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I wonder how they determine roll-out of new firmware. My P50-C1 received it Monday the 16th.


Serial Numbers in batches. Vizio said on Weddit they rolled this one out, "Limited". I don't know if it's Wide yet.


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The disc or the Vudu stream? This is the first I've heard about the disc looking underexposed. The disc and the stream look different. I don't think there's anything wrong with the disc, from an authoring standpoint.

Nevertheless, Dolby vision on the vizio p series just looks underexposed in general as we've seen by tweaking with the backlight settings, and that is a problem with the Vizio - not Dolby vision.

Sorry, I meant the VUDU stream. All I was getting at is that people MIGHT mistake your comparisons and think that Spider-Man Homecoming looks the way it does because of the Vizio. It’s not. The VUDU DV stream is funky. Something is not right there.

I don’t find the image underexposed on 99% of the DV material I watch. Spider-Man in Dolby Vision via VUDU has an unusually low APL when compared to the HDX version. I don’t count movies like Arrival or Ghost in the Shell as those are intentionally dark.

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Any word on the what the new firmware fixes? I hope for better HDCP and handshakes with Dolby Vision and HDR10 content, and also a fix for when connecting a laptop to the display and the screen freezes that I've had for a year now.

Handshakes and screen freezes are my biggest issues with the Vizio P75C1 right now.

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The disc or the Vudu stream? This is the first I've heard about the disc looking underexposed. The disc and the stream look different. I don't think there's anything wrong with the disc, from an authoring standpoint.

Nevertheless, Dolby vision on the vizio p series just looks underexposed in general as we've seen by tweaking with the backlight settings, and that is a problem with the Vizio - not Dolby vision.

Sorry, I meant the VUDU stream. All I was getting at is that people MIGHT mistake your comparisons and think that Spider-Man Homecoming looks the way it does because of the Vizio. It?s not. The VUDU DV stream is funky. Something is not right there.

I don?t find the image underexposed on 99% of the DV material I watch. Spider-Man in Dolby Vision via VUDU has an unusually low APL when compared to the HDX version. I don?t count movies like Arrival or Ghost in the Shell as those are intentionally dark.
Highlights are certainly look underexposed, that's what the original proof post showed.

Pacific rim looks down right nasty dull and muted.

I think you might just be used to it or have not watched much content on other tvs or used hdr 10 much on the Vizio P. Cause the difference is massive.
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I wonder if it's operationally-related on getting the Firmware any quicker? For weeks, I've had the Display on throughout the evening and overnight. Last night, for the first time in a while, I had the Display Off all night and this morning, past Noon today. Powered it up just a bit ago and notice the new Firmware Message.


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So it was automatically "pushed" to you when you powered up? I was able to manually "fetch" it on Oct 11. Very strange. I wish they would go back the beta list.
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So it was automatically "pushed" to you when you powered up? I was able to manually "fetch" it on Oct 11. Very strange. I wish they would go back the beta list.
I think you are confused on how firmware updates occur. They aren't technically "pushed". The way it occurs is the device will do a service check on its own when it is powered down. If the update has been approved for your serial, then the display will download it. The other way you can download the update is by manually "check for update" in the settings. Before we only had a "service check" option. We then had to power down the display and wait or factory reset to force it.

Just because your display serial was approved doesn't mean the update should push at that moment. It has never worked that way.

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Hi, Not sure if this issue was brought up already as most posts as of late are DV related....

Just updated to 3.4.8.5 (not on beta).

Cannot adjust reduce judder. It is grayed out.....

Any idea. Was fine in the last version......

Thanks in advanced.

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Did power cycle and now the Reduce Motion Blur is grayed out and Reduce Judder is working.

My next step is factory reset....

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I still haven't received the latest firmware update so maybe Vizio found out there is something wrong with it or DV so they are fixing before sending out to the masses? Just speculation on my part?
I just got my update this afternoon, and I'm on the beta program (if it still exists without Matt)
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I think you are confused on how firmware updates occur. They aren't technically "pushed". The way it occurs is the device will do a service check on its own when it is powered down. If the update has been approved for your serial, then the display will download it. The other way you can download the update is by manually "check for update" in the settings. Before we only had a "service check" option. We then had to power down the display and wait or factory reset to force it.

Just because your display serial was approved doesn't mean the update should push at that moment. It has never worked that way.

