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That does indeed depend on the source. There seems to be no "one-size-fits-all" picture mode. At the moment i use the following picture modes:

Movie for watching TV on my settopbox (basically my preferred option for all HDMI connected devices).
Standard for the internal apps (because of the 'backlight breathing' issue with HDR content while using Movie on internal apps, otherwise i would use Movie for this as well).
Game Mode for gaming (PS4/Nintendo Switch) and watching Blu-ray's on my PS4.

I've also entered all the values for HDR+ mode on all sources so that i can easily switch between modes, but don't seem to use HDR+ mode as much since 1233. The firmware update improved the color saturation on my set that i no longer feel the need to use it. HDR+ is now more like a 'party mode' which i occasionally use for certain content when i feel like it, or when friends come over (who are used to 'torch mode' on their own TV) for a game session or such [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
Agree with the improvements that came with 1233. Do not think they are placebo.

I have had an uneasy liking for HDR+. If it performed uniformally, I would stop playing with it. Depending on the characteristics of the film, it can look astonishingly good. Other times it just doesn't.

With Movie and Standard I generally find better uniformity.

On a hunch, I applied the TV SDR HDR+ White Balance and Color Space settings to Movie to see what might happen. Gamma set to -1.

So far I like the results with the White Balance settings. The Color Space settings are probably best left as is. Also experimented with the SDR White Balance Settings in HDR10 and it looks good too. Scenes from Aquaman somehow take on a 3D quality.
I agree.... Standard mode is much richer in color now.. There has been some positive picture tweaking for sure with this latest update.. I now find Natural picture mode to be just perfect for OTA and general tv watching. 😀🍿🍿🍿🍿
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I apologize if this is been asked before but the search seems to exclude the terms I'm trying as they are two common or short.

I'm curious if the HBO now app is slow to load in general on this TV or if it's possibly a problem with mine. I recently had to sign up as dish no longer has HBO and while I can open the app quickly program info is often blank and thumbnails are empty for a few minutes.
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I have the NASA HDR10+ sample clip on my hard drive,when playing the clip I get the HDR tag on my 78'' ks9800,the question :does that mean that KS models can now play HDR10+ over HDMI,or it's just downgrading it to HDR10 only?
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I have the NASA HDR10+ sample clip on my hard drive,when playing the clip I get the HDR tag on my 78'' ks9800,the question :does that mean that KS models can now play HDR10+ over HDMI,or it's just downgrading it to HDR10 only?
That would be fantastic.

What does the tag look like?

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That would be fantastic.

What does the tag look like?
just the normal one you see when playing HDR, and you press the info button.
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just the normal one you see when playing HDR, and you press the info button.
I don't have a device that is capable of displaying HDR10+ via HDMI or else I'd check this out. I think we mostly gave up on this but we also gave up on getting HLG over HDMI for a long time. I don't think Samsung has said anything about that either. The difference could just be that proving HLG is easy and HDR10+ isn't.

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I don't have a device that is capable of displaying HDR10+ via HDMI or else I'd check this out. I think we mostly gave up on this but we also gave up on getting HLG over HDMI for a long time. I don't think Samsung has said anything about that either. The difference could just be that proving HLG is easy and HDR10+ isn't.
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It look's it's downgraded to HDR10,here's the file info.

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I think you are correct about it just being output as HDR10. I think Color Primaries would show ST 2094-40 instead of BT.2020.

Somebody let me know if this is not correct please.

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I think you are correct about it just being output as HDR10. I think Color Primaries would show ST 2094-40 instead of BT.2020.

Somebody let me know if this is not correct please.
I downloaded three of the re encoded NASA files files - HDR10, HDR10+ and HLG. The HDR10 and HDR10+ both displayed in HDR on my KS8000 but the HLG was plain SDR. I have the latest firmware and have played HLG over HDMI from the BBC iPlayer so I know it works.

