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Sounds great. I'll give it a try tonight. I tried doing a service check the other night, but it didn't seem to do anything.
You need to do a service reset. The service check i think it just do a self test and logs it. The Reset will collect the info it gather and just resets some services. This new TV/display comes in with a motherboard and GPU, with an OS. Is no different from a PC/OS, they will get bugs. -_-

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CNET posted article this morning: "HDR is TV's next big format war, and Samsung and Sony could find themselves on the losing side"

Good read.

http://www.cnet.com/news/dolby-visio...tv-format-war/

I have a feeling this may not be something I'm supposed to include in this thread, but I rationalized it since this tv is one of the few that can support both formats this year. Feel free to delete if I'm wrong.


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I believe that there is a reason behind the scenes as to why samsung and sony aren't including Dolby Vision in their tvs. The simple answer would to say that it's too "expensive" and certainly this statement would carry weight and have some credence......................except that Vizio and LG have it in theirs. So if Sony and Samsung are top tier as most say you're going to tell me that they can't implement that tech into their already super expensive inflated priced tvs??

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Has to be in Calibrated Dark (Dolby's recommended setting)... If you edit the PM, it will hold your edits.

See page 1, Post 1... Lots's of observations and notes.
Thanks. I haven't had a chance to read everything in the thread yet. I like how the first post stays up to date though.
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Thanks. I haven't had a chance to read everything in the thread yet. I like how the first post stays up to date though.
Thanks! Not sure how long I'll sustain it but good for now. Any input is welcome.

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OK. Spent the last 2 days tinkering with a new P65 in our extremely well lit living room.

First things first... great TV I wasn't sure about going to a 65 from a 60, if I would really notice the 5 inches, but the difference is certainly appreciable! I could be content with this size.

I'll start out with the bad: the choice of finish on the screen. I'm NOT a fan and it is the only real negative I can find about the TV. Going from a Mitsubishi 1080 RP to a Panasonic ST60 to a Samsung F8000 series (all glossy TVs), I'm really struggling with this semi gloss panel. In a bright room, I would rather have the sharp reflections and rainbows versus this hard core blooming glow. At night the screen seems a "tad" more muted than I'm used to but still very nice. As an aside, my wife absolutely doesn't care..she loves the TV.

Now that the negative is out of the way..

I've been extremely lucky with this unit. No dead/stuck pixels and if there is a yellow line I can't see it. I just barely notice the dimming zones on bright backgrounds when panning.. a complete non-issue for me vs clouding/blooming/bleed on a side lit panel.

I'm using Calibrated for day and night. Backlight at 75 or 80, judder and blur at 2 each, sharpness at 20, gamma 2.2 but I've found that I like brightness at 40.

Black levels, boy oh boy does this thing have some amazing black levels! Star Wars and Pacific Rim looked fantastic. Whites are bright and crisp...way brighter than my Sammy F8000.

Colors seem very accurate... my wife has the eye for color and she prefers this TV hands down over the F8000 for colors and sharpness (using Movie on the Samsung and Warm 2).

Motion is great. I noticed a blurring/darkening on the Samsung that I do not see on the P65 when panning while gaming. Funny I didn't pay attention to that until I got this TV.

DV- I tried Pacific Rim from Vudu. The HDR is a nice but subtle effect and at this point I'm not sure if it is something Joe Sixpack will really notice.. especially if he is used to running his tv on Standard or Vivid mode (we know that so many folks do). I do appreciate what it brings to the table and I'm glad to have it. Looking forward to HDR10 as well.

Gaming- this tv is great. No blur, smooth and nice response feel. I'm happy.

