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I'd like to try the new firmware before calling support to resolve my issue, however I don't think the new firmware will help based on others experiences with a similar issue and getting thr update.

When I first power on the set I see the cast demo images ok. When I start casting I will see the Netflix logo, the loading % and the progress bar if I pause. However I don't see any video, I just get sound. If I wait ~10 minutes with the set powered on it will start to work. When it first starts to work the video image will periodically flash on and off. Then at ~15 minutes I will have a solid experience without any cutouts.

To me this seems like a chip responsible for decoding the video has some bad connections that stabilize once the set has been on a while and the connections heat up. I had one of the Onkyo receivers that required a hair dryer to heat up some connections to fix it temporarily... it reminds me of that issue.

Once it stabilized the screen is great, I just hate playing the lottery again and hope if I do end up getting a replacement its a good one the first try
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Thank you! Just for reference, here's what it looks like (please ignore the picture quality, it's really meant as an illustration of what the bars look like):

http://s33.postimg.org/6p536oz5a/You...eo_On_Roku.jpg (on Youtube/Roku)

http://s33.postimg.org/vj74kjobx/You...eo_On_Cast.jpg (on YouTube Cast)

It's not a problem on every letterboxed video, but a bunch that I tried look this way.
Yes, I'm seeing it also. Photo 2 grey bar seem kind of blueish. I don't know about you but, I can deal with light bleed in the black bars. Straight up charcoal grey on top and bottum of a video is horrible and distracting.
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ARC as a standard causes a wide range of problems pairing a wide range of devices. It's hard to tell what's similar.

I've always avoided using ARC because of it's reputation so I can't offer spacific settings. Have you looked for help in the owner's thread for your Onkyo?


Given the nature of ARC problems over the years that seems reasonable to me. Even if the HDMI cable is from Vizio, I wouldn't exclude it or it's connections from things to test.

There have been what seems like a lot but that's always been the case with ARC from my personal point of view. That's why swapping components is a widely used diagnostic technique.

Both are possible including the HDMI cable.

I'm sorry that I couldn't post a solution, but I hope thoughts about diagnosing your problem are a help.

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This is an important post for anyone trying to span a long distance with an HDMI cable retaining the 600Mhz signal necessary for 4k/60 4:4:4 (HDMI subsampling enable on the P series). I've tried for months to get my Pioneer SC-95 to pass the signal from the 4k Samsung Bluray player, with no luck. This cable does the job. I have a 35 footer supplied for test purposes from Blue Jean Cables. I'd tried a number of others, both passive and active, and none of them worked. I'm a happy guy.

ARC is working as well.

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Purchased my p65 at bb. Had them open box and inspect tv before leaving store. Transported in a toyota siena minivan with a few blankets laid FLAT... no problems whatsoever...
Absolute worst case scenario this is what I plan on doing, but after watching some unboxing and eyeballing the size of the box, I doubt it'll have an issue fitting in my friend's SUV upright.

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Love my TV, Dolby Vision is great, but really want to get HDR10 support working on this display.
This really makes me even more excited and even happier that I decided on the P65 I was torn between saving $500 by going with the M65, but the thought of future proofing and better color for photo editing pushed me to go with the P65.

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I am not sticking with my GTX 470 for much longer. I am building a new computer around the new Nvidia 1080 for my new p75-c1. I am going to buy the GTX 1080 in about a month when I can get an aftermarket version for $599ish instead of the founders edition for $699. It should be able to do close to a constant 4k at 60fps with high settings from the benchmarking i have seen without having to run SLI. At $600 that is going to be the best speed vs money card around for a while.

I guess what i am getting at is, can I stick with the AVR I have and use the adapter to keep from having to upgrade my high end AVR (Pioneer Elite SC-55) by sending the video separate to the TV and just run the audio from HDMI on the new card to my current AVR? Or would ARC work just as well? If I want to buy a comparable AVR it will cost me at least another 1200+ dollars that I'd rather not spend if I can do a similar setup to what you have and use my current equipment for a while. As long as I am not missing out on any quality doing so. It is really a great AVR other than no pass-through for 4k60 or 1080p120.

I really think that I am going to run the 1080p120 more than the 4k60, especially in fast paced FPS style or racing games. The 1080 should easily do that at max settings.
I'm also considering a 1080 (who isn't?), but I'm still not completely convinced it'll be worth the money over my R9 390... at the same time, I should be able to get at least $275 for my MSI 390, so that puts me about halfway toward the 1080...
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When I first go my P65 I noticed the lip sync issue on any 24hz content fed through my Denon X1100w. (Tivo Roamio or LG BD50 BR player) If I direct connected the Tivo or BR player to my TV and fed it a 24hz signal it did not experience the same lip sync issue. Since then I have left my Tivo and BR player at 60hz.

