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And good news that those in Europe that jumped to 1239 can now go to 1240 and gain any improvements they missed out on.
It wouldn't surprise me if that's the only reason 1240 was released.
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I can now watch my Direct TV 4k channels in hdr thanks to the new update. Watching the U.S. Open in HDR UHD right now. No HDR +
That's not new to this recent update.
Hmmmm idk what you mean but there is obviously hlg support now.
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Hmmmm idk what you mean but there is obviously hlg support now.
What I mean is, HLG via HDMI was added a few updates ago. It's not new.

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Hmmmm idk what you mean but there is obviously hlg support now.
What I mean is, HLG via HDMI was added a few updates ago. It's not new.
O okay gotcha. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Probably totally placebo effect but I think I see level of black improvements.



And good news that those in Europe that jumped to 1239 can now go to 1240 and gain any improvements they missed out on.


Yep just did an HDR run of guardians of the galaxy 2.

Black levels have eased and less blooming in HDR

Color me surprised


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We will never know as Samsung doesn't make the info publically available. It is encouraging that they continue to support a three year old TV!
Yeah, wow! They even released HDR support in Game mode after 2 years! Something that should work from beginning. Probably a lot of people sold the TV in the meantime. But who cares. 20 years support for every TV. 10 years of waiting for DTS/Dolby support! Another 10 years for a proper HDMI CEC implementation.
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KS9800 here.
I have no Idea,but playing NASA HDR10+ clip seems to be working different than it was with 1233 update

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with HDR10 only,I never get the SMPTE ST 2094!
could anyone with 1233 confirm that.
make sure your HDMI cable is at least 2.0b certified
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Yep just did an HDR run of guardians of the galaxy 2.

Black levels have eased and less blooming in HDR

Color me surprised


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Watching on the built in Amazon app HBO GoT: The Long Night was a mess before. It does look better. At 21:45 the scenes in a blizzard where the dragons collide look cleaner. The crypt scenes also.
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Probably totally placebo effect but I think I see level of black improvements.

And good news that those in Europe that jumped to 1239 can now go to 1240 and gain any improvements they missed out on.
I've been on 1239 since November, now on 1240 but can't see any difference. Then again I never noticed anything from one release to another!
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Anybody with 1240 tested if the Movie Blacklight Pulsing bug is still present?
This shows up while watching HDR content via the internal apps while using picture mode "Movie".
Going to install 1240 myself later today.
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KS9800 here.

I have no Idea,but playing NASA HDR10+ clip seems to be working different than it was with 1233 update



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with HDR10 only,I never get the SMPTE ST 2094!

could anyone with 1233 confirm that.

make sure your HDMI cable is at least 2.0b certified


Wait which HDMI connection is 2.0b???


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I mean HDMI cable ver.2.0b
I did run this clip on my PC using potplayer,same clip with update v.1233 didn't show the same file information,didn't show this:

HDR format : SMPTE ST 2094 App 4
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I mean HDMI cable ver.2.0b
I did run this clip on my PC using potplayer,same clip with update v.1233 didn't show the same file information,didn't show this:

HDR format : SMPTE ST 2094 App 4
Does this just mean the source material or what is actually being output with 1240?

If ST 2094 did not show prior to 1240 and does now this really needs to be verified. Wish I had the equipment.

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Does this just mean the source material or what is actually being output with 1240?

If ST 2094 did not show prior to 1240 and does now this really needs to be verified. Wish I had the equipment.
no,it didn't show,at least not with me playing the very same clip with the same player,here is the info file that I have posted sometime ago,read post #36007 , and post #36009 by blenky

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post58007544

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In fact I have a Samsung S10 phone which can shoot video in HDR10+. I shot a couple of short videos and played back on my TV and HDR kicks in. Again mediainfo shows correct HDR10+ profile

HDR format : SMPTE ST 2094 App 4, Version 0

So looks as if our KS TV's will play HDR10+ video in HDR but I can't tell if its dynamic or just HDR10 basic!
keep in mind that media info by blenky is for the file recorded,not the file being played.
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I mean HDMI cable ver.2.0b
I thought HDMI cables were no longer labeled that way?
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I thought HDMI cables were no longer labeled that way?