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Thanks, I'm aware it isn't a classic push/fetch system. Still I powered the set on without any firmware update info, did the check for update and it installed. I am just trying to better understand the latest Vizio firmware update process.
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Thanks, I'm aware it isn't a classic push/fetch system. Still I powered the set on without any firmware update info, did the check for update and it installed. I am just trying to better understand the latest Vizio firmware update process.
It's always been that way. The internal service check may have not occurred between the time your serial was approved and when you turned it on. Internal service checks are done periodically, but not necessarily as often as you may think.

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Just updated to 3.4.8.5 (not on beta).

Cannot adjust reduce judder. It is grayed out. Any idea? Was fine in the last version.

UPDATE: Did power cycle and now the Reduce Motion Blur is grayed out and Reduce Judder is working.


Have a 24VF or 30VF source signal going and Pure Cinema and Reduce Judder are available. I see both disappear on my P50 with 60VF signals.


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I finally got the update. It looks the same calibration wise for Dolby Vision. If you have a 65 inch just lower backlight to 30 and call it good. If you want even more accuracy you can try my 2 pt settings from the calibration thread.

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So it was automatically "pushed" to you when you powered up? I was able to manually "fetch" it on Oct 11. Very strange. I wish they would go back the beta list.


Yeah, I guess they got tired of my 'Checking For Updates' a handful of times per day for the several weeks.

Sirusly though, If one is 'in the queue', the next power cycle is when it's available to download. The old way had it first download and then tell you it's ready to install. The new way is notification first - OK - then it downloads. I wish I could still have access to the screen controls, as I had my Display quite bright, but I was locked-out during the download.


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Have a 24VF or 30VF source signal going and Pure Cinema and Reduce Judder are available. I see both disappear on my P50 with 60VF signals.


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Thanks! I played different content from Netflix and Reduce Motion Blur is still grayed out and Reduce Judder is working. Until I updated to the new firmware I had no issues with these features. I am sure it has to do with this new firmware.
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Any word on the what the new firmware fixes?


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I played different content from Netflix and Reduce Motion Blur is still grayed out and Reduce Judder is working. Until I updated to the new firmware I had no issues with these features. I am sure it has to do with this new firmware.


I think I read that Reduce Blur is only for 60VF, so not for anything less. Try NetFlix's 60VF Test Pattern. I think 'Meridian' is 60VF, also.


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Highlights are certainly look underexposed, that's what the original proof post showed.

Pacific rim looks down right nasty dull and muted.

I think you might just be used to it or have not watched much content on other tvs or used hdr 10 much on the Vizio P. Cause the difference is massive.

Definitely not used to it, and I’ve watched a ton of HDR10 material via UHD Blu-ray’s and Amazon Prime. But stuff like Pacific Rim at 50 backlight looks nothing like you describe. Yes, the specular highlights aren’t as bright and look slightly washed out, but the rest of the picture is fine. Midtones and shadows are on point.

I keep bringing up Spiderman because I want people in this thread to know that the VUDU DV stream is messed up. The Vizio isn’t causing it to look the way it does (muted, underexposed, etc, weird color issues). I’ve already seen posts (not by you) saying that they can’t believe how massive of a difference there is on Spiderman between HDR10 and DV on the Vizio, but that is not the norm. Your comparisons of Transformers and Pacific Rim are spot on, though.

Look, I’m not saying there isn’t anything wrong with the way the Vizio handles DV. Something is definitely going on and needs to be addressed. But I’ve read posts where people are stating DV is unwatchable in its current state on the Vizio, which is textbook hyperbole at its finest.
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@Torqdog @lujan @Sbuchanan813 I can't remember who else....

Those with a P75 that want to try this..... if you are on 3.3.18.1 you'll need to set the backlight for DV when watching.

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Picture Mode:Calibrated Dark/Calibrated

Auto Brightness Control: Off
Backlight: 28
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 50
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 5

--More Picture---
Color temperature: Normal
Black Detail: Off
Xtreme Black Engine Pro: On
Reduce Judder: 0
Reduce Motion Blur: 0
Clear Action: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: Off
Reduce Block Noise: Off
Game Low Latency: Off
Pure Cinema: On
Color Space: Auto
Gamma: 2.2/2.1 (Calibrated Dark/Calibrated)

---Color Calibration---

Color Tuner:

