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There shouldn't be any problem displaying 8 bit on the panel as 8 bit is Rec.709 and is the majority of the content you, or any of us, are viewing. 10 bit is part of Rec or BT.2020 for UHD which is DV or HDR content. You can still pass 10 bit by changing your 960 to output 4:2:2 or 4:2:0.

For reference I am also using a 960 set at 4:4:4 8 bit.
Great information. Does your chroma test look like the results I am getting? See this post:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post44517417

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Great information. Does your chroma test look like the results I am getting? See this post:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post44517417
I'm normally on [email protected] 4:4:4 8 bit. Looked just fine that way. Switched to [email protected] 4:4:4 8 bit. Looked the same, easily readable. What driver version are you using and what other settings have you changed? I purposely rolled back my driver to 362.00 as I was having trouble on the latest driver. I also made sure to turn off content detection and leave it set as Desktop instead of auto. Have you made any changes to your pictures settings on the display itself?

Tried finding other versions of the image. If I use this one: http://i.rtings.com/images/Chroma-444.png It looks washed out at 100% in Chrome. But if I zoom out or in it immediately fixes the color issues. However that image is only a 720p image. Need to find a 4k version.

Here's some other test images found on AVS:
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http://i.imgur.com/unbaVUt.png

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I'm normally on [email protected] 4:4:4 8 bit. Looked just fine that way. Switched to [email protected] 4:4:4 8 bit. Looked the same, easily readable. What driver version are you using and what other settings have you changed? I purposely rolled back my driver to 362.00 as I was having trouble on the latest driver. I also made sure to turn off content detection and leave it set as Desktop instead of auto. Have you made any changes to your pictures settings on the display itself?

Tried finding other versions of the image. If I use this one: http://i.rtings.com/images/Chroma-444.png It looks washed out at 100% in Chrome. But if I zoom out or in it immediately fixes the color issues. However that image is only a 720p image. Need to find a 4k version.

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http://i.imgur.com/LEPj80K.gif
http://i.imgur.com/unbaVUt.png
I'm using the latest drivers (or what was a week ago) 368.22. But it should not matter if you are using a 720p image as long as you are zoomed in exactly at 100%. I have not made any changes to the picture setting really...just a couple minor adjustments. When going to default settings, it still looks the same.

The discussion on hardforums are getting the same results I am. https://hardforum.com/threads/2016-v...1896948/page-3

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UPDATE on VUDU:

My entire library played perfectly tonite after 3 weeks of issues while playing UHD/DV titles. Let's hope it sticks. Seems even more responsive than before the latest firmware update.

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OK - decided to make the jump to 4K. Did my research & and the P50 recommended as best value for a set with true HDR capability. I just don't know if I'm doing it right.
In order for you to have any idea about what is good picture quality, you need to do some investigation.

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My tablet remote tells me no HDR; maybe because there's no HDR signal to enable.
Your tablet is telling you about the signal that you are receiving. Someone else has pointed out some sources for HDR material. There are two types of HDR material that can be cast right now -- HDR10 and Dolby Vision. Your set can play Dolby Vision (DV) now by casting from Netflix and Vudu, and your set should be able to play HDR10 shinny disks in about 45 days if you have a player. At some point, after 45 days, you will be able to cast HDR10 video material from places like Vudu.

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Please forgive my lack of proper AV enthusiast terms and acronymns or even the proper use thereof. I have HD cable via fiber with the box connected to HDMI1. I DVR the US Costa Rica game. Why don't the lines on field look smooth? They look Nintendo 64 jagged.
Who's HD box do you have, and what channel were you watching the US vs Costa Rica game on. Fox, ABC, and all ESPN channels are usually 720p. All the others are usually 1080i. All TVs and displays have to convert the input resolution to the native resolution of the set. In your case that's 2160p (4K).

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I play a blue-ray disk with the player connected to HDMI5.
What Blu-ray player is that? Or, is it a game console? What disk are you playing? In any case, your player will send 1080i output for all Blu-ray disks that contain material recorded for TV. Your player will send 1080p output for all film based movies.

