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I think the Cnet review is harsh. Not to rip on the P but to give the 8000 an entire star less is a little ridiculous for the following reasons..
1. The quality control on the p is far worse. No bleeding but more of everything else (dse, banding, etc)
2. The 55 is an ips panel, which is the size I bought.
3. The blacks are better on the p in a dark room, but not much of a difference otherwise and by all other accounts the visuals of the Sammy is superior.

My 55 ks8000 was only 100 more than the p. The Sony 930d ranges anywhere between 300 to 500 dollars more than the 8000. So it's not a fair comparison. 100 maybe even 200 bucks is one thing. Any more and your starting to compare apples to oranges. The 8000 is definitely better than the 850d which is really it's direct competitor. They go on to say that the 9000 is probably not much better without even reviewing it. It's almost like they have a grudge against Samsung. I understand the allure of the p... Dolby Vision, full array, etc. But in all honesty the the p and the 8000 should both probably be 4 stars imo obviously for different reasons.

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I'm talking about the actual holes on the TV that you insert the blades into. There are 4 holes in total, 2 inner and 2 outer. If one hole appears loose try the alternate insertion holes that he isn't using and see if it's a problem with the stands themselves or the actual tv holes


Really? The poor diagram did not shown alternate holes, and the Hisense seemed to have only one pair.

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Wow, I noticed the exact same thing two hours ago
I get about 120mbps wired, but the TV maxes out at about 35mbps through speedtest.net.
Yes, I noticed that too. However, I do get inconsistent reads based upon the test so it could be the nature of how the test is conducted. The one that was most favorable and didn't show any throttling was speedof.me - try it and let us know what you experience.

With normal usage, I only very occasionally notice that the TV is waiting to catch up on data.
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Anyone else notice this TV throttles your internet connection? I have my TV hardwired but when I check fast.com via the browser on the TV the highest it gets is 61mbps. When I connect a PC to that same cable, I get 170mbps. Any clue why? I tried messing around with DNS settings but that didn't make a difference. I checked speedtest.net via the browser and it gets a high of 21mbps.
I did a speed test. I got 135mbps via wired TV and 220mbps via wired PC. Mmm.
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I did a speed test. I got 135mps via wired TV and 220mmps via wired PC. Mmm.
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Wow, I noticed the exact same thing two hours ago
I get about 120mbps wired, but the TV maxes out at about 35mbps through speedtest.net.
I doubt the TV has as much processing power to obtain those speeds. Wired, my tv is slower than wireless. 28mbps wired and 55 mbps wireless.
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I doubt the TV has as much processing power to obtain those speeds. Wired, my tv is slower than wireless. 28mbps wired and 55 mbps wireless.


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Has anyone found a longer right angle C7 power cable for the KS8000? Wall mounting it's just too short to be useful.
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How do you turn off the Samsung logo light?
Off the top of my head, I believe its in system settings (or options) under lighting effects. There you can turn off the logo. That LED light always distracted me in Best Buy. The manager said you couldn't turn if off but i knew that had to be an option. My 3year old sharp panel had the option.
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I just got a surge protector with a 10-foot cord and mounted it on the wall behind the TV. Now I only have one cord hanging down from the TV instead of three (TV, Fire TV box, TiVo Mini).
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I think the Cnet review is harsh. Not to rip on the P but to give the 8000 an entire star less is a little ridiculous for the following reasons..
1. The quality control on the p is far worse. No bleeding but more of everything else (dse, banding, etc)
2. The 55 is an ips panel, which is the size I bought.
3. The blacks are better on the p in a dark room, but not much of a difference otherwise and by all other accounts the visuals of the Sammy is superior.

My 55 ks8000 was only 100 more than the p. The Sony 930d ranges anywhere between 300 to 500 dollars more than the 8000. So it's not a fair comparison. 100 maybe even 200 bucks is one thing. Any more and your starting to compare apples to oranges. The 8000 is definitely better than the 850d which is really it's direct competitor. They go on to say that the 9000 is probably not much better without even reviewing it. It's almost like they have a grudge against Samsung. I understand the allure of the p... Dolby Vision, full array, etc. But in all honesty the the p and the 8000 should both probably be 4 stars imo obviously for different reasons.