When I noticed this, I contacted Vizio Tech Support to report the issue.
OK I just got a new roamio and see this same lip synch issue with tivo netflix and amazon prime apps. P65 with May firmware, Denon AvrX2200w.

I set tivo video settings to only have 1080p/60 checked, and not native 1024p/24. Is that the right way, and all looks good and sounds good without messing with the denon audio delay, leave set at 0ms.

I also have a new Sony 3700 bdp player connected to the avr, (something inexpensive whilst I wait for more uhd 4k disc player options later in the year).
Audio and Video formats are set to auto, and I don't have lip synch problems from the Sony netflix or amazon prime apps...

So seems tivo specific?

Q. How do I confirm I'm watching 24hz content input to the p65?

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This is an important post for anyone trying to span a long distance with an HDMI cable retaining the 600Mhz signal necessary for 4k/60 4:4:4 (HDMI subsampling enable on the P series). I've tried for months to get my Pioneer SC-95 to pass the signal from the 4k Samsung Bluray player, with no luck. This cable does the job. I have a 35 footer supplied for test purposes from Blue Jean Cables. I'd tried a number of others, both passive and active, and none of them worked. I'm a happy guy.

ARC is working as well.
How about a link (post one also) to the correct cable at Blue Jean Cables. I think there are several people that will want to know exactly which one you are using. It should help a lot.
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How about a link (post one also) to the correct cable at Blue Jean Cables. I think there are several people that will want to know exactly which one you are using. It should help a lot.
I'm not exactly sure but I'll find out. It's one robust cable. It's a passive cable btw.

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I'm not exactly sure but I'll find out. It's one robust cable. It's a passive cable btw.
The last time I was at Blue Jeans web site they had several different quality levels. They should be able to tell from your order.

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The last time I was at Blue Jeans they had two or three different quality levels. They should be able to tell from your order.
I should be able to figure it out quickly. Thanks to @Ian c2 for setting up the test.

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It's a 35' series 1 cable .
(Belden f-pair)

I'm using a couple of the more pliable FE series as I only need 7 feet


Here is your link tom

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/...hdmi-cable.htm
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Tried casting with HBO Go for GoT tonight comparing quality to the Fire TV. Casting quality kills the Fire. The Fire is blocky and noisy in backgrounds and dark scenes where casting was not. If only arc worked.

Incidentally, I could get bit streamed arc to work with HBO. The sound was there and the Marantz locked into it, but it stuttered constantly. Vudu though still has no audio for arc for me. In all cases pcm still works fine. Maybe I do need to try another cable.
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It's a 35' series 1 cable .
(Belden f-pair)

I'm using a couple of the more pliable FE series as I only need 7 feet


Here is your link tom

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/...hdmi-cable.htm
Would the 45' length successfully pass 4:4:4, 18 Gbps signals as well as maintain ARC?
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with HDMI there are no guarantees ....

The best you can do is be confident in your supplier and be happy they have a return policy

It's just a cable .
It can't perform miracles , but all it can do is pass the signal with minimal losses .
This is why I use Belden , and over-spec of possible (cat6a when I don't really "need" it etc.

If it can pass the data one way , it should have equal performance going back the other way .

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Some will tell you it's ok, some will tell you it's not. I'm erring on the side of caution since the difference is waiting 5 days. I've read some people who've been told by BB employees not to transport it flat, and when they said they were gonna do it anyway, they opened the box to make sure the screen was OK before it left, or noted on the receipt that the customer transported the box flat. From the BB site:

"Myth: Unlike a plasma TV, it's okay to lay an LCD or LED TV flat when transporting in a car
Reality: Larger LCD and LED TVs are constructed to have their weight balanced when set upright. So if you lay the screen flat, there won't be adequate support in the middle, which can lead to cracking or distortion on the edges if left that way over time. Add in the vibrations while driving a car, and the chance of cracking or distortion only increases."

There are probably waaaaaaay more people than not who get their TVs home OK lying flat. I'm just too paranoid to try it myself!

I was fortunate to have a vehicle with a large trunk. This is how my 2014 P50 traveled when I got it. Didn't even know it was advised to have it lay screen side up. Even the instructions stated to lay it screen side down to screw in the stand.