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With the picture setting on calibrated-dark or calibrated it looks nice it just doesn't look like life with the vividness and depth perception that I though the LED array was supposed to provide.
Picture quality (PQ) is different for every source. It should look as good as it did on your old 1080p set. By the way, what set are you coming from?

I've never observed "life" in "vivid" mode. Maybe you're looking for more pop than more reality.

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It has that faint haze that keeps you from feeling like you're in the movie.
Thats hard to communicate.

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The most lifelike it gets is with the picture setting on vivid.
That's what Best Buy (BB) uses in there show rooms to go with the bright florescent lighting. Calibrated (in a light room) and Calibrated Dark (in a dark room) get you very close to what the director intended with well made Blu-ray movies. Everything else can be unpredictable -- especially live sports events. Your cable company may also be doing heavy compression on their signals in your area.

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From what I've read in this enormously long thread is that calibrated and calibrated-dark are the best settings for picture quality.
I figured the upscaling engine would make it look better than 1080p otherwise why bother.
This sounds like a big part of your disappointment. Upscaling does not add information to an image that isn't already there. The best you can hope for with upscaled images is that their loss of quality is so little that you don't notice. We have no idea what devices you have that might be doing some of the upscaling because we don't know what devices you have. It sounds like you have a cable box connected to HDMI 1, and a game console connected to HDMI 5. Both of them may or may not be doing some of your upscaling and/or deinterlacing which could negatively effect PQ.

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What am I doing wrong?
You're new to this stuff and your expectations might be off the mark. It's hard to tell from what you wrote. Exact details are a big help anytime you look for help.

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Is upscaling something I have to turn on?
You don't have to do anything in your P50. You might need to change some things in your cable box and/or your game console to get better performance.

I went into all this detail because you said that your are new. The biggest challenge is to learn what is important information that you need in order to get help. Your post didn't sound like you have a busted display on your hands.

I almost forgot. Read post number one carefully. Most of it was written to help you get started.

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I'm using the latest drivers (or what was a week ago) 368.22. But it should not matter if you are using a 720p image as long as you are zoomed in exactly at 100%. I have not made any changes to the picture setting really...just a couple minor adjustments. When going to default settings, it still looks the same.

The discussion on hardforums are getting the same results I am. https://hardforum.com/threads/2016-v...1896948/page-3
Yes, I do get the washed out image when it is correctly viewed. Reading through the hardforum posts does reinforce that there is some issue with this display. Not sure what it is and I don't notice any issue at all unless I am specifically playing with this test image.

Also did Testufo finally just for the heck of it, didn't notice any issues there for [email protected] or [email protected]
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UPDATE on VUDU:

My entire library played perfectly tonite after 3 weeks of issues while playing UHD/DV titles. Let's hope it sticks. Seems even more responsive than before the latest firmware update.
Do you think Vudu did some software updating?

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It seems that, for some, rigorous testing is a lot more fun than watching a movie. Maybe there should be better movies.

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I have a P55. Regarding audio set up properly from ARC HDMI 1 to a Vizio Sound bar:

When the source is Amazon Fire TV from a Fire TV streaming box there is no DD+ or even DD. Its stereo only. When casting with the remote-tablet Netflix will show DD+. HBO when casting will not and is in stereo.

Should I run the Fire TV stream box to the Vizio Soundbar and the SB to the TV? Not being able to get DD or DD+ from Amazon Fire TV is disappointing. Visio support said they have been able to get Fire TV to work or be recognized by the TV.
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UPDATE on VUDU:

My entire library played perfectly tonite after 3 weeks of issues while playing UHD/DV titles. Let's hope it sticks. Seems even more responsive than before the latest firmware update.
And I can corroborate this, too. Mad Max: Fury Road and Man of Steel playing back without any issues at all. But will it stay that way?
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My local BB is now going to have the set back in stock on June 14, so BB didn't run out apparently. That's my kind of luck, seeing as I ordered from Vizio's site yesterday. Went to cancel my order there and discovered it had already shipped... guess they wanted their $145 shipping fee! "Ships within 30 days" is quite an overestimate apparently.
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Question, where can you select between RGB limited and full on the Vizio?
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I'm assuming you're using this for your p65? How much space is there between the base of the mount and the bottom of your TV? I'd like to place my center channel on top of the base but want to make sure it doesn't cover the TV.
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Simple question. I didn't see the answer on the first post or in the User manual that I downloaded and read. How do you do a true reboot and clear the internal cache? I'm not talking about a factory reset (the nuclear option). I haven't needed it yet, but...

