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I thought you were down near Tijuana today. Was it too hot?

When I finished flight school, I picked Rapid City SD over El Paso Tx because I didn't want to be doing preflight inspections inside the wings of a B-36 in Texas heat. Summer time is Rapid City was hot too.
I should have been .
I called in sick .
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Looks like I spoke too soon. HORRIBLE audio dropouts while casting Netflix this evening. It always seems like it's during peak hours, but casting and/or internet streaming just ain't ready for prime time if you can't do it reliably no matter the time of day.
We, as a nation, are way behind the public service broadband curve. The next step will be "pay as you go" bandwidth priority levels to help with these little glitches.

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Instead of trying to unscramble what I think was in the series of post about your problem, I'm just going to state four things that I think to be true.

1. The tablet uses WiFi to connect with the source providers, navigate their menus, and obtain the URL of your choice.

2. The tablet then uses WiFi to send the URL to the display.

3. The display can either use WiFi or Ethernet to obtain the stream from the provider.

4. WiFi is required and WiFi plus Ethernet is desirable for the reasons you stated.

Others, with more network and P-Series experience than I, have recommended starting over in situations like yours. They have also suggested that it's a good idea to get Vizio Support involved in the steps necessary to get a fresh start.
Right, I'm shooting for wireless for the tablet and ethernet only on the TV. I can't set up google cast on the TV without connecting to WiFi. The setup process doesn't "detect" my ethernet and continue to the TV configuration, so (I believe) I'm forced to use wifi on the tv.

As Anago pointed out, if I "skip" wifi then googlecast doesn't work at all. So if someone knows how to set up this TV using Googlecast via Ethernet only then please let me know.
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Right, I'm shooting for wireless for the tablet and ethernet only on the TV. I can't set up google cast on the TV without connecting to WiFi. The setup process doesn't "detect" my ethernet and continue to the TV configuration, so (I believe) I'm forced to use wifi on the tv.

As Anago pointed out, if I "skip" wifi then googlecast doesn't work at all. So if someone knows how to set up this TV using Googlecast via Ethernet only then please let me know.
Which icon does it show on the screen. If it's ethernet you are golden. If not I believe another user had an issue where it did not show the ethernet icon. He updated his router and it worked.
There is no setup for ethernet. You connect the cable and it will automatically get an IP from DHCP.

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I just tried mine aga9n and made videos .

On the first one , the cat photo-bombed me ,
And on the second one it paired successfully

I'll try doing a full reset in about 30 minutes and retrace my steps .

Iirc , it would not pair bluetooth so I searched wifi on the the tablet and instead of pairing to my home wifi I joined the tablet to the tv wifi .
Then it didn't seem to pair , and I turned hotspot on and paired the tablet to the tv wifi and then casted the tablet to the tv it was plain sailing after that ....
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Which icon does it show on the screen. If it's ethernet you are golden. If not I believe another user had an issue where it did not show the ethernet icon. He updated his router and it worked.
There is no setup for ethernet. You connect the cable and it will automatically get an IP from DHCP.
That's it, I had to switch input for the info screen to show up, and yes, there's a picture of an ethernet jack just left of the time.

Guess that answers it more or less. WiFi is required for setup, but afterwards it defaults to ethernet.
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I just tried mine aga9n and made videos .

On the first one , the cat photo-bombed me ,
And on the second one it paired successfully

I'll try doing a full reset in about 30 minutes and retrace my steps .

Iirc , it would not pair bluetooth so I searched wifi on the the tablet and instead of pairing to my home wifi I joined the tablet to the tv wifi .
Then it didn't seem to pair , and I turned hotspot on and paired the tablet to the tv wifi and then casted the tablet to the tv it was plain sailing after that ....
That won't work. You have to connect to wifi through the tablet to pair with the display.
On the bluetooth pairing screen on the tablet click on where is says setup wifi. That will take you through the wifi setup correctly.
Bluetooth has never paired on mine so I have done this may times.

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So the initial "put your tablet on the corner of the tv" thing is not the Bluetooth pairing ?
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So the initial "put your tablet on the corner of the tv" thing is not the Bluetooth pairing ?
It is but bluetooth is only a backup for wifi. You still need to pair with wifi to cast.

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So the initial "put your tablet on the corner of the tv" thing is not the Bluetooth pairing ?
I believe it's communicating via NFC and NFC can do either WiFi or Bluetooth.

