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Upgraded to new Firmware. i am now seeing a Samsung TV+ app on my list of apps and it has come front and center in my access bar.

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Just seen this news about some Samsung sets going to stop playing the Netflix app next month, but no details of which models will stop working, we all know about Samsung and their desire to nobble their TVs to get us to everyone to buy new sets every 2-3 years... Of course you can continue to watch using a Roku, but then again Many Roku boxes will also no longer have the Netflix app too.
https://www.sfgate.com/tv/article/ne...e-14814545.php


https://www.cnet.com/news/netflix-wi...s-in-december/

Well, in other news.
The Disney+ app just got released on my TV today. Samsung confirms that it's only availlable on Samsung TV's from 2016 and later.
(I live in the Netherlands.)


But it does not support 4K or HDR. Just 1080P at max...
More info: https://help.disneyplus.com/hc/nl/articles/360034925812
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Anyone have the LG UBK90 4k Player? Does it work fine on the KS8000- HDR, no suttering, etc?
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Just seen this news about some Samsung sets going to stop playing the Netflix app next month, but no details of which models will stop working, we all know about Samsung and their desire to nobble their TVs to get us to everyone to buy new sets every 2-3 years... Of course you can continue to watch using a Roku, but then again Many Roku boxes will also no longer have the Netflix app too.
https://www.sfgate.com/tv/article/ne...e-14814545.php


https://www.cnet.com/news/netflix-wi...s-in-december/

Looks like we'll be fine

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Some of our older TV's (2010 and 2011 models, with C or D after the screen size in the model code) will no longer support Netflix directly beginning December 1st, 2019
Source: https://www.samsung.com/us/support/t...g/TSG01203568/
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Just seen this news about some Samsung sets going to stop playing the Netflix app next month, but no details of which models will stop working, we all know about Samsung and their desire to nobble their TVs to get us to everyone to buy new sets every 2-3 years... Of course you can continue to watch using a Roku, but then again Many Roku boxes will also no longer have the Netflix app too.
https://www.sfgate.com/tv/article/ne...e-14814545.php


https://www.cnet.com/news/netflix-wi...s-in-december/
Some older Panny Blu-Ray players like the one in my living room have already had this happen as of this past September. And YouTube went South on those same players early last year. Codecs change,and some need newer hardware.

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I have a ShieldTV and now just bought a sony x700 4k player. Do you guys stream digital via the native apps on the kS8000 or prefer another device? Do you notice a difference?
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I have a ShieldTV and now just bought a sony x700 4k player. Do you guys stream digital via the native apps on the kS8000 or prefer another device? Do you notice a difference?
I do both.

This will be limited to the devices that I have.

PQ on native apps generally is best (except Vudu). The catch is that audio is limited to DD. I find PQ on Fire TV 4k to be close or equal to the native apps and like getting DD+. Roku 4k stick is best for Vudu because it enables a version of Atmos (but DD+ so it still is lossy not lossless).

The source material determines if I use the native app sometimes and that is dependent usually on the audio track.

I don't think there is a better source than the native app for YouTube.
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I do both.

This will be limited to the devices that I have.

PQ on native apps generally is best (except Vudu). The catch is that audio is limited to DD. I find PQ on Fire TV 4k to be close or equal to the native apps and like getting DD+. Roku 4k stick is best for Vudu because it enables a version of Atmos (but DD+ so it still is lossy not lossless).

The source material determines if I use the native app sometimes and that is dependent usually on the audio track.

I don't think there is a better source than the native app for YouTube.
It's a combination of A/V features and ease of use. For my part:

Xbox One X = Dolby Atmos support for UHD discs, Netflix, and Vudu (in addition to 4K HDR, obviously).
PS4 Pro = Collecting 4K dust.
Fire TV 4K = Atmos support in Amazon Prime Video, DD+ in others; also simple to use.
Apple TV 1080p = Collecting 1080p dust.
SNES Classic Mini = Collecting 16-bit dust (but god I love that little thing).

I used the native apps 100% when the set first came out. My old AVR couldn't pass the proper a/v signals. Once a I got my Yamaha RX-781 in early 2017, everything went back to "normal" (i.e., through the receiver).