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U can't move back a couple feet? With the 50in I sit 6ft away and I like it. I don't have to move my head but granted the screen doesn't take my whole field of view. I came from a 37in so going to 50in was a nice step up. Thinking I would enjoy the 55in size more though. But I'm having a hard time getting around it being an IPS panel even though I've heard some good things

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I think it does, pretty sure they tested the 55 inch model here.

http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2016
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Has anyone used the 55 or 65 inch version Chrome 4:4:4 a PC monitor? Have any problems with it? Maybe a firmware update made it better.

http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2016

"The P's 4:4:4 implementation is a bit blurrier than we would like, and we don't expect that will be the case for the KS8500. For that reason, the KS8500 will probably be better for prolonged PC use."
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Has anyone used the 55 or 65 inch version Chrome 4:4:4 a PC monitor? Have any problems with it? Maybe a firmware update made it better.

http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2016

"The P's 4:4:4 implementation is a bit blurrier than we would like, and we don't expect that will be the case for the KS8500. For that reason, the KS8500 will probably be better for prolonged PC use."

Using a P55-C1, HDMI Ports 1 ~ 4 work fine for [email protected] 4:4:4, HDMI-5 is unstable (black screens)...at least for me.
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OK I just got a new roamio and see this same lip synch issue with tivo netflix and amazon prime apps. P65 with May firmware, Denon AvrX2200w.

I set tivo video settings to only have 1080p/60 checked, and not native 1024p/24. Is that the right way, and all looks good and sounds good without messing with the denon audio delay, leave set at 0ms.

I also have a new Sony 3700 bdp player connected to the avr, (something inexpensive whilst I wait for more uhd 4k disc player options later in the year).
Audio and Video formats are set to auto, and I don't have lip synch problems from the Sony netflix or amazon prime apps...

So seems tivo specific?

Q. How do I confirm I'm watching 24hz content input to the p65?
To answer the last question, from the VizioCast app:

Settings
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System Information
System Information

As for the 24Hz matter, I experience the lip sync issue with my Xbox One and PS4. I haven't tried my PS3 yet. Everything is going through a 7 year-old Pioneer VSX-1018.

Although I am ready for a new receiver, I haven't decided on a model yet, so I figured I'd troubleshoot with the cheapest way. I'm going to be replacing my HDMI cables in the chain with Amazon Basics' 2.0 cables. I know some of my cables are older, so my thought is maybe that is the cause?
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Final question before purchasing my 75'' P Series on Saturday, in large part due to the amazing support the set has had in this thread. Particular thanks to the 20 or so guys continually answering everyone's questions.

I searched but wanted a clarification: My Blu-ray player is a Panasonic DMP-BDT110 and my AVR is a Denon AVR-2112CI. I have a 9.8ft Amazon Basics HDMI cable that runs from my AVR to a MacBook Pro W/ Retina that I use to play MKV, MP4, as well as games from Steam. An amazon Basics cable runs from my AVR to my current display (VT30). Between the BD player and the AVR is a Key Digital HDMI. No handshake issues whatsoever, everything runs smoothly. The 9.8ft Amazon Cable says it "Supports Ethernet, 3D, 4K and Audio Return." The other two cables I'm unsure of as they were purchased from a closed account in 2011.

What, if anything, will I need to replace? I want to order any required products I need to today so they'll arrive right along with my P Series.

Again, thanks for the wonderful support and frankly camaraderie in this thread from day one. Very excited about this purchase!


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I'm pushing the p50-c1 as a pc monitor with two gtx980ti. No problem at all for gaming at [email protected] or sometimes [email protected] I can set the desktop at those resolution also. Little advice if using the set as pc monitor, is connect the pc to hdmi 2 input. Using hdmi 5 input has cause screen blackout trouble for me if I use vlc media player to watch 4k video. Also for some reason 4k videos stutter or judder with vlc, but not 1080p video. I downloaded a free media player called potplayer 64 bit and the 4k videos played fine. Advice number 2 is use the included vizio hdmi cord. I ordered a 6 foot high speed 18gp/s hdmi cable with RedMere Technology chip built in and I also ordered a 6 foot 1.2a display port to 18gp/s hdmi conversion cable from monoprice. I'm hopeing these cables have better connection for this panel and pc. The links are here if your interested.

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http://filehippo.com/download_potplayer_64_bit/

My xboxone, 360, ps3, ps4, wiiu, nvidia shield and steam link are connect to my lg oled ec9300 in the bedroom. My p50-c1 is a monitor for mac pro and pc.

Hey guy, if you're watching movies on it with your computer, you absolutely need to get MPC-HC along with MadVR. MadVR is a crazy awesome renderer that can take full advantage of all of a 980ti's processing power and then some (I know because I also have dual 980ti's). If you have a colorimeter you can even make 3DLut's for it. It's generally considered to be superior to just about any external video processor and is serious enough that Calman has MadVR 3Dlut creation built into it's enthusiast edition.
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Final question before purchasing my 75'' P Series on Saturday, in large part due to the amazing support the set has had in this thread. Particular thanks to the 20 or so guys continually answering everyone's questions.