The fact it's an android tablet and it's google software in the TV, I'd venture to bet it's using Android Beam to transmit and share WiFi/bluetooth information between the devices while the devices are in close proximity.
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It was Bluetooth pairing where I failed today .
As I believe you have in the past anago ?
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It was Bluetooth pairing where I failed today .
As I believe you have in the past anago ?
My bluetooth hasn't worked since day 1.
I spent an hour messing with it before I called support.
On the bluetooth pairing screen where it says you can skip and setup wifi. I thought it was informational and not clickable so I closed the app and connected to wifi manually which got the tablet on the internet but I couldn't cast.
I called support and found out you have to click on setup wifi for everything to work right.

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This is far too confusing for me !!

When I first got the tv , it set itself up no problem .

Then today I ended up doing it all again and had problems .

I pressed buttons and now it works again !!!

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This is far too confusing for me !!

When I first got the tv , it set itself up no problem .

Then today I ended up doing it all again and had problems .

I pressed buttons and now it works again !!!

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Can't you get sound through HDMI. That's how I do it. It shows up under playback devices.
Is that specific to the new 1080? I have a 960 and get sound over HDMI just fine.

See pg 16 of the manual: http://www.nvidia.com/content/geforc...User_Guide.pdf

Should be able to get sound out from 1080 over HDMI to the P series no problem. Unless it's giving lossy audio and that's the issue?

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Unfortunately, this is the one area where I've had to sacrifice. I use optical out of the motherboard and only get PCM stereo. I've thought about buying a USB sound card but don't really want to spend the money. I run the HDMI straight from the GPU to the TV.
Yea, unless you have an avr that is 4k 2.0a 2.2 blah blah blah... I use a Club 3d DisplayPort™ 1.2 to HDMI™ 2.0 4K60Hz UHD Active Adapter from gpu displayport to tv and hdmi from gpu to receiver. You need to use extend display option for receiver to be recognized. I have lossless sound from bluray pc player with full 5.1 set up to denon 2112 . It works well for me.
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so when I get my TV what will be the easiest set up? I have everything going to the AVR and out to the TV (standard) but my denon x4000 is not a 4K receiver so. My question is, if I keep it the way it is if I'm just gonna use 1080p content for awhile. Will I even be able to benefit from any "upscaling" or not? Because I'm not even going to be using HDMI 2.0 or whatever is required for 4K.

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Looks like I spoke too soon. HORRIBLE audio dropouts while casting Netflix this evening. It always seems like it's during peak hours, but casting and/or internet streaming just ain't ready for prime time if you can't do it reliably no matter the time of day.
I've been streaming Netflix for the last 4.5 hrs without a glitch.
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Got the P50-C1 and I loved it so far - until it started doing this. What lovely picture quality! Anyone else have this issue or know what it is? Streaming through my PS4 seems to work fine, it only happens when I'm casting which is weird. Tried changing from the tablet to my phone and it still had the error so it's not the tablet.
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I believe it's communicating via NFC and NFC can do either WiFi or Bluetooth.

The fact it's an android tablet and it's google software in the TV, I'd venture to bet it's using Android Beam to transmit and share WiFi/bluetooth information between the devices while the devices are in close proximity.
NFC can be used for Bluetooth pairing, an easier way to do so. It doesn't have anything to do with WiFi, however. The casting is done over a shared network: wirelessly on a mobile device and either wirelessly or wired on a computer.

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so when I get my TV what will be the easiest set up? I have everything going to the AVR and out to the TV (standard) but my denon x4000 is not a 4K receiver so. My question is, if I keep it the way it is if I'm just gonna use 1080p content for awhile. Will I even be able to benefit from any "upscaling" or not? Because I'm not even going to be using HDMI 2.0 or whatever is required for 4K.
If you buy any 4K devices with two HDMI outputs, like the Samsung or OPPO 4k players, you can use one HDMI out to your receiver and the other HDMI out to the display.

You have the Denon pass through any 1080p sources like Blu-ray to the display where it will be scaled to the native resolution of the Display. For other resolutions, test both ways and use the one (AVR or Display) that looks the best to you.

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Doh! Thanks for the reminder! I wonder if this is why I can't get the gamma to look right with The Witcher 3...


I haven't booted up GTA V on the Xbox One on my p65 yet, but I own it for both PC and Xbox One and can tell you with full confidence that at no point does the Xbox One version of the game run at 60fps. Also, I have tried the PC version on my p65 and I didn't see any of what you're describing.