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Long time lurker here...I own a 55KS8000 currently on 1241.5. Gigantic sports fan and use the TV primarily for that. Can someone advise me on best picture settings sports (football). Right now I toggle between the YouTubeTV app on the TV and YouTubeTV or FuboTV via Roku Ultra. Using 1G streaming. Current picture setting which displays a pretty awesome picture is HDR+, BL 20, Bright 45, Contract 100, Sharp 50, Color 50, G50/R50, DCV Auto, AMP Auto, SLED High, HBL Low, DC Med, CT Warm2, Gamma 0, RGB Off, and CS Native. #AlwaysLookingForImprovements
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If anyone uses the inbuilt TV recording feature is there a shortcut to get to the Schedule Manager? The only way I can get to it is to bring up the TV guide and click the info button while over a programme. This brings up a context menu with one of the choices being 'Schedule Manger'. I thought there would be an quicker way?

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Long time lurker here...I own a 55KS8000 currently on 1241.5. Gigantic sports fan and use the TV primarily for that. Can someone advise me on best picture settings sports (football). Right now I toggle between the YouTubeTV app on the TV and YouTubeTV or FuboTV via Roku Ultra. Using 1G streaming. Current picture setting which displays a pretty awesome picture is HDR+, BL 20, Bright 45, Contract 100, Sharp 50, Color 50, G50/R50, DCV Auto, AMP Auto, SLED High, HBL Low, DC Med, CT Warm2, Gamma 0, RGB Off, and CS Native. #AlwaysLookingForImprovements
All a matter of taste but I would dial down the backlight to about 12, turn sharpness down to 15, DVC off, AMP off or custom,

My current setting for HDR+ are

BL - 12
Brightness 44
Contrast 89
Sharpness 15
Colour 48
DCV off
AMP - custom - Blur 5, Judder 5 (LED Clear Motion - off)
S LED - High
HDMI black level - normal
DC = off
Colour Tone = warm2
Colour space - native

But at the end of the day its what suits!
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Long time lurker here...I own a 55KS8000 currently on 1241.5. Gigantic sports fan and use the TV primarily for that. Can someone advise me on best picture settings sports (football). Right now I toggle between the YouTubeTV app on the TV and YouTubeTV or FuboTV via Roku Ultra. Using 1G streaming. Current picture setting which displays a pretty awesome picture is HDR+, BL 20, Bright 45, Contract 100, Sharp 50, Color 50, G50/R50, DCV Auto, AMP Auto, SLED High, HBL Low, DC Med, CT Warm2, Gamma 0, RGB Off, and CS Native. #AlwaysLookingForImprovements
All a matter of taste but I would dial down the backlight to about 12, turn sharpness down to 15, DVC off, AMP off or custom,

My current setting for HDR+ are

BL - 12
Brightness 44
Contrast 89
Sharpness 15
Colour 48
DCV off
AMP - custom - Blur 5, Judder 5 (LED Clear Motion - off)
S LED - High
HDMI black level - normal
DC = off
Colour Tone = warm2
Colour space - native

But at the end of the day its what suits!
Thanks man...I will give these settings a try. I guess the point of my question was "should there be different picture setting and visual expectations if I am using the Samsung YouTubeTV app or YouTubeTV via Roku Ultra?
Also - I have seen these promos about specific NFL and NCAAF games being displayed in HDR.
Do I need to make any changes on my end to maximize the experience?
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Thanks man...I will give these settings a try. I guess the point of my question was "should there be different picture setting and visual expectations if I am using the Samsung YouTubeTV app or YouTubeTV via Roku Ultra?
Also - I have seen these promos about specific NFL and NCAAF games being displayed in HDR.
Do I need to make any changes on my end to maximize the experience?
I don't think you will get HLG flavour of HDR on the Roku YouTube app whereas you do on the TV app.

If you watch a sports (or anything) in HDR the TV will automatically adjust the settings to ones that are applicable to HDR. Make sure you are using Movie or Standard picture mode.

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Thanks man...I will give these settings a try. I guess the point of my question was "should there be different picture setting and visual expectations if I am using the Samsung YouTubeTV app or YouTubeTV via Roku Ultra?
Also - I have seen these promos about specific NFL and NCAAF games being displayed in HDR.
Do I need to make any changes on my end to maximize the experience?
I don't think you will get HLG flavour of HDR on the Roku YouTube app whereas you do on the TV app.

