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I need factory defaults for all Calibrated Dark settings (non-DV) for the 50", 55" and 65 for page 1 please. You can PM them to me.

While playing a DV title, take a look at Calibrated Dark settings as well. Let me know if Backlight, Brightness, Contrast or Color is something other than 50.

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Page 1 updated to include a "top of the page" headline and link to the CNET review.
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I've been browsing this thread for awhile and can't seem to find the answers to my concerns with getting the 55 inch. I was wondering if wonderful folks could give me some advice/suggestions. I am planning to upgrade to either the M55 or P55 from my 2008 Panasonic plasma. My questions:

-How much does the IPS screen in the 55 negatively impact the picture/colors?
-I've read several things about the 720 p content and below being average on this set. How bad is it compared to an older plasma? I watch mostly Dish Network content.
-How does this compare to older plasmas in terms of brightness in a living room with windows?
-If I wait and purchase the M55 due to the screen, will the lower refresh rate negatively impact my viewing too much? I know the 2015 M series had some soap opera effects.

I have a feeling it will be a big upgrade over my older set.

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I plan to pick up a UHD blu-ray player by the end of the year so before getting and mounting the new p-series on the wall I was hoping to have all new HDMI cables installed. All my components are currently running through my AVR (Pioneer SC-95) but I was planning on running 1-2 extra HDMI cables just in case I need to connect something directly to the P-series.

Thanks to everyone for the feedback.
Then make sure your cables are rated for 18GHz and you should be fine.
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I haven't checked to be sure but the network port should light up when connected properly. Do you see these lights on your set? If not, the issue may be the port and not the other end; provided that everything else works. Pretty unusual to have a dead port like that but you never know.

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The port on the router does light up solid green and the other light occasionally blinks amber so it looks like it should be working. The port on the tv has no lights at all (no hardware around the port that I can see that would light up).

I wonder if it's possible that there is just a software glitch that won't update my tablet/tv banner to show Ethernet (probably not...) I agree, I would be very surprised if the port was dead, but I feel like I have tried everything else and nothing is working. I have connected so many devices to this router over the years including multiple TVs and never once had even a slight issue.
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I reread it a couple times looking for the parts where he mentions the horrible motion and upscaling but couldn't find anything but compliments. Oh well, maybe he forgot
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Read page 1, post 1. Calibrated Dark is THE setting recommended by DolbyVision for a reason. You need to take a minute to understand the purpose and workings of DolbyVision.
Sorry about that. I knew I read it somewhere in this thread but I couldn't figure out where. I'll continue reading about DV/HDR (as it is pretty new to me), and testing it out on my P65. Thanks for the reply.
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Page 1 updated to include a "top of the page" headline and link to the CNET review.
That was a very fair and balanced review. However, I wonder if he used "Calibrated Dark" for the DV HDR testing or just "Calibrated". That would explain why he is seeing the slight blueish tint on HDR. That or perhaps he turned the local dimming off. I doubt he would do that though. I bet it was just using "Calibrated" instead of the correct "Calibrated Dark" profile.
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The port on the router does light up solid green and the other light occasionally blinks amber so it looks like it should be working. The port on the tv has no lights at all (no hardware around the port that I can see that would light up).

I wonder if it's possible that there is just a software glitch that won't update my tablet/tv banner to show Ethernet (probably not...) I agree, I would be very surprised if the port was dead, but I feel like I have tried everything else and nothing is working. I have connected so many devices to this router over the years including multiple TVs and never once had even a slight issue.
One thing you can try now that you know the hardware is in place and lit up, check the IP address that's assigned to the TV (not the tablet).

Go to your network settings ( network) and click it. You should see the IP address that is assigned to the TV. On a computer, ping that address to see if you can access it at a basic networking level.

As an example of how to do a ping, on a Windows PC that's on your network, in Windows, bring up a command window (click on the Windows icon, then type in "cmd" in the "search programs and files" area that pops up). Once it's available, type in "ping ww.xx.yy.zz" (where ww.xx.yy.zz is the address you saw) and hit enter.

If it sees the TV and the TV is accepting network traffic, it should echo back information saying that it connected and how long it took to respond; if it returns any information, your TV is on the network and connected.

If the TV is not, it should tell you that it's pinging but the request timed out. Then your TV is not on the network.

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That was a very fair and balanced review. However, I wonder if he used "Calibrated Dark" for the DV HDR testing or just "Calibrated". That would explain why he is seeing the slight blueish tint on HDR. That or perhaps he turned the local dimming off. I doubt he would do that though. I bet it was just using "Calibrated" instead of the correct "Calibrated Dark" profile.
The blue channel runs pretty hot above 40% in DV. To some degree peak nits and DCI-P3 color accuracy run with that luminance of the blue channel. As you gray balance it out, both drop some but negligible IMO relative to image quality or design impact.

