue, Best Buy is replacing my set next Saturday, but from what I've seen from other forum members and my research this seems to be "normal"


Agreed. Mine is basically the same. Don't notice in center, can see them from off angle, worse on lighter colors like hockey.

Highly doubt any sets won't have it.
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Owners interested in calibration:



It's a pretty technical discussion with a fairly steep learning curve. It's been suggested that we offshoot the calibration discussion of the 2016 P series to a thread in the Calibration area. I personally think that's a good idea but feedback welcome as well as a someone to start the thread.



That doesn't mean we can't address basics here or post settings and such, but the deep dive would be elsewhere.



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It seems like any screens 65inches and bigger seems to have the most banding problems. Is it an issue with manufacturing bigger sizes? how many people that buy these tvs really return them for banding? You would think that the TV makers would tighten quality control to minimize losses.
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It seems like any screens 65inches and bigger seems to have the most banding problems. Is it an issue with manufacturing bigger sizes? how many people that buy these tvs really return them for banding? You would think that the TV makers would tighten quality control to minimize losses.
Is this banding issue in a lot of the 65 and bigger sets, I haven't been keeping track and my Samsung un55b8500 is only 55?
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Is this banding issue in a lot of the 65 and bigger sets, I haven't been keeping track and my Samsung un55b8500 is only 55?
I was looking at the 75x850c, looks like banding is normal on them.
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I actually did start a Calibration thread for this P series but it's my first thread ever started so I don't know how much experience I have. Willing to learn though!

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Just noticed it's in the LCD Panel folder. You should really start the thread in the Calibration area.


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Click the "report" button and ask for it to be moved to the Calibration section this will notify the mods of what needs to be done.
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It seems like any screens 65inches and bigger seems to have the most banding problems. Is it an issue with manufacturing bigger sizes? how many people that buy these tvs really return them for banding? You would think that the TV makers would tighten quality control to minimize losses.


The thinner the sets get the closer the screens get to the backlight system. Only so much you can hide when dealing with a transparent screen while some banding/DSE is pretty common with LCD, it should let be "extreme".

For new owners, the more you look for problems the more likely you are to find something. Being a part of this forum is both a blessing and a curse. Sometimes just enjoying your TV is the best thing to do
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I apologize, I actually created one in the Display Calibration already and pm'd DrDon I believe it was to see if he could delete the first one.....what a mess.....haha
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Its to bad the only places to buy is vizio.com and BB. I was there Friday and they didn't have the P's and I asked about them and he just started talking down on them. Started with it being without a tuner, I told him when was the last time you needed one in this area. Then he said Sony and Samsung were so much better and I asked which one of those actually does HDR10 in future update and DV, He thought for a minute and moved on, lol. Never talked to him the rest of the time I was there!!!

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assuming someone wasn't satisfied with the 720P rendering on the P series, are there boxes available that can upconvert? such as a 4K DVD player?
The P series does a great job with 1080P & 4K so you just need something to upscale it to 1080P. I use my Pioneer receiver and it looks pretty good. It mostly depends on the channel. I also use a Darbee 5000S to sharpen and enhance detail on the cable signal. These two things in conjunction make cable very watchable on my 75" screen from 7.5' away.
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Its to bad the only places to buy is vizio.com and BB. I was there Friday and they didn't have the P's and I asked about them and he just started talking down on them. Started with it being without a tuner, I told him when was the last time you needed one in this area. Then he said Sony and Samsung were so much better and I asked which one of those actually does HDR10 in future update and DV, He thought for a minute and moved on, lol. Never talked to him the rest of the time I was there!!!
BB in Annapolis, MD is set up nicely.
They have a P75 on display in the Magnolia showroom.
It is looping a Vizio promo and some sample Lego 4K DV. Looks great, although it was a real drive-by, did not get a chance to play or analyze in depth.
Did not get a chance to talk to anybody in the showroom, but spent quite a bit a time a couple weeks back and they are open-minded and relatively smart.
Probably just luck of the draw with how the stores are staffed.
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Agreed. Mine is basically the same. Don't notice in center, can see them from off angle, worse on lighter colors like hockey.

Highly doubt any sets won't have it.
I have it as well. Anytime a fast pan over light colors it's there. It really doesn't bother me that much since I've seen a form of banding on nearly every LED set I've ever seen. This includes the Samsung 9500 & Sony 940. Many people with higher end sets will say they don't have it. I say bless their hearts for not seeing it.
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The P series does a great job with 1080P & 4K so you just need something to upscale it to 1080P. I use my Pioneer receiver and it looks pretty good. It mostly depends on the channel. I also use a Darbee 5000S to sharpen and enhance detail on the cable signal. These two things in conjunction make cable very watchable on my 75" screen from 7.5' away.
I plug my xfininty box into my Xbox one and watch TV through my Xbox. Do you think that would upscale to 1080p?

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I just noticed slight banding when watching Interstellar -- there was a medium-fast pan and the sky was a solid warm white color. It sucks but it seems to be normal for LCD.

