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Great, my P75 is supposed to be in Monday and a big reason I bought it is for the Vudu UHD streaming which now doesn't seem to be working?
Just had a thought! If the P75 comes with earlier firmware should I just NOT update it? It seems Vudu 4k streaming was working prior to the latest firmware, right?

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Great, my P75 is supposed to be in Monday and a big reason I bought it is for the Vudu UHD streaming which now doesn't seem to be working?
I just tested "In The Heart Of The Sea", and it appears to be streaming UHD/DV just fine on my P75 (with the latest FW).
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So, I'll admit I'm a little slow, but could someone please explain HDR capabilities with the P65. I just got the Samsung k8500 UHD bluray player and noticed in the P65 system info screen that HDR was listed as "No" while playing a new UHD disk. The disk even popped up a choice to play HDR content. So is HDR only available via casting now, until the HDR10 firmware update comes out? I also have a Denon x3200. Current path is as follows; k8500 -> X3200 -> P65. All BJC HDMI cables.


If this is the case, what quality I'm I currently getting with the K8500 and a UHD disk? Standard 4k?


Thanks in advance.
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So, I'll admit I'm a little slow, but could someone please explain HDR capabilities with the P65. I just got the Samsung k8500 UHD bluray player and noticed in the P65 system info screen that HDR was listed as "No" while playing a new UHD disk. The disk even popped up a choice to play HDR content. So is HDR only available via casting now, until the HDR10 firmware update comes out? I also have a Denon x3200. Current path is as follows; k8500 -> X3200 -> P54. All BJC HDMI cables.


If this is the case, what quality I'm I currently getting with the K8500 and a UHD disk? Standard 4k?


Thanks in advance.
Not that slow, you answered your own questions.
you will not get HDR10 from the K8500 (or anywhere) until the update. You are getting 4K resolution though.
You can get Dolby Vision HDR from some UHD titles on VUDU, and Marco Polo from Netflix (with DV coming to some other titles "soon")
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Not that slow, you answered your own questions.
you will not get HDR10 from the K8500 (or anywhere) until the update. You are getting 4K resolution though.
You can get Dolby Vision HDR from some UHD titles on VUDU, and Marco Polo from Netflix (with DV coming to some other titles "soon")
Just to piggyback on this to help.

There are two types of HDR: HDR10 and Dolby Vision.
-All UHD disk must include HDR10 and Dolby Vision is optional. Currently there are no Dolby Vision UHD players on the market.
-VUDU and Netflix currently stream in Dolby Vision and that works just fine with the P series
-HDR10 will be rolled out into 2 phases, first so it works over HDMI and then with streaming content. The HDR10 update should hit our TVs at the latest in the next 45 days.
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So, I'll admit I'm a little slow, but could someone please explain HDR capabilities with the P65. I just got the Samsung k8500 UHD bluray player and noticed in the P65 system info screen that HDR was listed as "No" while playing a new UHD disk. The disk even popped up a choice to play HDR content. So is HDR only available via casting now, until the HDR10 firmware update comes out? I also have a Denon x3200. Current path is as follows; k8500 -> X3200 -> P65. All BJC HDMI cables.


If this is the case, what quality I'm I currently getting with the K8500 and a UHD disk? Standard 4k?


Thanks in advance.
You are actually not getting standard 4k. Sadly UHD discs do not have a standard 4k format.
UHD discs are graded to be very dark. This does not change when your tv doesn't have HDR. Which means some scenes will be too dark unless you calibrate the picture to be brighter. Normally the HDR metadata would change this but without the metadata the picture will be dark.
You will not likely notice in brightly lit scenes. But scenes that are suppose to be very dark, get so dark you can't even see what is happening.
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You are actually not getting standard 4k. Sadly UHD discs do not have a standard 4k format.
UHD discs are graded to be very dark. This does not change when your tv doesn't have HDR. Which means some scenes will be too dark unless you calibrate the picture to be brighter. Normally the HDR metadata would change this but without the metadata the picture will be dark.
You will not likely notice in brightly lit scenes. But scenes that are suppose to be very dark, get so dark you can't even see what is happening.
This is somewhat true. Not all of the UHD disks have dark grading but many do. You can accommodate by boosting backlight and lowering gamma. Until we have the HDR10 update, you need to customize the setup for each disk but usually by just using those 2 settings.

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Just to piggyback on this to help.

There are two types of HDR: HDR10 and Dolby Vision.
-All UHD disk must include HDR10 and Dolby Vision is optional. Currently there are no Dolby Vision UHD players on the market.
-VUDU and Netflix currently stream in Dolby Vision and that works just fine with the P series
-HDR10 will be rolled out into 2 phases, first so it works over HDMI and then with streaming content. The HDR10 update should hit our TVs at the latest in the next 45 days.