Oh as an aside I turned off Vizio's spyware "feature". http://www.cnet.com/how-to/disable-v...art-tv-spying/
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Why are you guys so quick to return a TV? You didn't have local dimming on. So what do you expect a black screen to look like with dimming off?


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I have a feeling this is a big reason they are sold out. People aren't patient enough to learn how to adjust settings before they exchange it. You know, just in case there's a problem.

Why isn't the default, FALD on ?

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Why are you guys so quick to return a TV? You didn't have local dimming on. So what do you expect a black screen to look like with dimming off?





Why isn't the default, FALD on ?
There are a couple of mode that FALD is disabled, like Game, most are on by default.

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UPDATE on VUDU:



My entire library played perfectly tonite after 3 weeks of issues while playing UHD/DV titles. Let's hope it sticks. Seems even more responsive than before the latest firmware update.


Just tried this morning and I was able to get 3 of mine to play fine, but I still have issues fast forwarding or rewinding - it buffers or exits out. Also, I noticed when I initially hit play it takes about 10 seconds for it to start on the display and it used to be immediate.


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P75 owner- Been lurking for a while and messing with settings after the .14 update. I'm still getting the pink line along the top and screen tearing in the middle. Unfortunately, Vizio cs must've had issues with phone support, it kept kicking me off right when they transfer to live person. I emailed them and hope they can start the ball rolling.

Curious, anyone else is still seeing the pink line and having screen tearing issues? We are locked into the set as the return date has past but I'm bummed Those issues haven't resolved, also seems like I notice a lot more VB.

Not a hater just frustrated and want this set to shine. Glad VUDU is working better for people, I had 4 movies lock up on me in the last two days. I'll check it out when I get home, wife is having our first baby and we are in the hospital, talk about crappy signal...

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Yep sorry i have the P55. got it yesterday.

Anyone else mind looking at the pics a page back? Is the light bleed within normal range or?

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Yep sorry i have the P55. got it yesterday.

Anyone else mind looking at the pics a page back? Is the light bleed within normal range or?
honestly, to me the fald off pic looks okay, but with fald on it looks like you have excessive blooming. if youre not happy id exchange it.
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All, the VUDU problem (specifically with casting UHD titles) has been replicated by Vizio and is being analyzed. Stay tuned.
hi think work is progressing. just grabbed coffee and tried Heart of Sea and now playing! so glad cuz in laws here now and wanted to show them HDR...
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P75 owner- Been lurking for a while and messing with settings after the .14 update. I'm still getting the pink line along the top and screen tearing in the middle. Unfortunately, Vizio cs must've had issues with phone support, it kept kicking me off right when they transfer to live person. I emailed them and hope they can start the ball rolling.

Curious, anyone else is still seeing the pink line and having screen tearing issues? We are locked into the set as the return date has past but I'm bummed Those issues haven't resolved, also seems like I notice a lot more VB.

Not a hater just frustrated and want this set to shine. Glad VUDU is working better for people, I had 4 movies lock up on me in the last two days. I'll check it out when I get home, wife is having our first baby and we are in the hospital, talk about crappy signal...
The pink line happens when the display doesn't sync properly to the resolution. I had this on my M80 as well. Just change back and forth the input. The screen tearing has mostly been resolved but still shows up for the P75. I have it mostly while gaming. Vizio has acknowledged the problem and is finalizing a fix.
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Yes, I do get the washed out image when it is correctly viewed. Reading through the hardforum posts does reinforce that there is some issue with this display. Not sure what it is and I don't notice any issue at all unless I am specifically playing with this test image.