Hue:
Red: -3
Green: 10
Blue: -5
Cyan: -4
Magenta: 10
Yellow: -7

Saturation
Red: 8
Green: 20
Blue: -5
Cyan: 20
Magenta: 1
Yellow: -3

Brightness
Red: 0
Green: 0
Blue: 0
Cyan: 0
Magenta: 0
Yellow: 0

Offset
Red: -7
Green: -2
Blue: 0

Gain
Red: 75
Green: 80
Blue: 45

11 Point White Balance: Listed as R,G,B

5%    50,30,17

10% 2,-1,-1

20% -3,-3,-8

30% 3,1,-2

40% 9,-1,3

50% 1,3,1

60% -5,11,0

70% 23,17,6

80% 12,12,7

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So does standard not trigger Dolby vision? Just curious... and does turning fald off improve dv at all?


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So does standard not trigger Dolby vision? Just curious... and does turning fald off improve dv at all?


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All pic modes, will trigger DV.

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Definitely not used to it, and I’ve watched a ton of HDR10 material via UHD Blu-ray’s and Amazon Prime. But stuff like Pacific Rim at 50 backlight looks nothing like you describe. Yes, the specular highlights aren’t as bright and look slightly washed out, but the rest of the picture is fine. Midtones and shadows are on point.

I keep bringing up Spiderman because I want people in this thread to know that the VUDU DV stream is messed up. The Vizio isn’t causing it to look the way it does (muted, underexposed, etc, weird color issues). I’ve already seen posts (not by you) saying that they can’t believe how massive of a difference there is on Spiderman between HDR10 and DV on the Vizio, but that is not the norm. Your comparisons of Transformers and Pacific Rim are spot on, though.

Look, I’m not saying there isn’t anything wrong with the way the Vizio handles DV. Something is definitely going on and needs to be addressed. But I’ve read posts where people are stating DV is unwatchable in its current state on the Vizio, which is textbook hyperbole at its finest.
This actually happened before, Vudu streams of Mad Max FR had severe black crush areas that should have been bright were dark.

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Anyone having issues with Lip Sync when outputting the TV to a receiver? I'm using a Pioneer SC-99 (which can't passthrough DV) so I'm outputting optical to the receiver. I have it set on audio delay 0 and the video is still ahead of the audio. It's almost as if the Vizio is outputting audio too late? It's the same issue on the built in apps as well as my new ATV4K. Any suggestions?
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I'm not entirely convinced that it's the display. Some live DTV channels have a subtle delay, many seem fine. Some DVR content is obviously delayed, but some seems fine. It would not surprise me if the 4K Mini is contributing to the problem, given its track record. I have ensured that audio delay is on 0. I have tried changing the audio output from AUTO to Bitstream and PCM. Nothing has changed.

Apologies for not having much to contribute. Just know you're not alone! I have designs on trying the optical connection, swapping DTV hardware, etc., but I have not found the time.
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My P65-C1 just received the 3.4.8.5 update, it was never on the Beta-list.

Only one unusual thing showed up right away. I have a setup where an nVidia Shield 1st gen is plugged into an older non-HDR capable Denon AVR 2113ci, and feed goes from the monitor output port to the P65 HDMI-1 input.

The unusual part is that the Shield, which had been set to autodetect optimal video settings and previously had selected 1080p/60Hz/RGB 8-bit suddenly decided to choose 1080p/59.94Hz/YUV 4:2:2 12-bit rec.2020, which mystified me as the Denon *should* not have any way of passing that through ... so hrm, wondering what may have changed with what the P65 was advertising? It stuck out like a sore thumb too, background and other colors were waaayyy off, what should've been gray/black was an obnoxious pink color, hideous to behold.

In any case, I manually over-rode the settings back to the prior, and all is well once again.
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My P65-C1 just received the 3.4.8.5 update, it was never on the Beta-list.


Nobody is on any 'Beta List' now. It's back to the old days of getting Limited or Wide Release Firmware. 3.4.8.5 was released 'limited'. I don't know if it's gone Wide yet. Matt left Vizio and Vizio decided to do their online Support on Reddit vs here.


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I agree but I've been watching 90% of all my viewing on default Calibrated for almost a year now, all of a sudden I've got these extremely muted red/greens on the Shield TV device. No change in my eyeballs (wife confirmed looks like crap to her too). Factory reset the panel but no change either. Rec709 on the device and everything looks fine. Rec 2020 and its garbage until I adjust the color ;/
I just got the 3.4.8.5 update and am really, really, REALLY wishing I hadn't. It is absolute hot garbage and was a final [excrement] cherry atop my [intercoursing bovine fecal matter] evening spent troubleshooting why my Plex DVR wasn't recording.