Overall, I'd say you cannot go wrong with this P series! If we can sell the house in time.. I'll swap for the P75. If not, I have to decide between this 65" and the B6 OLED.. ugg.
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A few general comments after reading some posts from the last few hours:

1. 4k/60 4:4:4 10bit. If you want to push that resolution to anything, you had better have a good cable. You can waltz over the the Samsung UBD K8500 Bluray player thread for the best information on the site. There is ONE cable over 15' feet that they've proved to work... $899. There are going to be a lot of short cables that are not going to work.
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I have seen this a few times now...you CAN'T push this through anything. It is outside of the HDMI 2.0 spec so no matter what cable is connected it isn't going to work as the HDMI chipsets won't pass it. Only 4:2:0 is inside the 4K/60 10 bit spec.
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I have seen this a few times now...you CAN'T push this through anything. It is outside of the HDMI 2.0 spec so no matter what cable is connected it isn't going to work as the HDMI chipsets won't pass it. Only 4:2:0 is inside the 4K/60 10 bit spec.
You are correct. (editing the post and page 1.)

Vizio states:

HDMI 1-4 support the following:

[email protected] 4:4:4, up to 8bit per color
[email protected] 4:2:2, up to 12bit per color
[email protected] 4:2:0, up to 12 bit per color


HDMI 5 is a low latency (gaming) port that supports:

[email protected], 4:2:0, up to 10bit per color
[email protected], 4:4:4, up to 10bit per color
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While I have not watch pacific rim in DV, I hear it is very subtle like you said. Check out in the heart of the sea. It looks incredible. You will notice right away.
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While I have not watch pacific rim in DV, I hear it is very subtle like you said. Check out in the heart of the sea. It looks incredible. You will notice right away.
Pacific Rim is outstanding in DV. Blew me away. Demo material for the P series.

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DV- I tried Pacific Rim from Vudu. The HDR is a nice but subtle effect and at this point I'm not sure if it is something Joe Sixpack will really notice.. especially if he is used to running his tv on Standard or Vivid mode (we know that so many folks do). I do appreciate what it brings to the table and I'm glad to have it. Looking forward to HDR10 as well..
the industry will have to start adding day modes to HDR TVs, otherwise people will be returning tvs left and right complaining that they are broken and dim.


HDR looks pretty awful unless viewed in a dark room, which according to Samsung accounts for only like 10% of tv viewing.
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[QUOTE=isaurio;43162114]Is normal, is like any other tablet or phone. The greater the brightness the more battery it will use. Adjust brightness about 15%-20%, it should be good to view. Maybe down the line they will update the OS for better battery life. For now decrease the brightness.[/QUOTE

I made sure I turned down the screen brightness. Even though this shouldn't matter, as the tablet is dying within 18 hours of just standby mode with the screen turned off and black. No apps running in the back ground and literally turned to standby mode from the moment I turned it on just to check. Also checked the battery usage app and it literally said 3% screen usage with 38% percent battery life left from being charged at 100%, with absolutely nothing else using power. I basically think I got a defective battery on the tablet that won't hold a charge. Matt said it should last 14 days on standby mode and just thought it was odd mine can't even make it a day on standby mode. It doesn't matter to much, as I have a new replacement coming tomorrow for a few stuck pixels, but just thought I would see if anyone else had extreme battery drain problems.
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I definitely have no issues with relatively minor early adoption bugs. Upscaling can be easily solved with an external box. My concern is just what is software vs what is hardware. On the pc issue, if it is purely a software issue that will definitely be fixed I am happy to go buy the screen this week. Just would like reassurance that it is, in fact, software.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they change to an 8 core processor with this series coming from a 6 core used before? I would not be all that surprised if the upscaling engine hasn't yet been optimized for the new processor. Scaling and de-interlacing issues can be improved via software (within the constraints of the processor of course) and I would be very surprised if this does not happen. Am I expecting Sony level...no, but I doubt we have seen the best the P series can do in this department.
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Can anyone comment on how well the Denon X4200W upscales satellite-based content compared to the P-series? I have a X7200WA connected to a JVC front projector in my dedicated theater room but I don't use it to do any upscaling. It'd be an apples-to-oranges comparison anyway.

I'm getting the X4200W so I can use it to switch all of my sources (and for 5.1.2 Atmos/DTS:X); if it's a decent upscaler so much the better.
Which satellite based content? Because if it's DirecTV they use some decent scalers in their boxes so I would just try that first (if you haven't yet) before looking elsewhere.

