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It's curious, then, that you're one of the most active posters in the Vizio 2016 P Series Owners Thread.
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Finally home and got a little sleep. My display updated while I was gone.

I popped the Revenant in the K8500 and boom.... HDR.

I'm not sure what's going on with others, but with my DV calibration table all the disks I've tried this am look great at gamma 2.1 (my calibration gamma) and backlight at a midpoint of 50 (variable to taste). I have NO black crush except something's messed up the the Life of Pi disk.

No banding. Tone mapping is outstanding. Skin-tones are great. The detail of the disks is noticeable over the streaming DV titles. (DV disks please).

My integration is K8500 single cable for audio and video into the Pioneer SC-95. 35ft BJC Series 1 cable running from AVR to the display, HDMI1. 4:4:4 enable on the SC-95 and HDMI subsampling "on". Video Processing is "off" on the AVR.

I'm watching right now in about 30% ambient room light and it's looks great with backlight at 50 and gamma at 2.1. Your gamma setting is going to be model dependent and could very well be different from someone with a calibrated display. Backlight is ambient dependent and subjective as it is.

I have reservations about not having a discreet calibration bank for HDR10 (sharing the DV calibration tables). I am less concerned this am.
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Finally home and got a little sleep. My display updated while I was gone.

I popped the Revenant in the K8500 and boom.... HDR.

I'm not sure what's going on with others, but with my DV calibration table all the disks I've tried this am look great at gamma 2.1 (my calibration gamma) and backlight at a midpoint of 50 (variable to taste). I have NO black crush except something's messed up the the Life of Pi disk.

No banding. Tone mapping is outstanding. Skin-tones are great. The detail of the disks is noticeable over the streaming DV titles. (DV disks please).

My integration is K8500 single cable for audio and video into the Pioneer SC-95. 35ft BJC Series 1 cable running from AVR to the display, HDMI1. 4:4:4 enable on the SC-95 and HDMI subsampling "on". Video Processing is "off" on the AVR.

I'm watching right now in about 30% ambient room light and it's looks great with backlight at 50 and gamma at 2.1. Your gamma setting is going to be model dependent and could very well be different from someone with a calibrated display. Backlight is ambient dependent and subjective as it is.

I have reservations about not having a discreet calibration bank for HDR10 (sharing the DV calibration tables). I am less concerned this am.
I posted calibration results using DV patterns with HDR 10 Calibration targets! Results are fantastic! If you have a sec to input my results and see what you think......I truly believe that we can use DV patterns for calibration and that is pretty much what Matt said also.

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Finally home and got a little sleep. My display updated while I was gone.

I popped the Revenant in the K8500 and boom.... HDR.

I'm not sure what's going on with others, but with my DV calibration table all the disks I've tried this am look great at gamma 2.1 (my calibration gamma) and backlight at a midpoint of 50 (variable to taste). I have NO black crush except something's messed up the the Life of Pi disk.

No banding. Tone mapping is outstanding. Skin-tones are great. The detail of the disks is noticeable over the streaming DV titles. (DV disks please).

My integration is K8500 single cable for audio and video into the Pioneer SC-95. 35ft BJC Series 1 cable running from AVR to the display, HDMI1. 4:4:4 enable on the SC-95 and HDMI subsampling "on". Video Processing is "off" on the AVR.

I'm watching right now in about 30% ambient room light and it's looks great with backlight at 50 and gamma at 2.1. Your gamma setting is going to be model dependent and could very well be different from someone with a calibrated display. Backlight is ambient dependent and subjective as it is.

I have reservations about not having a discreet calibration bank for HDR10 (sharing the DV calibration tables). I am less concerned this am.
What 4K discs have you tried? It seems some require a significant gamma adjustment (Watchmen comes to mind) while others are fine (Star Trek 1 and 2).
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What 4K discs have you tried? It seems some require a significant gamma adjustment (Watchmen comes to mind) while others are fine (Star Trek 1 and 2).
I have found with calibration that you don't want to raise gamma to 1.8.....instead you want to raise Backlight. With 100 backlight and 2.2 gamma you will get pretty close to the PQ Curve. Color at 63 gets the Color checker pretty close and gets close to P3.

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Finally home and got a little sleep. My display updated while I was gone.

I popped the Revenant in the K8500 and boom.... HDR.

I'm not sure what's going on with others, but with my DV calibration table all the disks I've tried this am look great at gamma 2.1 (my calibration gamma) and backlight at a midpoint of 50 (variable to taste). I have NO black crush except something's messed up the the Life of Pi disk.