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I need factory defaults for all Calibrated Dark settings (non-DV) for the 50", 55" and 65 for page 1 please. You can PM them to me.

While playing a DV title, take a look at Calibrated Dark settings as well. Let me know if Backlight, Brightness, Contrast or Color is something other than 50.
My p65 in DV on cal dark has color at 65 everything else is 50
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My p65 in DV on cal dark has color at 65 everything else is 50
I doubt that's the correct DolbyVision factory setting for color. It should be 50 but I'll let someone with a 65" say for certain.

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I think the DV issues popping up, are because of the constant updates. So instead of getting, the color graded image we initially got, we're getting something that looks tampered with.
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4/9/2016: JUST IN: the Rtings.com review[/B] http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2016

Quote by Rtings.. "best picture quality for an LED TV we've seen so far"


^ the above quote is not in that review at all? They've the 2016 Samsungs rated higher as well as othe TV's from 2015.


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The blue channel runs pretty hot above 40% in DV. To some degree peak nits and DCI-P3 color accuracy run with that luminance of the blue channel. As you gray balance it out, both drop some but negligible IMO relative to image quality or design impact.
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I've been browsing this thread for awhile and can't seem to find the answers to my concerns with getting the 55 inch. I was wondering if wonderful folks could give me some advice/suggestions. I am planning to upgrade to either the M55 or P55 from my 2008 Panasonic plasma. My questions:

-How much does the IPS screen in the 55 negatively impact the picture/colors?
-I've read several things about the 720 p content and below being average on this set. How bad is it compared to an older plasma? I watch mostly Dish Network content.
-How does this compare to older plasmas in terms of brightness in a living room with windows?
-If I wait and purchase the M55 due to the screen, will the lower refresh rate negatively impact my viewing too much? I know the 2015 M series had some soap opera effects.

I have a feeling it will be a big upgrade over my older set.

Thanks!
ive been through 3 55's - first one had a screen blemish and second one had a big pink spot in the lower right corner. other than that the pic is great. the third one may go back because it has what appears to be a peice of dirt trapped behind the screen that i cant dislodge - otherwise its an awesome set...i may be a bit over particular.

720p looks fine from over 6' away. sd has challenges though...maybe run it through an upscaling receiver??? my xfinity has challenges - i have to crank up reduce motion blur, reduce signal noise and reduce block noise...but i have a pretty had xfinity signal. dish should be better. i have a lot of windows in my tv room and the tv is plenty bright above backlight of 85 or so. i had a 2015 m and this is a clear upgrade - issues with clear action and 60 hz and the screen had some sort of anti glare coating that somehow made glare worse. with fald on expect a little corner light bleed through on backlight settings above 50-60 that you can only notice in pitch black room. a great seat otherwise. imo fald helps the contrast ratio. go for it!

p.s. on the 55 cal dark backlight default is 35. not sure if it changes with dv content...will check tonight.
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That was a very fair and balanced review. However, I wonder if he used "Calibrated Dark" for the DV HDR testing or just "Calibrated". That would explain why he is seeing the slight blueish tint on HDR. That or perhaps he turned the local dimming off. I doubt he would do that though. I bet it was just using "Calibrated" instead of the correct "Calibrated Dark" profile.
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The blue channel runs pretty hot above 40% in DV. To some degree peak nits and DCI-P3 color accuracy run with that luminance of the blue channel. As you gray balance it out, both drop some but negligible IMO relative to image quality or design impact.
I find it odd that like the Rtings review, precal (SDR)Grayscale RGB had a low blue line. I wonder if that's how 65's are.

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Just a message to all new users... please read page 1, post 1. There's a bunch of valuable info there.

A quick comment on DolbyVision: DV is an engineered method of matching the content "as mastered" by the studio as closely as possible using the display you own in your home. To accomplish this our P series have been "profiled" and this profile is encapsulated in a thing called the "Golden Reference". It allows the original video encoded to translate accurately for brightness and color accuracy. For DolbyVision to work, it needs to have the base settings that effect picture quality (and the resulting target EOTF) left alone. These settings are primarily Backlight, Brightness, Contrast and Color. When they are modified, the very basis by which the Golden Reference is established (and subsequently the intent of DV), is broken.

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That was a very fair and balanced review. However, I wonder if he used "Calibrated Dark" for the DV HDR testing or just "Calibrated". That would explain why he is seeing the slight blueish tint on HDR. That or perhaps he turned the local dimming off. I doubt he would do that though. I bet it was just using "Calibrated" instead of the correct "Calibrated Dark" profile.
I believe used calibrated dark. Here is the chart listed what mode he used for HDR.