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I believe that there is a reason behind the scenes as to why samsung and sony aren't including Dolby Vision in their tvs. The simple answer would to say that it's too "expensive" and certainly this statement would carry weight and have some credence......................except that Vizio and LG have it in theirs. So if Sony and Samsung are top tier as most say you're going to tell me that they can't implement that tech into their already super expensive inflated priced tvs??

Something is going on.

Not sure about all this. I'm safe with Dolby. HDR10 is the new kid in the block, Easy firmware update with compatible devices/TV and done. Dolby is a different beast, they been around forever and are trusted. Samsung and Sony by not integrating such thing as DV in there super elite lineup of TV tells me there is more politics than anything else. Think about it is an extra cost for the chip. Vizio not playing games with technology and be ahead of the pack.

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the industry will have to start adding day modes to HDR TVs, otherwise people will be returning tvs left and right complaining that they are broken and dim.


HDR looks pretty awful unless viewed in a dark room, which according to Samsung accounts for only like 10% of tv viewing.
I can certainly see this. I had 3 friends over to watch plus my wife. I had Pacific Rim in the blu-ray player and the DV version queued up on Vudu. My one A/V obsessed friend saw the difference right away where my wife and the other 2 guys actually preferred the blu-ray to some degree (I attributed this to blu-ray detail vs. streaming). They did notice that the kaiju had more distinct markings on Vudu and once I pointed out the way lights look in the DV version they nodded their heads. The question is, had I not pointed it out, would they have noticed it? Would they have cared?

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So, as someone who has their 65' P-Series (2016) still in shipping I am trying to make heads or tails of this thread. It seems well established this TV might not have the best upscaler, which is a little disappointing. However, mine main device is the Nvidia SHIELD Android TV which supports 4k HDR through its HDMI 2.0A port. I am very curious how content from Netflix and other services will look since the Shield will be doing the scaling. I am assuming raising the sharpness setting doesn't help the soft look with the internal scaler?

Not to rain on your parade but the Nvidia Shield doesn NOT support HDR nor has the HDMI port been upgraded to 2.0a .... yet. It is supposed to be coming in a future update.
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Is normal, is like any other tablet or phone. The greater the brightness the more battery it will use. Adjust brightness about 15%-20%, it should be good to view. Maybe down the line they will update the OS for better battery life. For now decrease the brightness.[/QUOTE

I made sure I turned down the screen brightness. Even though this shouldn't matter, as the tablet is dying within 18 hours of just standby mode with the screen turned off and black. No apps running in the back ground and literally turned to standby mode from the moment I turned it on just to check. Also checked the battery usage app and it literally said 3% screen usage with 38% percent battery life left from being charged at 100%, with absolutely nothing else using power. I basically think I got a defective battery on the tablet that won't hold a charge. Matt said it should last 14 days on standby mode and just thought it was odd mine can't even make it a day on standby mode. It doesn't matter to much, as I have a new replacement coming tomorrow for a few stuck pixels, but just thought I would see if anyone else had extreme battery drain problems.
Here is the thing with a device is on standby and connected to the internet. There services, you cant turn off. This services always is checking for updates and constant packets its been transmitted reducing batter life. I mean it dont have the best battery in the market as a startup prototype but hey we got a dam tablet with a TV. For the price is a steal. They will release a OS update to optimize battery or even sell another tablet with better battery. Just use the dock is there for a reason when is not been use, or put it on airplane mode to disable any Network connection. We can't act like this tablet is a regular old school remote that has no OS or any background services.

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Which satellite based content? Because if it's DirecTV they use some decent scalers in their boxes so I would just try that first (if you haven't yet) before looking elsewhere.
Nope, it's Dish Network. The quality of each HD channel varies widely.
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Streamed content is going to look very good. You don't need to worry about Netflix, VUDU, AppleTV, Roku, Shield etc...