I'm in the same boat. Own P55 and KS8000 55". In my view, the KS is significantly better in every respect. The blacks are way blacker on the KS in every setting, including the pitch black. This is consistent with what other pro reviews say, and with the actual test results. There is a very slight glow on the upper black bar, but much less than on the P55 IPS in pitch black. Definitely does not impair the viewing experience. Finally, the light from the upper LED is most certainly not visible in normal viewing, and even when it is visible you REALLY have to look for it. I was considering the 930D but that set gets routinely panned, bent frames, bleed the whole gamut.
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If I'm not mistaken wxman123...don't you have the P55 and not the P65? At least that's what you posted in the P series thread.

Yup, read my posts on this thread. Getting hard to live with the P knowing the Sammy is superior, which it is in my opinion by a considerable margin. May well end up with two Sammys.... too bad BB just knocked out the $100 discount.
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I'm in the same boat. Own P55 and KS8000 55". In my view, the KS is significantly better in every respect. The blacks are way blacker on the KS in every setting, including the pitch black. This is consistent with what other pro reviews say, and with the actual test results. There is a very slight glow on the upper black bar, but much less than on the P55 IPS in pitch black. Definitely does not impair the viewing experience. Finally, the light from the upper LED is most certainly not visible in normal viewing, and even when it is visible you REALLY have to look for it. I was considering the 930D but that set gets routinely panned, bent frames, bleed the whole gamut.


The IPS panel has a native black level around .10 compared to .03 on the samsung, so the blacks will definitely look inkier on the samsung. In the 55s, the samsung would be the obvious choice. It gets trickier at the 65" range tho because the vizio has equal native blacks. Samsung has always had more pop and better processing, hasn't changed this year. Comes down to edge vs fald for alot of people.
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Waiting patiently for my 65" to be shipped and trying to get the room prepped at the moment. So do any of the owners have any suggestions for new owners when it comes to picture settings, mounting the television or anything else to keep an eye out for? I kind of want to get the wall mount up, but not sure if that is wise without having the television physically here. Been a while since I mounted one. Going to try and get some black out curtains and a media center of some sort to get my components hooked up to. I'm kind of kicking myself that I didn't have them throw in a HDMI cable when I ordered the television. I usually go that when I buy a new tv. Any recommendations on HDMI cables, media center and wireless headphones than isn't going to break the bank? Luckily I think my One comes with one, but might need another one if I decide to hook up a BD player other than the One. I'm going to try and hook up my receiver too. Really hoping the speakers carry me through until I can upgrade down the road. Debating on if I'm getting a long carpet or just make the rear speakers wireless. So can some of you guys post pics of your set up? I'd love some ideas.

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The IPS panel has a native black level around .10 compared to .03 on the samsung, so the blacks will definitely look inkier on the samsung. In the 55s, the samsung would be the obvious choice. It gets trickier at the 65" range tho because the vizio has equal native blacks. Samsung has always had more pop and better processing, hasn't changed this year. Comes down to edge vs fald for alot of people.

Do you know what the black level is for the Vizio VA panels? I thought the KS had them beat as well (at least in testing)? As to the FALD, yes, agree it's better in theory but isn't the final product what matters? To my eye the KS just looks better on all the stuff I've tested, including night and "space" scenes. I haven't seen the Vizio P non-VA in person, but I think the P55 is great in the daytime but yet not as good as the KS. The CNET review seems like an outlier to me.
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Waiting patiently for my 65" to be shipped and trying to get the room prepped at the moment. So do any of the owners have any suggestions for new owners when it comes to picture settings, mounting the television or anything else to keep an eye out for? I kind of want to get the wall mount up, but not sure if that is wise without having the television physically here. Been a while since I mounted one. Going to try and get some black out curtains and a media center of some sort to get my components hooked up to. I'm kind of kicking myself that I didn't have them throw in a HDMI cable when I ordered the television. I usually go that when I buy a new tv. Any recommendations on HDMI cables, media center and wireless headphones than isn't going to break the bank? Luckily I think my One comes with one, but might need another one if I decide to hook up a BD player other than the One. I'm going to try and hook up my receiver too. Really hoping the speakers carry me through until I can upgrade down the road. Debating on if I'm getting a long carpet or just make the rear speakers wireless. So can some of you guys post pics of your set up? I'd love some ideas.
If you are planning on mounting your TV, then I'd recommend getting these screws a head of time. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00917MSJE..._3T-GxbMZMJRP6