Also did Testufo finally just for the heck of it, didn't notice any issues there for [email protected] or [email protected]
If you have time, could you try some of the ufo tests @60hz 2160p 4:4:4 Chroma?

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Just tried this morning and I was able to get 3 of mine to play fine, but I still have issues fast forwarding or rewinding - it buffers or exits out. Also, I noticed when I initially hit play it takes about 10 seconds for it to start on the display and it used to be immediate.


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Just went through all my titles this am... All working and track scrubbing is working as well. Seems like this is a server side issue.

Guessing it's getting fixed and rolled out.
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Do you think Vudu did some software updating?
I think it's server side but very coincidental to the firmware update. Joint project I'm guessing to get it fixed.

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Just tried this morning and I was able to get 3 of mine to play fine, but I still have issues fast forwarding or rewinding - it buffers or exits out. Also, I noticed when I initially hit play it takes about 10 seconds for it to start on the display and it used to be immediate.


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Keep trying. I think it's being worked out. I tried 10 titles this am and they all worked perfectly.

Behavior changes I see are: title initiates load to correct track location in 1080p and SDR, HDR metadata loads (backlight change kicks in), track begins playing at 1080p and spins up to 4k based on your LAN speed. Sometimes immediate and sometimes it takes 10-20 seconds but in all cases this am, it did spin up to 4k and always played in HDR/DV.

This worked very reliably. I had no hangs, crashes, or switch-outs to HDX/non-DV version.

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P75 owner- Been lurking for a while and messing with settings after the .14 update. I'm still getting the pink line along the top and screen tearing in the middle. Unfortunately, Vizio cs must've had issues with phone support, it kept kicking me off right when they transfer to live person. I emailed them and hope they can start the ball rolling.

Curious, anyone else is still seeing the pink line and having screen tearing issues? We are locked into the set as the return date has past but I'm bummed Those issues haven't resolved, also seems like I notice a lot more VB.

Not a hater just frustrated and want this set to shine. Glad VUDU is working better for people, I had 4 movies lock up on me in the last two days. I'll check it out when I get home, wife is having our first baby and we are in the hospital, talk about crappy signal...
VUDU issues definitely being resolved (see my other posts). I had the pink line at the top occasionally but haven't seen it now for a few weeks. An input switch or restart always fixed it. I don't personally see any screen tearing. I've had the split screen a few times but mostly after messing with my CMS. No ongoing issue with it for me but Vizio appears to be well aware of this.
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Now that Vudu UHD casting issues seem to be resolved, I can resume the eternal struggle of deciding between streaming or physical media.

Vudu would have a more persuasive argument if they added more Warner titles, and titles from other studios. Has anyone heard about plans along those lines?
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Now that Vudu UHD casting issues seem to be resolved, I can resume the eternal struggle of deciding between streaming or physical media.

Vudu would have a more persuasive argument if they added more Warner titles, and titles from other studios. Has anyone heard about plans along those lines?
I agree with you about the struggle between streaming or physical. Once we get the HDR update, I may invest in a UHD blu ray player. I just can't see the need for it right now. Anyone else have any thoughts on physical or streaming? I have a rock solid internet connection and have no issues streaming 4K. Is there any difference picture wise between streaming and discs? I am really hoping Netflix starts offering more Dolby Vision content soon. Marco Polo was just not my thing.
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I had my 65" (which did not have a noticeable yellow problem) replaced because of the issue you can see in the photo. After waiting 2 weeks for it to arrive my replacement model has a yellow band at the center/bottom of the screen. I don't notice while watching programs in color but I do in black and white. Im trying to not pay attention to it. But after spending $2000 I don't feel like I should have to "put up with it".

How are the rest of you dealing with the yellow band problem?

Is the yellow band problem covered under warranty?
The yellow band seems pretty common/widespread. I figure there are two ways to deal with it: (1) play the panel lottery and continue exchanging until you get one you're satisfied with, or (2) live with it. I chose Option 2; you might choose Option 1 if you have the patience for it but you'll obviously run the risk of receiving a replacement panel that has the same issue or other problems that are more obnoxious.
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