Generally speaking, 4k images don't need a lot of sharpening. Other sources to taste. You'll have lots of options for your streamed content.
I will second that! I watched the US Women's soccer match and it looked fantastic through cable. There are some channels that look soft but again that's the source. Overall, most of the channels look pretty good in all honesty.
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Pacific Rim is outstanding in DV. Blew me away. Demo material for the P series.
hmm maybe they fixed it then. I remember early in the thread people were saying it did not look that different from the HDX stream (which does look incredible).
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The JU7100 is already obsolete. It isn't even a Wide Color Gamut TV.
yes, which is why I was prepared to walk away with a P50
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Pacific Rim is outstanding in DV. Blew me away. Demo material for the P series.
I bought it last night and intend to watch it tonight. Only thing is that darn ARC cutting in and out every few minutes. I really hope Vizio gets that taken care of soon.
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I still have to play with it some more but I was going all the way up to 60 for color before I was seeing the colors that I was expecting.
I'm right there with you. Saturday and most of Sunday I was trying to stay at 50-53 on color and I just wasn't feeling it on certain familiar material. Where's the POP?

I finally remembered I'd been here before with the Samsung.. trying to stay close to REC.709 before finally saying the heck with it and doing what I wanted.

I find that color 60 gets me closer to where I want to be as well.
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You are correct. (editing the post and page 1.)

Vizio states:

HDMI 1-4 support the following:

[email protected] 4:4:4, up to 8bit per color
[email protected] 4:2:2, up to 12bit per color
[email protected] 4:2:0, up to 12 bit per color


HDMI 5 is a low latency (gaming) port that supports:

[email protected], 4:2:0, up to 10bit per color
[email protected], 4:4:4, up to 10bit per color
~15ms latency in game mode
This is the thing that has always baffled me...how can it be that 4k/60 4:2:2 12 bit works but 4K/60 4:2:0 can only do 10 bit. I never understood that.
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hmm maybe they fixed it then. I remember early in the thread people were saying it did not look that different from the HDX stream (which does look incredible).

It's not fixed. It's still broken in the sense that you can't up the backlight in it or it will severely distort the picture.


But that might have something to do with the fact that its "default" backlight in DV is already super high compared to the other titles to begin with - Which also might contribute to why people think it looks so awesome in DV.


It's the only DV title I've seen that doesn't look bad with the lights on in my living room.
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hmm maybe they fixed it then. I remember early in the thread people were saying it did not look that different from the HDX stream (which does look incredible).
I wish Vudu would actually list Dolby Vision in the description. Makes no sense that they do not.
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I bought it last night and intend to watch it tonight. Only thing is that darn ARC cutting in and out every few minutes. I really hope Vizio gets that taken care of soon.
PCM is working for me without dropouts. I set the AVR to use one of it's sound profiles that upscales PCM to 5.1.4... sound darn good.

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I made sure I turned down the screen brightness. Even though this shouldn't matter, as the tablet is dying within 18 hours of just standby mode with the screen turned off and black. No apps running in the back ground and literally turned to standby mode from the moment I turned it on just to check. Also checked the battery usage app and it literally said 3% screen usage with 38% percent battery life left from being charged at 100%, with absolutely nothing else using power. I basically think I got a defective battery on the tablet that won't hold a charge. Matt said it should last 14 days on standby mode and just thought it was odd mine can't even make it a day on standby mode. It doesn't matter to much, as I have a new replacement coming tomorrow for a few stuck pixels, but just thought I would see if anyone else had extreme battery drain problems.
I suggest downloading the battery monitoring app called GSam battery monitor in the Google play store. It allows you to see the current rate of battery drain and can shed more precise light on what's killing your battery. If that doesn't reveal anything, and a factory reset doesn't fix it, you've probably got a bad battery.
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I'm right there with you. Saturday and most of Sunday I was trying to stay at 50-53 on color and I just wasn't feeling it on certain familiar material. Where's the POP?

I finally remembered I'd been here before with the Samsung.. trying to stay close to REC.709 before finally saying the heck with it and doing what I wanted.

I find that color 60 gets me closer to where I want to be as well.
My observation is that you can push it for good sources, but if you have a marginal cable or satellite source, the risk of over saturation (of red especially) will make you skin tones look terrible.

You can setup separate saved picture modes for this.

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