That is correct. Instead they are now labeled for speed. 18 Gbps is required for 4K HDR (all variations of HDMI 2.0). 48 Gbps will be required for HDMI 2.1 8K signal. Some older cables may be capable of attaining the speed necessary for HDMI 2.0 such as the older premium with Ethernet, but newer cables will actually be rated for their speed.


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I thought HDMI cables were no longer labeled that way?
regardless of classification,this won't do the the magic and make it compatible with HDR10+ when buying a 2.0 cable that used to be classified 2.0a,it should be 2.0b cable,retailers still use this classification in the product description.
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regardless of classification,this won't do the the magic and make it compatible with HDR10+ when buying a 2.0 cable that used to be classified 2.0a,it should be 2.0b cable,retailers still use this classification in the product description.


Actually, No. Only HDMI 2.1 will require new cables. HDMI 2.0a/b does not and works with HDMI 2.0 cables. Also 2017 sets were already updated to support HDR10+. 2016 sets were unfortunately left out despite promises by Samsung to support it.

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/what-is-hdmi-2-0b/


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Actually, No. Only HDMI 2.1 will require new cables. HDMI 2.0a/b does not and works with HDMI 2.0 cables. Also 2017 sets were already updated to support HDR10+. 2016 sets were unfortunately left out despite promises by Samsung to support it.

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https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...ow-news-specs/

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HDR10+ is expected to be able to work over the current HDMI 2.0 spec thanks to a process called "Infoframe," allowing for the addition of 24KB of metadata. Samsung already has the process working, but the method is still being finalized and is pending approval from the company's partners.
https://alliance.experienceuhd.com/news/what-hdr10

will the chip be updated?
can the chip be updated?
is Samsung willing to update the chip if chip capable?or will not do it for marketing reasons ?
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I just ordered this one from Amazon. It also doesn't have voice control, so won't be annoyed anymore. As soon as I inserted the batteries the controller worked nothing to do.

Search this in Amazon - New BN59-01241A Replaced Remote fit

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There are loads of videos on YT showing how to clean the underside of the buttons, I did this and only once did it get my remote working. The problem arises when the electrical connective layer wears off the rubber buttons on the underside. The very best solution is to use a hole-punch and punch out little discs of strong aluminium, kitchen foil, then with a little dexterity, superglue the disc to the underside of the button/s that are not working, reassemble and use. I swear this will save you from buying any more replacement remotes and adding to the plastic landfill. I have, to date, fixed 4 different remotes and I'm kicking myself for ever throwing out any old, unresponsive remotes in the past.

The only fiddly bit is opening the remote (I used a couple of strong bladed, table knives), but after doing this several times now, I can say it's not a problem.

See the video below as a guide. Next time I have an unresponsive button I'll make a video. Best of luck. Cris.


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Thanks, for some reason I thought the replacement cost 100$. Will try to fix it myself, otherwise 9.99$ is not too bad for a replacement Don't need a harmony though, I have only this set in the house to control.

Another thing I noticed today, not sure if it's my TV giving up slowly or the Youtube app, but whenever I try to type/search something in youtube, the samsung own keyboard layout keeps popping up and disappearing altogether all the time, anyone else?
Yep, definitely on the youtube backspacing keyboard thing, I've seen it. So odd. I guess YouTube has to update their app? or firmware related?

Update: Installed 1240, youtube backspace/samsung keyboard still a thing unfortunately.

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still very confusing!
https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...ow-news-specs/

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https://alliance.experienceuhd.com/news/what-hdr10

will the chip be updated?
can the chip be updated?
is Samsung willing to update the chip if chip capable?or will not do it for marketing reasons ?
Agreed. These are really just data cables and throughput is all that matters. The chipset that processes the data can likely be updated, the question is whether the manufacturer wants to and the cost involved. I understand older hardware that isn't capable of the faster speeds required for HDMI 2.1 (48Gbps connection), but since HDMI 2.0 a / b both require the same throughput as HDMI 2.0, I would think the only reason a legacy device wouldn't be updated is that the cost to update it outweighs the benefit. It also seems some manufacturers have been better about providing firmware updates than others. It was thought because of an announcement that Samsung made, HDR10+ would be added to 2016 sets. Yet, in this article, they state HDR10+ is supported on sets from 2017 and newer.

https://www.samsung.com/us/support/answer/ANS00078565/

We don't know what the engineering effort is and how much code would have to be refactored to support something that was already written for newer hardware on older hardware. For instance, Sony provided a firmware update for the 2017 STRDN1080 to add eArc (similar in cost to a Denon X1500). Denon on the other hand, released new 2019 models that support eArc but only updated higher end 2018 models (X3500 and above). Meanwhile, I read somewhere that Samsung stated that they don't have eArc in their 2019 TVs because streaming content is typically sent over Arc and Atmos metadata can be sent compressed over regular Arc whereas their users interested in uncompressed audio typically connect those devices directly to a receiver. Right now streaming services don't send uncompressed Atmos, however, when they do will Samsung provide a firmware update to support eArc considering older receivers have received such firmware updates?
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Anyone have Apple TV4K with a KS8000?