I forced the Vizio FW update and now my SHIELD TV has the same craptastic colors you reported unless you switch to a Rec709 flavor. Any and all Rec2020 settings exhibit this problem. I'd been running 4:2:2 12-bit Rec2020 (auto wants 4:2:0 10-bit), but only RGB or Rec709 keeps the YouTube screen from looking more muted tomato orangey-red. I could tell the moment I switched to SHIELD that the colors were off, lacking in reds. (FWIW, I switched to the Xbox One S and while not as ugly, YouTube still doesn't seem right.) Netflix HDR10 looks wrong as well.

The P65 also started freezing and rebooting - doing so four times. I did a factory reset (ugh) and just altered Calibrated Dark by turning Sharpness to 0 and Backlight to 50, shutting off the denoise stuff; gamma 2.2.

So I've gone from a TV that looked pretty darn good for everything (except the botched up Spider-Man: Homecoming Vudu UHD) to a TV that looks wrong on almost everything. Can we backtrack and reinstall the last FW because this simply blows goats?

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I just got the 3.4.8.5 update and am really, really, REALLY wishing I hadn't. It is absolute hot garbage ... and now my SHIELD TV has the same craptastic colors ... unless you switch to a Rec709 flavor. Any and all Rec2020 settings exhibit this problem. I'd been running 4:2:2 12-bit Rec2020 (auto wants 4:2:0 10-bit), but only RGB or Rec709 keeps the YouTube screen from looking more muted tomato orangey-red. I could tell the moment I switched to SHIELD that the colors were off, lacking in reds. (FWIW, I switched to the Xbox One S and while not as ugly, YouTube still doesn't seem right.) Netflix HDR10 looks wrong as well.

The P65 also started freezing and rebooting - doing so four times. I did a factory reset (ugh)...

So I've gone from a TV that looked pretty darn good for everything (except the botched up Spider-Man: Homecoming Vudu UHD) to a TV that looks wrong on almost everything.

Can we backtrack and reinstall the last FW...?


Vizio only has a forward Firmware gear. No reverse. A while back, I posted that reds looked red-orange. Seems to be better now than what I saw initially with earlier Firmware, but if you're not on zero axis, the reds are red-orange at the far-side of the screen. I wonder how the reds are doing with off-axis viewing on the P55s (IPS panel)?

I have yet to thoroughly check my Display's (P50-C1) color and other things since the 3.4.8.5 Update. It seems to be ok, so far.

My suggestion for freeze/reboot problems would to have all connected devices removed and watch direct-streaming for a while to see how it behaves. If it still has a freeze/reboot problems, then it would appear something is wrong with the Display.


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I just got the 3.4.8.5 update and am really, really, REALLY wishing I hadn't. It is absolute hot garbage and was a final [excrement] cherry atop my [intercoursing bovine fecal matter] evening spent troubleshooting why my Plex DVR wasn't recording.

I forced the Vizio FW update and now my SHIELD TV has the same craptastic colors you reported unless you switch to a Rec709 flavor. Any and all Rec2020 settings exhibit this problem. I'd been running 4:2:2 12-bit Rec2020 (auto wants 4:2:0 10-bit), but only RGB or Rec709 keeps the YouTube screen from looking more muted tomato orangey-red. I could tell the moment I switched to SHIELD that the colors were off, lacking in reds. (FWIW, I switched to the Xbox One S and while not as ugly, YouTube still doesn't seem right.) Netflix HDR10 looks wrong as well.

The P65 also started freezing and rebooting - doing so four times. I did a factory reset (ugh) and just altered Calibrated Dark by turning Sharpness to 0 and Backlight to 50, shutting off the denoise stuff; gamma 2.2.

So I've gone from a TV that looked pretty darn good for everything (except the botched up Spider-Man: Homecoming Vudu UHD) to a TV that looks wrong on almost everything. Can we backtrack and reinstall the last FW because this simply blows goats?
That sucks and unfortunately at the moment Vizio would not acknowledge it as wrong, here is what they told me:

"I've checked with our software people and we've reviewed the pictures. This TV is working as intended. Sometimes when firmware updates occur the default settings for the display change slightly. I'd recommend tinkering around with the picture settings and advanced picture settings until it's exactly how you like it."
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