Like a lot of you I'm experiencing the advantages and disadvantages of LED/LCD for the first time. I've only ever had plasma and RPTVs before so the banding and off-axis washout isn't familiar to me -- but the brightness, resolution, contrast, and color improvements of this set outweigh the negatives.

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I called my local Bestbuy and they didn't have a Vizio on display and didn't know when they would have one....which one did yours have the 75...thanks in advance. Anyone here in the San Francisco bay area know if there local BestBuy has one to look at?
I saw the P75 at the Mountain View BB today. If they have it, the BB in San Carlos probably does too because their Magnolia department is a design center.
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assuming someone wasn't satisfied with the 720p rendering on the p series, are there boxes available that can upconvert? Such as a 4k dvd player?
OPPO 103 but I would wait for their new player sometime late this year -- or later.

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Is there a way to move it?
And, above all, don't forget to post three or four times to reserve space at the top of the thread to collect valuable information in one location. You will be updating those posts a lot.

EDIT: Sorry, I came back too late, but now I've seen a P75.

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So it appears if you turn on Game Mode and Clear Action it strobes at 60hz which causes pretty bad flickering. Now of course this makes sense to do if I was gaming at 60hz, but I'm gaming at 120hz. When I leave Clear Actionon and turn off Game Mode not only does the flickering clear but the motion gets even better. It's actually incredibly clear, but sadly you have to give up low latency.

I hope Vizio comes up with an update to fix this.
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Do you have any calibration experience?

And, above all, don't forget to post three or four times to reserve space at the top of the thread to collect valuable information in one location. You will be updating those posts a lot.
Haha....I do. Probably not as much as some but I have spent a lot of time with my meter and Calman software........just ask my wife. I will use the first post for general info and calibration links.
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So it appears if you turn on Game Mode and Active LED Zones it strobes at 60hz which causes pretty bad flickering. Now of course this makes sense to do if I was gaming at 60hz, but I'm gaming at 120hz. When I leave Active LED on and turn off Game Mode not only does the flickering clear but the motion gets even better. It's actually incredibly clear, but sadly you have to give up low latency.

I hope Vizio comes up with an update to fix this.
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I advised my Father-in-Law to pick up the P75 and BB advised him to go with an edge lit Samsung. He ended up picking up an edge lit from Costco for the same price as the P75. He got it home and realized the PQ wasn't as good as it had lines across the screen. He now has a P75 on order. Vizio should really lean on BB to stop the spread of misinformation.

I stopped by one of the other best buys in my area and they finally had a p50 on display. The two guys I spoke to were probably almost as enthusiastic about it as the people in this thread. They didn't have every fact right but they had literally just got it. There is a major difference in the sales techniques between the geeks and the people who don't really care about tech.

They had a Vizio loop running and in the store lighting I thought it looked just as good as everything besides maybe the oled screens. I could see a bit of judder but no worse than I see on cinema projectors (including imax digital). Hopefully the 120hz panels are a little better. Didn't notice the backlight flicker I see on some other panels even though it is PWM
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Haha....I do. Probably not as much as some but I have spent a lot of time with my meter and Calman software........just ask my wife. I will use the first post for general info and calibration links.
I read your other posts after I saw the one I quoted. I've deleted that question.

It looks like some other "serious" calibrators have reserved posts two and three. When I started the thread that's linked at the bottom of my post I accidentally did a second post without realizing how helpful it would be. If you check the first two posts in my calibration report thread, you'll see that links can do wonders.

Best wishes for your new job.

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I read your other posts after I saw the one I quoted. I've deleted that question.

It looks like some other "serious" calibrators have reserved posts two and three. When I started the thread that's linked at the bottom of my post I accidentally did a second post without realizing how helpful it would be. If you check the first two posts in my calibration report thread, you'll see that links can do wonders.

Best wishes for your new job.

NOTE: The idea to use the report link to let a moderator know you want to delete the first thread. I don't know if they can do it, but they will know who to contact.
The first one has been deleted already so there is good news there! I will do my best to keep up.
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I plug my xfininty box into my Xbox one and watch TV through my Xbox. Do you think that would upscale to 1080p?

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If you are looking for something to be better than the P series you'll need to look into a mid to high end receiver or an external processor. Here's one from a pretty reputable brand

http://www.amazon.com/DVDO-DVDO-4KSV...ords=4k+scaler

I can't vouch for it but it should be better than the P series if you don't have a good receiver. The Xbox One wouldn't be what you are looking for.
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The first one has been deleted already so there is good news there! I will do my best to keep up.
I can't help directly because the last time I can recall having a light meter in my hands was in the early 60s. I never touch settings on our calibrated display.

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So it appears if you turn on Game Mode and Clear Action it strobes at 60hz which causes pretty bad flickering. Now of course this makes sense to do if I was gaming at 60hz, but I'm gaming at 120hz. When I leave Clear Action on and turn off Game Mode not only does the flickering clear but the motion gets even better. It's actually incredibly clear, but sadly you have to give up low latency.

I hope Vizio comes up with an update to fix this.
Which P do you have?
P65

Also I totally messed up my post, I meant CLEAR ACTION, not active LED.
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