Yeah, it for sure doesn't run at 60fps on the Xbox One, I don't think the devs ever even claimed that it does, pretty sure it's locked at 30fps, at least that's what it feels like to me coming from the PC version.

Back to my Witcher 3 dilema... I'm not home for a few more hours so I can't test the full RBG settings to see if that helps, but does anyone know if that might be why the gamma is so dark in game that I can't even make out the symbol in the gamma adjustment (in game) at full brightness? I have to set the TV's brightness setting up to at least 55 to even see the faintest outline of the symbol in the gamma adjustment, which makes things look too flat to me.
Yes, I ran into the same issue. Make sure that colorspace is set to full RGB rather than AUTO. Also, you need to change the pixel format in your GPU settings to RBG 4:4:4.

Here is a link to a page with instructions on how to fix HDMI color on Nvidia and AMD GPUs: https://pcmonitors.info/articles/cor...-and-amd-gpus/



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I have a P50 with the new firmware. I'm actually on my 3rd set - the first one was replaced because the "reduce judder" option was greyed out and customer service couldn't duplicate it on their P50. Sent me another set with the same issue - obviously come to find out that since they took it away in the new update it was either a known issue or wasn't supposed to be an option in the first place. 2nd set had really weird gamma that was too dark, even on 2.0. Exchanged it at Best Buy for my current set.
Hmm...I wonder if I'm having the same problem that you did with your second set. Bright images look great, but I feel like darker scenes are too dark sometimes. Maybe I'm just not used to such deep blacks? I'm tempted to exchange the set, but I'm very happy with the panel otherwise and don't want to go through the hassle if it turns out it's just a software issue. Maybe I can post some images to verify whether what I'm seeing is abnormal.
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Got the P50-C1 and I loved it so far - until it started doing this. What lovely picture quality! Anyone else have this issue or know what it is? Streaming through my PS4 seems to work fine, it only happens when I'm casting which is weird. Tried changing from the tablet to my phone and it still had the error so it's not the tablet.
Did it happen the first time you tried to cast? What steps do you take when you want to cast. There are recent posts that define the correct three or so steps that are best for starting to cast. They need to be done in the correct order.

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Got the P50-C1 and I loved it so far - until it started doing this. What lovely picture quality! Anyone else have this issue or know what it is? Streaming through my PS4 seems to work fine, it only happens when I'm casting which is weird. Tried changing from the tablet to my phone and it still had the error so it's not the tablet.
Did it happen the first time you tried to cast? What steps do you take when you want to cast. There are recent posts that define the correct three or so steps that are best for starting to cast. They need to be done in the correct order.
No, I used it fine for the first day and then it did it once the second day but stopped. The third day it did it almost nonstop. I usually turn on the TV with the tablet, go to the app, click the cast icon, and then click play. Is that wrong?
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No, I used it fine for the first day and then it did it once the second day but stopped. The third day it did it almost nonstop. I usually turn on the TV with the tablet, go to the app, click the cast icon, and then click play. Is that wrong?
It sounds right to me. It's probably time to call Vizio Support to get them to walk you through the problem.

I'm not an owner so maybe someone with direct experience will respond. If your other sources work then it doesn't sound like a hardware failure to me.

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yea im pretty sure right when i got this panel i checked for blooming on both letterboxes and when i hit the info button on a black screen and it was good, but that was before the firmware update, now its blooming to the point of distraction. still cant find anything on the internet that says if ips panels bloom worse than va or if its just an lcd thing. id be willing to jump to the 65 and trade off viewing angle/color for more screen and darker blacks, but not if it doesnt eliminate the blooming variable. or id be willing to keep this panel if blooming was somethin that could be addressed with the next firmware update.
Ok I just got the 14.4 update and I see what you talking about. My p55 isn't perfect anymore . I feel like I'm turts85 now grrr lol
I see edge bleed on LB bars and blooming when there was none or barely any before the update. It fixed the stuttering on YouTube videos tho
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Yup. It is totally unwatchable. Just looks like mush and nothing can fix it. No matter what you do it just looks terrible.
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Now if you believe that statement then that is how rumors and stereotypes start. I completely made up everything I wrote above. However, if I didn't put this disclaimer below it then everyone would have run with my statement. They would have said "Even an established Vizio Honk like me thinks it can't upscale". Everyone would keep stating that until something that was untrue became accepted as true.