Looking at the files using mediainfo (latest version)the HDR10 file has the line

HDR Format: SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 Compatible

and the HDR10+ file has the line

HDR Format: SMPTE ST 2094 App 4, Version 0

From what I read those are correct. Does that mean the TV can display HDR10+ or is it just playing the underlying static HDR10?
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Does anyone know if Samsung is planning an evolution kit? The curent hub is so underpowered.
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Does anyone know if Samsung is planning an evolution kit? The curent hub is so underpowered.
Unlikely...don't wait for it
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I downloaded three of the re encoded NASA files files - HDR10, HDR10+ and HLG. The HDR10 and HDR10+ both displayed in HDR on my KS8000 but the HLG was plain SDR. I have the latest firmware and have played HLG over HDMI from the BBC iPlayer so I know it works.

Looking at the files using mediainfo (latest version)the HDR10 file has the line

HDR Format: SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 Compatible

and the HDR10+ file has the line

HDR Format: SMPTE ST 2094 App 4, Version 0

From what I read those are correct. Does that mean the TV can display HDR10+ or is it just playing the underlying static HDR10?
Input vs output?

Can you see any differences in the actual viewing?

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He is on v1239,so what ever he come's with may not be applicable on those with v1233!
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I don't have a device that is capable of displaying HDR10+ via HDMI or else I'd check this out. I think we mostly gave up on this but we also gave up on getting HLG over HDMI for a long time. I don't think Samsung has said anything about that either. The difference could just be that proving HLG is easy and HDR10+ isn't.
And how is the HLG simply demonstrated?
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Input vs output?

Can you see any differences in the actual viewing?
The output of the two HDR files look identical to me. Odd that the HLG does not work as I re confirmed HLG works over HDMI by playing the BBC iPlayer test HLG UHD loop from my HDMI connected Virgin Media V6 cable box.


Playing the files via my Zidoo Z9S I get the following

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HDR & HDR10+
Output mode: 3840x2160 @ 24Hz YUV4444 10 Bits BT2020

Pioneer amp info
4K(3840x2160) 24 Hz YCbCr444 30bit

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Output mode: 3840x2160 @ 24Hz YUV4444 10 Bits ITU 709

Pioneer amp info
4K(3840x2160) 24 Hz YCbCr444 30bit
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And how is the HLG simply demonstrated?
Just that before if the signal was HLG and you couldn't get it you would not see the settings changes from SDR to HDR.

But, that said, there was still an issue if it was true HLG or not.

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The output of the two HDR files look identical to me. Odd that the HLG does not work as I re confirmed HLG works over HDMI by playing the BBC iPlayer test HLG UHD loop from my HDMI connected Virgin Media V6 cable box.


Playing the files via my Zidoo Z9S I get the following

Zidoo

HDR & HDR10+
Output mode: 3840x2160 @ 24Hz YUV4444 10 Bits BT2020

Pioneer amp info
4K(3840x2160) 24 Hz YCbCr444 30bit

HLG
Output mode: 3840x2160 @ 24Hz YUV4444 10 Bits ITU 709

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If I am reading that correctly the output for HDR & HDR10+ at BT2020 would indicate that it is still static HDR10 on output and not HDR10+.

It also looks like although you are seeing HLG it is at the 709 SDR color space so not true HLG.

I don't know enough to say anything conclusively though. And would welcome correction if I am wrong.

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If I am reading that correctly the output for HDR & HDR10+ at BT2020 would indicate that it is still static HDR10 on output and not HDR10+.

It also looks like although you are seeing HLG it is at the 709 SDR color space so not true HLG.

I don't know enough to say anything conclusively though. And would welcome correction if I am wrong.
Looking at mediainfo on the HLG file it has

Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : HLG


but playing the file using a Dune and a Zidoo player neither display HLG HDR.

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If I am reading that correctly the output for HDR & HDR10+ at BT2020 would indicate that it is still static HDR10 on output and not HDR10+.

It also looks like although you are seeing HLG it is at the 709 SDR color space so not true HLG.

I don't know enough to say anything conclusively though. And would welcome correction if I am wrong.
In fact I have a Samsung S10 phone which can shoot video in HDR10+. I shot a couple of short videos and played back on my TV and HDR kicks in. Again mediainfo shows correct HDR10+ profile

HDR format : SMPTE ST 2094 App 4, Version 0

So looks as if our KS TV's will play HDR10+ video in HDR but I can't tell if its dynamic or just HDR10 basic!