Perfect. Thanks for the explanation. Just curious, is there a way to verify which HDR signal is being received? HDR or DV? Maybe that will come with the HDR10 update?
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Such sadness. I had this happen 3 times since I got my P75 a little over a month ago. When it happens on mine the right half of the screen is a bunch of crazy lines and barely any picture. It happened this morning but went away after 10 seconds. The other 2 times I had to power cycle.
Did it look anything like this? This happens on my TV every few hours or so. I called Vizio and got it replaced; getting my new set today!
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This is somewhat true. Not all of the UHD disks have dark grading but many do. You can accommodate by boosting backlight and lowering gamma. Until we have the HDR10 update, you need to customize the setup for each disk but usually by just using those 2 settings.
Yea I normally have my set at 2.4 gamma. Dropping it to 2.1 helps quite a bit when watching movies that are dark.
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Did it look anything like this? This happens on my TV every few hours or so. I called Vizio and got it replaced; getting my new set today!
Similar to that. But at this point it only happened 3 times in last month. If it starts occurring more or if the next firmware doesn't fix it I will call vizio.
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Eh ive only owned vizio tv's starting with a 32" from about 2007 (flat panels that is, before that was a ton of random tube tv's lol). I was brand loyal and i regret it, this TV simply does not offer the WoW factor i was looking for. I will say it does better with dark scenes on netflix compared to my 40" from last year, but aside from that i dont see appreciable differences. I am a vizio fanboy if anything, but i think its time i try some other brands.
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How is your P55 holding up? Any issues for you after the update...if you got it
I did get the update, and haven't seen any problems. But you're the second person to ask about any issues after the update. Is there an issue out there I'm not aware of? I haven't been keeping up with this thread.

Actually, if there is an issue, maybe I'm better off not knowing... ignorance is bliss after all
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Perfect. Thanks for the explanation. Just curious, is there a way to verify which HDR signal is being received? HDR or DV? Maybe that will come with the HDR10 update?
In the settings it just says HDR: Yes or No. If a movie contains HDR10 and Dolby Vision, Dolby Vision will take over. The general consensus is that Dolby Vision is the better of the two b.c it is dynamic and contains metadata to make changes scene by scene. HDR10 is static it the current state.

Dolby owns Dolby Vision and they license HDR10. If you think about it, it makes sense to keep the best for yourself.
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I just tested "In The Heart Of The Sea", and it appears to be streaming UHD/DV just fine on my P75 (with the latest FW).
One thing that is consistent on these forums is the lack of consistency.
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Eh ive only owned vizio tv's starting with a 32" from about 2007 (flat panels that is, before that was a ton of random tube tv's lol). I was brand loyal and i regret it, this TV simply does not offer the WoW factor i was looking for. I will say it does better with dark scenes on netflix compared to my 40" from last year, but aside from that i dont see appreciable differences. I am a vizio fanboy if anything, but i think its time i try some other brands.
If you are THAT disapointed with it, there is without a doubt something wrong either with your settings on the set or somewhere in your chain of devices or you simply have a deffective set.
These are not OLED wow but pretty damn close so saying it looks like crap just says something isnt right....
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One thing that is consistent on these forums is the lack of consistency.
Try scrubbing to other locations after you start playing. Make sure you are in UHD. HDX is fine.

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All, the VUDU problem (specifically with casting UHD titles) has been replicated by Vizio and is being analyzed. Stay tuned.


Well it's about time someone called Vizio


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exactly how I have it. While the TV can be set to ARC only, the AVR needs Control Mode (CEC) and ARC on
Yea, I finally gave up on ARC and installed optical cable. Now receive DD and DD+. Have CEC off on both ends and auto for 2112 with bitstream on p65...
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Yea, I finally gave up on ARC and installed optical cable. Now receive DD and DD+. Have CEC off on both ends and auto for 2112 with bitstream on p65...
You are getting DD+ over optical to your AVR? Do you have ATMOS? If so and it works, you might be the first guy on planet earth to play ATMOS over optical via DD+.
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So i finally got my P55 setup, ive watched a few netflix series 4k youtube vids cable tv and i gotta say....im not very impressed. I guess i was expecting more coming from a 300 dollar 1080p vizio from last year, but i dont think its as big of an upgrade as id hoped. First off the viewing angles are not impressive at all, colors shift almost instantly but get slightly better the farther you go which is odd. 4k youtube vids looks good i guess, but they also did on my last tv at 1080. Cable looks ATROCIOUS with my charter spectrum box, with a 1080i signal (highest my box can output) there is so much artifacting, good thing i dont watch much cable but it looks way better on my 40" e series from last year. Last the sound.....holy hell i didnt think it was possible but it honestly sounds worse than my 40". Obviously i was going to upgrade audio either way so not a huge deal, but how can speakers inside a 55" tv sound worse than a 40? If you dont turn on "volume leveling" the dialogue gets completely drowned out by whatever music/background noises are going on. I have two seating positions in my bedroom, im at my PC right now and the colors are so muted watching one of the most vibrant netflix series (kimmy schmidt) its quite disappointing.