Light output in nits (SDR) Mode measured 10% window Full screen
Samsung UN65JS9500 Dynamic 958 411
Sony XBR-65X930D Vivid 926 492
Vizio P65-C1 Vivid 502 572
Samsung UN65JU7100 Dynamic 496 478
Vizio M65-C1 Vivid 409 484
LG 65EF9500 Vivid 431 146
Vizio P65-C1 Calibrated 382 455
Light output in nits (HDR)
Sony XBR-65X930D HDR Auto 923 493
Samsung JS9500 Movie 884 881
Vizio P65-C1 Calibrated Dark 468 534
LG 65EF9500 Cinema 399 133
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4/9/2016: JUST IN: the Rtings.com review[/B] http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2016

Quote by Rtings.. "best picture quality for an LED TV we've seen so far"


^ the above quote is not in that review at all? They've the 2016 Samsungs rated higher as well as othe TV's from 2015.
That comment must have been edited, because I saw that exact quote when the review was posted on they're site, many here saw it as well.
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I find it odd that like the Rtings review, precal (SDR)Grayscale RGB had a low blue line. I wonder if that's how 65's are.
Could be. I should qualify my comments as P75 based.
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ive been through 3 55's - first one had a screen blemish and second one had a big pink spot in the lower right corner. other than that the pic is great. the third one may go back because it has what appears to be a peice of dirt trapped behind the screen that i cant dislodge - otherwise its an awesome set...i may be a bit over particular.

720p looks fine from over 6' away. sd has challenges though...maybe run it through an upscaling receiver??? my xfinity has challenges - i have to crank up reduce motion blur, reduce signal noise and reduce block noise...but i have a pretty had xfinity signal. dish should be better. i have a lot of windows in my tv room and the tv is plenty bright above backlight of 85 or so. i had a 2015 m and this is a clear upgrade - issues with clear action and 60 hz and the screen had some sort of anti glare coating that somehow made glare worse. with fald on expect a little corner light bleed through on backlight settings above 50-60 that you can only notice in pitch black room. a great seat otherwise. imo fald helps the contrast ratio. go for it!

p.s. on the 55 cal dark backlight default is 35. not sure if it changes with dv content...will check tonight.
I don't watch any SD content (I don't even have those channels on my custom guide).

Thanks for the reply. Anyone else with a 55 incher?
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4/9/2016: JUST IN: the Rtings.com review[/B] http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2016

Quote by Rtings.. "best picture quality for an LED TV we've seen so far"


^ the above quote is not in that review at all? They've the 2016 Samsungs rated higher as well as othe TV's from 2015.
Pretty tough to misquote something that's been cut and paste. If it's changed from when it was published, that's on him. That quote is from the original review as published on day one.

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I believe used calibrated dark. Here is the chart listed what mode he used for HDR.

Light output in nits (SDR) Mode measured 10% window Full screen
Samsung UN65JS9500 Dynamic 958 411
Sony XBR-65X930D Vivid 926 492
Vizio P65-C1 Vivid 502 572
Samsung UN65JU7100 Dynamic 496 478
Vizio M65-C1 Vivid 409 484
LG 65EF9500 Vivid 431 146
Vizio P65-C1 Calibrated 382 455
Light output in nits (HDR)
Sony XBR-65X930D HDR Auto 923 493
Samsung JS9500 Movie 884 881
Vizio P65-C1 Calibrated Dark 468 534
LG 65EF9500 Cinema 399 133
There is no way to test HDR mode with test patterns at the moment. The test patterns would have to have the HDR headers in order to test that. This test does not necessarily represent what he did for HDR testing.
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p.s. on the 55 cal dark backlight default is 35. not sure if it changes with dv content...will check tonight.
FYI - On my P55, the backlight jumps to 50 when watch DV content.
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On my P-50, the default backlight resets to 45. When the Dolby Vision activated, it jumped to 100.

However, it stopped working again. Yesterday, I was able to watch Marco Polo in DV for the first time. Today, nothing. Image is so dark, it's almost unwatchable.

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Just to add another data point (and point of confusion) my P55's backlight defaults to 35 for calibrated dark.

I also have a P55 and defaults to 35 for calibrated dark
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I doubt that's the correct DolbyVision factory setting for color. It should be 50 but I'll let someone with a 65" say for certain.
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On my P-50, the default backlight resets to 45. When the Dolby Vision activated, it jumped to 100.

However, it stopped working again. Yesterday, I was able to watch Marco Polo in DV for the first time. Today, nothing. Image is so dark, it's almost unwatchable.

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I'm certain that backlight 100 in DV is wrong. Set backlight, brightness, contrast and color to 50 while playing DV content and leave it alone after. Best this way. Use gamma to change PQ.

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That comment must have been edited, because I saw that exact quote when the review was posted on they're site, many here saw it as well.
The rtings reviews are somewhat unique in that they are "dynamic". He changed the quote when he started reviewing the new Samsung's. I can see why he does that, so the reviews stay relevant. But, it can cause some confusion when you check out a review you've read before.
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