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In fact I have a Samsung S10 phone which can shoot video in HDR10+. I shot a couple of short videos and played back on my TV and HDR kicks in. Again mediainfo shows correct HDR10+ profile

HDR format : SMPTE ST 2094 App 4, Version 0

So looks as if our KS TV's will play HDR10+ video in HDR but I can't tell if its dynamic or just HDR10 basic!
mediainfo if I can recall gives you information about the file recorded,not the file being played!

if you can play the file using potplayer,go to playback/System info and see what the file being output as,this way you can distinguish whither it was played as static hdr or hdr10+.
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I am having a problem with this set where I see backlight streaks appearing at the bottom of the screen, it is mostly apparent with a lighter coloured background. I had the same problem with the ks7000. Is this normal, or common because it is a edge lit tv. Would a full array led have the same issue? It is distracting enough to make me want to change the tv.
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mediainfo if I can recall gives you information about the file recorded,not the file being played!

if you can play the file using potplayer,go to playback/System info and see what the file being output as,this way you can distinguish whither it was played as static hdr or hdr10+.
Sorry not sure how that would help. Potplayer is a windows media player so what info would it give me that would help determine if my KS TV was displaying HDR10+ or HDR10?

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Sorry not sure how that would help. Potplayer is a windows media player so what info would it give me that would help determine if my KS TV was displaying HDR10+ or HDR10?
it will give you information of the output format the file being played,just like the one in post##36007
when playing HDR10+ and your TV shows HDR,you can't really distinguish what type of hdr,playing the file with potplayer will tell if HDR10+ over HDMI is possible or not.
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The 2016 TVs don't support HDR10+ and they never will. HDR10+ content will always display as static HDR10 on non-HDR10+ TVs. That's the point of the format - it's entirely backwards compatible with HDR10.
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The 2016 TVs don't support HDR10+ and they never will. HDR10+ content will always display as static HDR10 on non-HDR10+ TVs. That's the point of the format - it's entirely backwards compatible with HDR10.
I agree, it's not looking good now.... At one point, years ago.. This use to read 2016 and up, and now it reads 2017 and up.. The 2016 KS models are more than capable of handling a HDR10+ update via firmware;

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The 2016 TVs don't support HDR10+ and they never will. HDR10+ content will always display as static HDR10 on non-HDR10+ TVs. That's the point of the format - it's entirely backwards compatible with HDR10.
Until recently I had given up on HLG over HDMI on these TV's. Now it works. It looks great on Directv. If, by some miracle, HDR10+ ever appears we probably will never know. The one thing I am certain of is that Samsung won't tell us.
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Until recently I had given up on HLG over HDMI on these TV's. Now it works. It looks great on Directv. If, by some miracle, HDR10+ ever appears we probably will never know. The one thing I am certain of is that Samsung won't tell us.
Samsung is very poor on release notes and it has continued into their 2019 models.Last Firmware Version Ever.pdf
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Sent my tv in to get the broken lcd panel repaired and it came back with a hole in the back, sent it back in and now the back is loose on one side. Curry's said that they will likely offer me a similar spec TV if they cant fix it , can anyone in here suggest a TV or had dealings with Team Knowhow?
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post #36029 of 37148 Old 05-07-2019, 12:15 PM
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Sent my tv in to get the broken lcd panel repaired and it came back with a hole in the back, sent it back in and now the back is loose on one side. Curry's said that they will likely offer me a similar spec TV if they cant fix it , can anyone in here suggest a TV or had dealings with Team Knowhow?
If by "similar spec" they mean "edge-lit", then the obvious choice would be the Q67R series. But I would suggest you ask for the Q70R series...just to see how sorry they are that they've destroyed your TV.
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Sent my tv in to get the broken lcd panel repaired and it came back with a hole in the back, sent it back in and now the back is loose on one side. Curry's said that they will likely offer me a similar spec TV if they cant fix it , can anyone in here suggest a TV or had dealings with Team Knowhow?
IMO... Considering this is the KS8000/KS8500 thread I'm guessing you have a 8xxxx series Samsung... You should go for the Q8fn or a Q80 regardless of backlight improvements (which you should not even be mentioning to them)... An 8 series for an 8 series nuf said.. lol 🙂

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