The reality is that you shouldn't believe anything anyone says unless they demonstrate it with clear evidence or at least verifiable data. Upscaling is the only thing that RTINGS.com tested but really didn't provide any proof at all. They just drew a conclusion and left it at that. Their pictures they provided don't even backup their own conclusion even though they intentionally altered the settings(Turned off local dimming) to make the Vizio look worse.

If you watch low quality video with the TV and the out of the box settings you will be disappointed. Those settings are not good especially for overly compressed material. I have listed some settings below that will improve your low quality watching greatly with the new P-series. If you try these settings then it will look like any other TV even for low quality stuff.

Backlight = something less than 77 (If you go too high with backlight it will stop the pulsing that it does and just "Hold" the backlight on. That makes motion more prone to ghosting)
Brightness = Default (Don't touch this at all or you are the one to blame for the picture quality issues that arise.)
Contrast = Default (Don't touch this at all or you are the one to blame for the picture quality issues that arise.)
Color = 50 or 51 (You really have to be careful with this setting. It can cause serious color issues even with moderate increases in value)
Sharpness = 8 to 14 (Don't go too high or too low. Going too low is just as bad as going too high. Use the noise reduction controls instead of going too low)
Black Detail = Off (It doesn't work well on the P-series)
Active LED Zones = On (With the latest firmware this should always be left on.)
Clear Action = Off (No need for this with regular TV content. This is a Computer specific setting)
Reduce Signal Noise = Off (Unless you have content that has noise in it and you want to remove it. Honestly, my recommendation is to never turn it on.)
Reduce Block Noise = Off (Turn this to low if you use 8 for sharpness but you still want it to blur the macro blocks more. If you want even more blurring then just use High or Medium.)

Game Low Latency = On (Ok here is where everyone loses their *****.)

I have been testing all of the settings trying to figure out what works and what doesn't with this TV. I have come to the conclusion based on my testing that something in the processing just isn't right. I am not sure if it is in the motion interpolation settings or something else. However, when I turn on Game Low Latency the macro blocks from compression seem less noticeable. It isn't that they disappear. It just seems like they are less noticeable.

I know this is sacrilege. The common thought is that processing always helps with low quality content. However, it could do harm just as easily. In the case of the P-series my testing indicated that it was doing exactly that.

The nice thing is that Game Low Latency doesn't disable the sharpness or Reduce Noise settings at all. You can still use those but it will disable the motion controls.

I found that the motion controls were causing uneven motion and they really weren't helping with regular broadcast content except for scrolling text. They help tremendously with a computer but they aren't helping with regular TV content. The motion controls also cause lip sync issues. If the video delay goes from approximately 17 ms to over 100 ms and the audio doesn't change then you will definitely get lip sync issues.

You can't touch the individual brightness color controls at all. If you do then everything I have stated above goes out the window. You will cause posterization in some content that appears like really bad mosquito noise. If you insist on doing that then I can guarantee that your experience with low quality content will not be good in certain cases.

Give GLL = On a try with the other settings I suggested. I think you will be surprised. Just don't think that any TV can totally get rid of compression artifacts without severely compromising the resolution and detail of the content. Garbage in equals Garbage out.
So you are basically saying with this post a lot of netflix looks like crap on this TV with out of the box settings? This was the one thing i was worried about lol (my 2015 e series netflix looks like garbage with dark scenes.) I was told sony has by far the best upscaler, guess ill wait til my P55 arrives but it may be going back for a sony. Of course i will try your settings first tho.
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P-series, ARC, Dolby Atmos, Vizio Dolby digital setting. Problem solved.

Nut shell. Vudu is the only app that supports Vizio DD setting. If you set Vizio audio setting to DD. Then play Vudu Dolby atmos experience through cast. It all works.

I have been using netflix. Based on discussion in forum, I never thought to think that Netflix android app does not support 5.x.x/7.x.x. If you think about it, it does make total sense. What devices does android run on that has surround sound? tablet's, Phones? Nope. They are at best 2 speaker systems. So there is no problem on my end with Pioneer or Vizio. Well maybe slightly Vizio. The problem is Netflix. But Why didn't Vizio work with netflix to more harmonious integrate netflix just like Vudu into there app. Guessing it will be 6 months to a year before netflix app would support 5.x.x.

After getting the run around from 7:30 to 10:30pm tonight. Talking to Pioneer, Vizio, Netflix. All of them pointing fingers at each other. I pulled conference call between netflix and Vizio. By 11:45 Netflix accepted blame. I am exhausted. But glad we found the problem. Wow, what a night.

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