I have one, and no matter what HDMI cable I have used, its HDMI connection check only results in "Your HDMI connection is looking better." A possible result is "Your HDMI connection is good" but I have never been able to get that result and I tried other cables. Note, I have no issues - no sparkles nor blackouts. I just wonder why it does not state good. I have tried directly hooking it up to my TV with a 3 foot run versus going through my AVR. Same result. Perhaps it is the One-Connect. Perhaps the One Connect design will not send back the confirmation the Apple TV's HDMI connection tests sends.

Anyone got a good result on the HDMI connection check on a Apple TV 4K unit with a KS8000?
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Anyone have Apple TV4K with a KS8000?

I have one, and no matter what HDMI cable I have used, its HDMI connection check only results in "Your HDMI connection is looking better" not that one stating the connection is good. I have no issues - no sparkles nor blackouts. I just wonder why it does not state good. I have tried directly hooking it up to my TV with a 3 foot run versus going through my AVR. Same result. Perhaps it is the One-Connect. Anyone got a good result on the HDMI connection check on a Apple TV 4K unit with a KS8000?
I have an AppleTV 4K and a KS8000. Have seen no issues with 4K HDR content from both iTunes and Netflix. When I've run that check its told me my HDMI connection is looking good and that it will continue to monitor the connection and notify me if it detects any issues (which it never has). Honestly, I wouldn't worry about it though if you're not having any issues. I think that feature is meant for troubleshooting assistance. I only tried it out for curiosity's sake.
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I have an AppleTV 4K and a KS8000. Have seen no issues with 4K HDR content from both iTunes and Netflix. When I've run that check its told me my HDMI connection is looking good and that it will continue to monitor the connection and notify me if it detects any issues (which it never has). Honestly, I wouldn't worry about it though if you're not having any issues. I think that feature is meant for troubleshooting assistance. I only tried it out for curiosity's sake.
Thanks for confirming. I suspect it might be the One Connect.
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Thanks for confirming. I suspect it might be the One Connect.

No problem. Ran it again just now to confirm. It says “Your connection looks good” and then something about we will continue to monitor it. I have the ATV4K connected through my receiver to HDMI 4 on the one connect. I have HDMI UHD Color enabled for that port on the TV (and enhanced mode enabled on my receiver for the port it is connected to there).
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No problem. Ran it again just now to confirm. It says “Your connection looks good” and then something about we will continue to monitor it. I have the ATV4K connected through my receiver to HDMI 4 on the one connect. I have HDMI UHD Color enabled for that port on the TV (and enhanced mode enabled on my receiver for the port it is connected to there).
Thanks so it is not the One Connect.
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No problem. Ran it again just now to confirm. It says “Your connection looks good” and then something about we will continue to monitor it. I have the ATV4K connected through my receiver to HDMI 4 on the one connect. I have HDMI UHD Color enabled for that port on the TV (and enhanced mode enabled on my receiver for the port it is connected to there).
What HDMI cable are using? and length of each in the series from ATV to AVR to TV?
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What HDMI cable are using? and length of each in the series from ATV to AVR to TV?


Using a 4ft cable to the receiver. Have a 12 ft cable from the receiver to the one connect. Both cables are 18 Gbps rated. Apparently Apple recommends a Belkin hdmi 2.1 48 Gbps cable but I’m not using that. Do you have HDMI UHD Color enabled for whatever port you’re using?

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Using a 4ft cable to the receiver. Have a 12 ft cable from the receiver to the one connect. Both cables are 18 Gbps rated. Apparently Apple recommends a Belkin hdmi 2.1 48 Gbps cable but I’m not using that. Do you have HDMI UHD Color enabled for whatever port you’re using?
Yes I have them enabled.
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