Needless to say its going back, guess ill try a samsung out. On plus side i am having no issues with casting at all, which i knew i wouldnt cause i was very used to using a chromecast. Getting full 4k youtube etc. Guess ill have to get used to other brands smart interface until google releases a 4k chromecast. Real shame i was hoping to like this tv and i snagged it for 1099.00. Admittedly i havent watched any HDR on the set, but given how little of it is out there and how much normal netflix viewing i do HDR wont save this set for me.
I have a p65 but I have noticed every once in awhile if I change brightness or other options back and forth on tablet, the picture looks TERRIBLE. So, I just reset the input(calibrated) this morning and WHAM!! The tv went from looking like garbage to a thing of beauty. I hope this isn't something that will be an ongoing issue moving forward.. BTW on a different subject even after resetting tablet, the options button(picture,ect.) is blanked out. I downloaded vizio app on my phone and it works perfectly. This tv is used in my basement for myself and teenagers. If my wife spent anytime down there, I would have returned this set weeks ago...
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@scarylarry what happenened bud? What did you get?
Sorry not to update sooner--I've been slammed at work. I ended up sticking with the P50. I'm not thrilled with the viewing angle, but I've been pretty happy with everything else, firmware quirks aside.

I think I would have exchanged it if the Best Buy sale were still going on. I got the P50 during the Memorial Day sale, and the difference between the sale price on the P50 and the non-sale price on the P55 is too steep. I kept checking with the hope that there would be a flash sale on the P55 yesterday, but it stayed firm. In the end, I could not justify what amounts to a $500 price difference, PLUS shipping/cab charges for the P50 return.

I don't love the fact that the colors start washing out whenever I'm not literally sitting in front of the very center of the screen, but I will learn to live with it! It's a great display otherwise.
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You are getting DD+ over optical to your AVR? Do you have ATMOS? If so and it works, you might be the first guy on planet earth to play ATMOS over optical via DD+.
DD+ cannot pass over optical. The person you quoted is mistaken
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I have a p65 but I have noticed every once in awhile if I change brightness or other options back and forth on tablet, the picture looks TERRIBLE. So, I just reset the input(calibrated) this morning and WHAM!! The tv went from looking like garbage to a thing of beauty. I hope this isn't something that will be an ongoing issue moving forward.. BTW on a different subject even after resetting tablet, the options button(picture,ect.) is blanked out. I downloaded vizio app on my phone and it works perfectly. This tv is used in my basement for myself and teenagers. If my wife spent anytime down there, I would have returned this set weeks ago...
I actually use the app on my iPhone over the tablet b.c it works that much better. I do not think I have touched the tablet in close to a month.
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Just to piggyback on this to help.

There are two types of HDR: HDR10 and Dolby Vision.
-All UHD disk must include HDR10 and Dolby Vision is optional. Currently there are no Dolby Vision UHD players on the market.
-VUDU and Netflix currently stream in Dolby Vision and that works just fine with the P series
-HDR10 will be rolled out into 2 phases, first so it works over HDMI and then with streaming content. The HDR10 update should hit our TVs at the latest in the next 45 days.
Has it been confirmed that HDR10 is definitely rolling in two waves (not to start up another rumor mill...), or just that they are strongly considering that plan?
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DD+ cannot pass over optical. The person you quoted is mistaken
It was a bit of a challenge. I will say there are some that have said it could, but I've yet to see it.
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Tablet is still in the case actually, still sealed. TV does not look terrible on most content just the cable box, and sorry i am using calibrated preset calibrated dark is too dim for my liking. I am simply just not wow'ed by the set as i hoped, the colors dont pop out at me and i think that has to do with vizios matte coating tbh, thats why i said i wanna try different brands. Glass makes more of a difference imho than panel quality when talking in same price bracket. I bought 55 because of the IPS, blacks are still amazing but the colors really look odd at an angle....almost subdued.
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2016/2017 vizio p-series - nice pic(k)! / netflix , best value , D7000 , dolby vision , latest firmware - 6.0.18.1 - previous 5.0.16.1 , Vizio , Vudu

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