I searched but wanted a clarification: My Blu-ray player is a Panasonic DMP-BDT110 and my AVR is a Denon AVR-2112CI. I have a 9.8ft Amazon Basics HDMI cable that runs from my AVR to a MacBook Pro W/ Retina that I use to play MKV, MP4, as well as games from Steam. An amazon Basics cable runs from my AVR to my current display (VT30). Between the BD player and the AVR is a Key Digital HDMI. No handshake issues whatsoever, everything runs smoothly. The 9.8ft Amazon Cable says it "Supports Ethernet, 3D, 4K and Audio Return." The other two cables I'm unsure of as they were purchased from a closed account in 2011.

What, if anything, will I need to replace? I want to order any required products I need to today so they'll arrive right along with my P Series.

Again, thanks for the wonderful support and frankly camaraderie in this thread from day one. Very excited about this purchase!


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Yes, I know the 55 inch version is an IPS panel but IPS panels do provide better color accuracy. Still, does the 65 inch version have lower input lag due to not being an IPS panel?

I think it does, pretty sure they tested the 55 inch model here.

http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2016
Rtings is a good reference they review the products for what they really are. That review is for the 65in model which is a va panel. That being said I've read that the input lag is very similar. With IPS you get better color accuracy at an angle but less contrast.

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As for the 24Hz matter, I experience the lip sync issue with my Xbox One and PS4. I haven't tried my PS3 yet. Everything is going through a 7 year-old Pioneer VSX-1018.

Although I am ready for a new receiver, I haven't decided on a model yet, so I figured I'd troubleshoot with the cheapest way. I'm going to be replacing my HDMI cables in the chain with Amazon Basics' 2.0 cables. I know some of my cables are older, so my thought is maybe that is the cause?
You may wat to look at receiver with automatic lip sync.

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with HDMI there are no guarantees ....

The best you can do is be confident in your supplier and be happy they have a return policy

It's just a cable .
It can't perform miracles , but all it can do is pass the signal with minimal losses .
This is why I use Belden , and over-spec of possible (cat6a when I don't really "need" it etc.

If it can pass the data one way , it should have equal performance going back the other way .

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That's why I wonder what's wrong with my ARC. My 45' Monoprice Cabernet works fine getting the signal to the tv. ARC PCM is fine coming back, just the bitstream fails. That *should* mean the cable is not at fault and it's a communication issue with either the tv or preamp.

Does anyone have ARC working with bitstream to a marantz av7702mkii or similar unit through any cable now?
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OK I just got a new roamio and see this same lip synch issue with tivo netflix and amazon prime apps. P65 with May firmware, Denon AvrX2200w.

I set tivo video settings to only have 1080p/60 checked, and not native 1024p/24. Is that the right way, and all looks good and sounds good without messing with the denon audio delay, leave set at 0ms.

I also have a new Sony 3700 bdp player connected to the avr, (something inexpensive whilst I wait for more uhd 4k disc player options later in the year).
Audio and Video formats are set to auto, and I don't have lip synch problems from the Sony netflix or amazon prime apps...

So seems tivo specific?

Q. How do I confirm I'm watching 24hz content input to the p65?

Yes set the Tivo to only output 1080P (60 fps). I do not believe this is a Tivo only issue because I have the same issue when I set my LG BD50 BR player to 24hz. You might not be experiencing the issue with your Sony BR player because it is much newer than my BR from 2010. Though I only got my AVR last year, I might sell it later this year and purchase a newer model with HDCP 2.2 support.

To check the Vertical Frequency follow the steps that @DJ Lushious provided in their reply.

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You may wat to look at receiver with automatic lip sync.

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My receiver does have that. This issue only occurs with this Vizio. I have zero problems with my Kuro Elite Pro-111FD or with a Hitachi RP HDTV that preceded the Pioneer.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...s/VSX-1018AH-K
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Using a P55-C1, HDMI Ports 1 ~ 4 work fine for [email protected] 4:4:4, HDMI-5 is unstable (black screens)...at least for me.
Per vizio web site HDMI does not support [email protected] Its lower input lag port don't do it. [email protected] looks great and gives the option of 12bit in nvidia control panel.

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My receiver does have that. This issue only occurs with this Vizio. I have zero problems with my Kuro Elite Pro-111FD or with a Hitachi RP HDTV that preceded the Pioneer.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...s/VSX-1018AH-K
I too get it once in awhile usually with YouTube. Though my older Samsung 3d blue ray doesn't have the problems with a vsx-1130k pioneer.

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