Or make sure your mount comes with screws this long. Mine didn't. M8, 45mm

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Has anyone found a longer right angle C7 power cable for the KS8000? Wall mounting it's just too short to be useful.

I have one these type of systems http://www.primuscable.com/store/p/6...FdRZhgodz9gKVQ

Might be better for you since these power cables are not rated for "in wall" use. Basically doesn't matter unless your house catches fire and the insurance inspector finds them and negates you insurance policy. Better safe than sorry!
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If you are planning on mounting your TV, then I'd recommend getting these screws a head of time. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00917MSJE..._3T-GxbMZMJRP6

Or make sure your mount comes with screws this long. Mine didn't.

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I agree, I bought mine at Home Depot, they had the allen key versions here in-stock cheap $1.84 for 2pack. I liked tightening with the allen key vs a screw driver.

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I agree, I bought mine at Home Depot, they had the allen key versions here in-stock cheap $1.84 for 2pack. I liked tightening with the allen key vs a screw driver.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-...3438/204281936
Those are actually what I ended up using because I didn't want to wait for my amazon package to get here. I now have both sets of screws. The Allen key screws are nice, but the screws from Amazon are more like the stock ones that come with most mounts.

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Waiting patiently for my 65" to be shipped and trying to get the room prepped at the moment. So do any of the owners have any suggestions for new owners when it comes to picture settings, mounting the television or anything else to keep an eye out for? I kind of want to get the wall mount up, but not sure if that is wise without having the television physically here. Been a while since I mounted one. Going to try and get some black out curtains and a media center of some sort to get my components hooked up to. I'm kind of kicking myself that I didn't have them throw in a HDMI cable when I ordered the television. I usually go that when I buy a new tv. Any recommendations on HDMI cables, media center and wireless headphones than isn't going to break the bank? Luckily I think my One comes with one, but might need another one if I decide to hook up a BD player other than the One. I'm going to try and hook up my receiver too. Really hoping the speakers carry me through until I can upgrade down the road. Debating on if I'm getting a long carpet or just make the rear speakers wireless. So can some of you guys post pics of your set up? I'd love some ideas.
Take a look at the rting review. I used their settings including the advanced color settings. This should be good for most movie and darker viewing. I am going to try and tweak the natural mode to be close to rtings movie settings but a bit brighter.
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Do you know what the black level is for the Vizio VA panels? I thought the KS had them beat as well (at least in testing)? As to the FALD, yes, agree it's better in theory but isn't the final product what matters? To my eye the KS just looks better on all the stuff I've tested, including night and "space" scenes. I haven't seen the Vizio P non-VA in person, but I think the P55 is great in the daytime but yet not as good as the KS. The CNET review seems like an outlier to me.

According to rtings, black levels measured almost exactly the same using their method of testing. Samsung tho has a glossy panel which gives more of a wet look. Also anti-glare filter on the panel affects how it looks too.
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According to rtings, black levels measured almost exactly the same using their method of testing. Samsung tho has a glossy panel which gives more of a wet look. Also anti-glare filter on the panel affects how it looks too.

The other suspect thing about the CNET review is that the KS had its back light set to 5. At that low level, my set is so dim that even the top edge glow, as minor an issue as that is at BL 13 (where I set it), is not an issue at all.
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I think the Cnet review is harsh. Not to rip on the P but to give the 8000 an entire star less is a little ridiculous for the following reasons..
1. The quality control on the p is far worse. No bleeding but more of everything else (dse, banding, etc)
2. The 55 is an ips panel, which is the size I bought.
3. The blacks are better on the p in a dark room, but not much of a difference otherwise and by all other accounts the visuals of the Sammy is superior.