No banding. Tone mapping is outstanding. Skin-tones are great. The detail of the disks is noticeable over the streaming DV titles. (DV disks please).

My integration is K8500 single cable for audio and video into the Pioneer SC-95. 35ft BJC Series 1 cable running from AVR to the display, HDMI1. 4:4:4 enable on the SC-95 and HDMI subsampling "on". Video Processing is "off" on the AVR.

I'm watching right now in about 30% ambient room light and it's looks great with backlight at 50 and gamma at 2.1. Your gamma setting is going to be model dependent and could very well be different from someone with a calibrated display. Backlight is ambient dependent and subjective as it is.

I have reservations about not having a discreet calibration bank for HDR10 (sharing the DV calibration tables). I am less concerned this am.
Hey Thomas, I mentioned yesterday it may be a good idea to add a link to Matt's comments page on post 1. He dropped some important info yesterday spanning a few posts, easy to overlook with the way this threads moves. Just an idea.
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I tried it last night with Marco Polo and the Adam Sandler movie and never got the HDR badge in the tablets system info. They both worked as DV when I streamed them to the cast screen.

Has anyone gotten HDR Netflix from the Shield yet, and if so could you share your settings? I'm running it at 4k @ 23.976 fps with 4:4:4 enabled. Successfully getting 24p from Netflix, VUDU, HBO and Showtime.

EDIT: Read where after enabling sub sampling on the HDMI port, reboot the Shield while it's called up on your screen/AVR/etc. Will report back findings shortly.
I believe I saw at the Shield forums, that you must be at 60Hz or 59.94Hz on the Shield to get HDR.
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I have found with calibration that you don't want to raise gamma to 1.8.....instead you want to raise Backlight. With 100 backlight and 2.2 gamma you will get pretty close to the PQ Curve. Color at 63 gets the Color checker pretty close and gets close to P3.

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I've been running my backlight at 85 on HDR10 films and still feel the need to raise gamma to 1.8. Granted, I'm using the default OOTB settings as my starting point (i.e. I haven't bothered calibrating with CalMAN yet).
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What 4K discs have you tried? It seems some require a significant gamma adjustment (Watchmen comes to mind) while others are fine (Star Trek 1 and 2).
I don't have the Watchmen disk.... Here's what I've tried so far:

The Martian: excellent
Deadpool: excellent (the scene after the Taxi ride looks outstanding)
The Revenant: beyond excellent
Star Trek II, excellent
Wild: excellent (serious tone mapping issues without HDR.. perfect with)
Sicario: excellent
Kingsmen: excellent (first rate!!)
Life of Pi: messed up
Mazerunner: great
Chappie: excellent
Exodus, God and Kings: Great
Salt: Excellent
Xmen: Excellent
Spiderman: Excellent
Expendables: meh
Mad Max: Great (looks better in DV). Needs a little more backlight than 50 in HDR10
Sicario: Excellent
Scorch Trials: Excellent (better than Maze Runner)
Enders Game: CGI is great. Some scenes a bit flat but overall good.

Wow, these disks have really come alive with the HDR10 update.

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I believe I saw at the Shield forums, that you must be at 60Hz or 59.97Hz on the Shield to get HDR.
Thanks I'll try it now.
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I've been running my backlight at 85 on HDR10 films and still feel the need to raise gamma to 1.8. Granted, I'm using the default OOTB settings as my starting point (i.e. I haven't bothered calibrating with CalMAN yet).
I just know when I did 1.8 gamma I got some wierd artifacts on certain things.....100 backlight along with color turned up to 63 get them pretty close to P3.....I have used CalMAN though and am going off of their calibration charts for HDR 10....

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Now the HDR isn't working.

Got the Samsung UHD player, set all the video on the player to "AUTO" and 4.4.4.

My Pioneer VSX-90 Receiver is set to 4.4.4

Have to turn HDMI Subsampling OFF on the TV in order to get a picture.

I am replacing my cables with new 18gb HDMI Certified ones Monday but the cables I currently have are all 4K rated.

Help?
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No update for me I'll try to manually update my TV today and see if I yield the same results. Too much excitement if this is all working now. 
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Hey Thomas, I mentioned yesterday it may be a good idea to add a link to Matt's comments page on post 1. He dropped some important info yesterday spanning a few posts, easy to overlook with the way this threads moves. Just an idea.
If you don't mind, send me the link to his post/posts you are referring to and I'll be glad to put them up on page 1.

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Now the HDR isn't working.

Got the Samsung UHD player, set all the video on the player to "AUTO" and 4.4.4.

My Pioneer VSX-90 Receiver is set to 4.4.4

Have to turn HDMI Subsampling OFF on the TV in order to get a picture.