My 55 ks8000 was only 100 more than the p. The Sony 930d ranges anywhere between 300 to 500 dollars more than the 8000. So it's not a fair comparison. 100 maybe even 200 bucks is one thing. Any more and your starting to compare apples to oranges. The 8000 is definitely better than the 850d which is really it's direct competitor. They go on to say that the 9000 is probably not much better without even reviewing it. It's almost like they have a grudge against Samsung. I understand the allure of the p... Dolby Vision, full array, etc. But in all honesty the the p and the 8000 should both probably be 4 stars imo obviously for different reasons.


I don't even bother with David Katz most of the time anymore, his reviews have gone downhill immensely in recent years and are always seeminngly biased /
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Can someone who owns this set explain the HDR+ mode to me? I messed around with a ks8000 at Best Buy and couldn't figure out this setting. The salesman was no help either. Is it for HDR content? Or is it an SDR to HDR conversion tool?
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Can someone who owns this set explain the HDR+ mode to me? I messed around with a ks8000 at Best Buy and couldn't figure out this setting. The salesman was no help either. Is it for HDR content? Or is it an SDR to HDR conversion tool?
It's a fake HDR mode you can apply to any picture mode. It is not real HDR and if you are playing a real HDR source and you want to see it in real HDR, don't set HDR+ as that will not engage real HDR. (For real HDR on this set you must start in Movie mode.)

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It's a fake HDR mode you can apply to any picture mode. It is not real HDR and if you are playing a real HDR source and you want to see it in real HDR, don't set HDR+ as that will not engage real HDR. (For real HDR on this set you must start in Movie mode.)
At the suggestion of others on this forum, I've found that I like the HDR+ setting on all the time except when watching HDR content. This is with the default picture settings right out of the box. Only thing that I've changed is the motion settings. So to me at least, it's a nice feature.
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It's a fake HDR mode you can apply to any picture mode. It is not real HDR and if you are playing a real HDR source and you want to see it in real HDR, don't set HDR+ as that will not engage real HDR. (For real HDR on this set you must start in Movie mode.)
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At the suggestion of others on this forum, I've found that I like the HDR+ setting on all the time except when watching HDR content. This is with the default picture settings right out of the box. Only thing that I've changed is the motion settings. So to me at least, it's a nice feature.
Thanks guys. I'm in a really tough spot. I own a Vizio p65 which I love, had it for 3 months issue free but over the past week 2 popped up. I had a screen tearing issue yesterday where half the tv was a weird colored snow like picture, and the other half was fine. The second issue is a yellow band down the middle that I hadn't noticed until I watched a black and white movie. I am out of my return window with Best Buy but Vizio is offering me a refund since they have a backlog I guess. I don't know if I want to just hang on and wait for Vizio to replace mine or take the refund and buy a 65ks8000. Anyone else been in this position?
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I am using the inner holes for the legs and I believe I have it on a stand that is 46" wide. The legs are right at the edge. I can measure when I get home if you need exact measurements.
Thank you for the reply. So there are two choices (4 holes/two pairs of holes) of placement for the stand into the TV? So you can have the legs spread out almost to the corners or closer together in the inner holes?

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for those of you guys interested in the new HDR+ feature, in a recent KS9800 review, they had some nice coverage of it including some very impressive before/after pictures.

i myself prefer to use HDR+ with native HDR content cause it magnifies the HDR just a tad with richer colors and a little bit more pop. samsung actually has a graph indicating that HDR+added to HDR is better than HDR by itself. of course they are touting their new feature, but i think they may be right.


http://televisions.reviewed.com/cont...ampaign=buffer


i also just added a few pictures i took from my cell phone over in the KS9800 thread showing the HDR+ on and off, and in my testings the SDR&HDR+ looks closer to the HDR picture than it does to the SDR picture.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...thread-12.html
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