I am replacing my cables with new 18gb HDMI Certified ones Monday but the cables I currently have are all 4K rated.

Help?
I'd put the player on 2160 instead of auto. The cables are CRITICAL. One thing I've encountered while cable shopping is an extreme attention to detail about the cable ends themselves. Even hi-end cables apparently have had their connectors upgraded recently. I'm using all BJC series FE certified for the component cables and a BJC series 1 for the main out to the display. Working flawlessly.
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I'd put the player on 2160 instead of auto. The cables are CRITICAL. One thing I've encountered while cable shopping is and extreme attention to detail about the cable ends themselves. Even hi-end cables apparently have had their connectors upgraded recently. I'm using all BJC series FE certified for the component cables and a BJC series 1 for the main out to the display. Working flawlessly.
When I went through my AVR also I got extreme color banding......it cleaned up when I went straight to the TV with the Vizio supplied cable.

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When I went through my AVR also I got extreme color banding......it cleaned up when I went straight to the TV with the Vizio supplied cable.

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I've got no banding on disks where I'd seen it in SDR. Spending some more time with the Kingsmen disk..... Wow. It looks so great!

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I've got no banding on disks where I'd seen it in SDR. Spending some more time with the Kingsmen disk..... Wow. It looks so great!
So you just use your stock DV settings? I found that they didn't translate too well.

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Now the HDR isn't working.



Got the Samsung UHD player, set all the video on the player to "AUTO" and 4.4.4.



My Pioneer VSX-90 Receiver is set to 4.4.4



Have to turn HDMI Subsampling OFF on the TV in order to get a picture.



I am replacing my cables with new 18gb HDMI Certified ones Monday but the cables I currently have are all 4K rated.



Help?


Since UHDBR is 4:2:0 is there a point in sending it 4:4:4? As Thomas has said cables can be critical. I would also try going directly from player to TV to see if that works.


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Just found something new.
You can now turn off the volume control display.
Interesting. This function is for the display....as a bit of exploring will show.
My AVR volume setting was displayed prior to update and now it is not....not that I mind. I did not change any settings in the AVR (Denon 2310).
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No luck on Netflix HDR via nVidia Shield, tried all the suggested settings.

However, I consider it a non issue right now because I can cast those same 2 titles in DV...and confirmed in 24p.
So I'm going back to 4k 24p 4:4:4 output on the Shield so I can stream Showtime and HBO at 24p.
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Since UHDBR is 4:2:0 is there a point in sending it 4:4:4? As Thomas has said cables can be critical. I would also try going directly from player to TV to see if that works.


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Yep I switched it back to 4.2.0, had to flip the HDMI SUBSAMPLING on and off and viola HDR. Waiting on the new cables Monday so I'll hook up the player to the TV and use the receiver for Arc audio only.
Toggling sub sampling to get HDR to work seems to be a rather consistent theme so far...had to do the same thing for a tile that wouldn't display at first.
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I have a Denon AVR-S710W and I'm seeing the same change in behavior.
I have had a similar change. Using Denon AVR-2310.
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So you just use your stock DV settings? I found that they didn't translate too well.

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I haven't put a meter back on the display but have checked the DV titles that I know "very well". My DV cal done prior to the firmware update still looks outstanding.

Yes, I'm using the DV calibrations settings unaltered. Gamma at 2.1 (my calibration gamma) but setting backlight at 50 in HDR10.

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Matt, what's the best way to submit feature requests to VIZIO? I think a number of us have indicated a desire for the P-series' OSD to display an icon of some sort (perhaps right next to the resolution box) when the display is in HDR mode.

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Mine shows when hdr is active on screen.. I didn't know if that was the tv doing it or my phillips player.
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I haven't put a meter back on the display but have checked the DV titles that I know "very well". My DV cal done prior to the firmware update still looks outstanding.

Yes, I'm using the DV calibrations settings unaltered. Gamma at 2.1 (my calibration gamma) but setting backlight at 50 in HDR10.
So maybe what I am doing is the wrong way.......because 50 Backlight with the HDR 10 patterns was below the eotf line and putting backlight to 100 fixed that.....

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Since UHDBR is 4:2:0 is there a point in sending it 4:4:4? As Thomas has said cables can be critical. I would also try going directly from player to TV to see if that works.


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It may not be but the K8500 needs you to set the player to YCbCr 4:4:4 to use YCbCr. If it subsamples at the TV, there's really no reporting of that in Vizio menus.

It might be interesting to set the player to "auto" for colorspace, an AVR to standard 4:2:0 and see what happens.
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