If you watch a sports (or anything) in HDR the TV will automatically adjust the settings to ones that are applicable to HDR. Make sure you are using Movie or Standard picture mode.
Quick feedback: you settings your provided me dont seem correct. TV becomes darker and colors look odd (Editorial: I am color blind so it could be me.) Also, HDMI Black Level is greyed out for me in HDR+.

Finally, I dont understand your last comment: "Make sure you are using Movie or Standard picture mode." ?????? How would I do that when I am choosing HDR+ mode?
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Quick feedback: you settings your provided me dont seem correct. TV becomes darker and colors look odd (Editorial: I am color blind so it could be me.) Also, HDMI Black Level is greyed out for me in HDR+.

Finally, I dont understand your last comment: "Make sure you are using Movie or Standard picture mode." ?????? How would I do that when I am choosing HDR+ mode?
It will be a little darker as my settings have a much lower backlight. However your eyes will adjust.

The comment about Movie and Standard mode apples when watching HDR material and not when setting the HDR+ mode.

Take a look at the PDF file attached to the very post in this thread. That may help.
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Quick feedback: you settings your provided me dont seem correct. TV becomes darker and colors look odd (Editorial: I am color blind so it could be me.) Also, HDMI Black Level is greyed out for me in HDR+.

Finally, I dont understand your last comment: "Make sure you are using Movie or Standard picture mode." ?????? How would I do that when I am choosing HDR+ mode?
It will be a little darker as my settings have a much lower backlight. However your eyes will adjust.

The comment about Movie and Standard mode apples when watching HDR material and not when setting the HDR+ mode.

Take a look at the PDF file attached to the very post in this thread. That may help.
Cool man...thanks! I will take a look.
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Quick feedback: you settings your provided me dont seem correct. TV becomes darker and colors look odd (Editorial: I am color blind so it could be me.) Also, HDMI Black Level is greyed out for me in HDR+.

Finally, I dont understand your last comment: "Make sure you are using Movie or Standard picture mode." ?????? How would I do that when I am choosing HDR+ mode?
It will be a little darker as my settings have a much lower backlight. However your eyes will adjust.

The comment about Movie and Standard mode apples when watching HDR material and not when setting the HDR+ mode.

Take a look at the PDF file attached to the very post in this thread. That may help.
@blenky for some reason I am unable to download attachment on my phone. Tells me the document is a "broken link" and page just freezes.
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@blenky for some reason I am unable to download attachment on my phone. Tells me the document is a "broken link" and page just freezes.
Same here via phone but fine via my laptop.

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Confirmed: Disney+ not available in 4K Ultra HD on Samsung Smart TV's

Source: https://www.totaaltv.nl/nieuws/disne...sung-smart-tv/

(It's a Dutch website so you need to use Google Translate if you want to read more.)
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One thing I've noticed that *may* have changed in the last firmware is that the way the TV handles interlaced signals seems to have changed.

I watch 1080i broadcast TV from a Virgin Media Tivo box in the UK. The TV's been running Film mode Auto 2 pretty much since I got it and it's always been fine, the TV does a much better job of deinterlacing than if I set the Tivo to output 1080p.

Watching a recorded episode of His Dark Materials last night though and there was periodic judder/frame skip which I've not seen before - setting Film Mode to Off resolved this. I think the picture quality is slightly worse with Film Mode off (seems to have less clarity and be slightly softer) but this may be placebo, not sure.

I've previously watched lots of different shows with Auto 2 and it's always been fine, so I don't know if this is something that's changed with recent updates or if it's something specific to how this particular show has been recorded. Or even a Tivo update that's caused it. This is a UK 50Hz signal and I know the TV doesn't cope too well with 50Hz (for instance Auto Motion Plus of any kind always causes skips and judder with 50Hz, so I have it disabled for this input) so maybe that's got something to do with it too.

However I'm a bit unclear as to what Film Mode is or does, and why it only applies to interlaced signals, so I'm guessing a bit here; at least disabling it seems to resolve the problem. I believe it's something to do with 3:2 pulldown so maybe it shouldn't be used for 50Hz signals at all.
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One thing I've noticed that *may* have changed in the last firmware is that the way the TV handles interlaced signals seems to have changed.

I watch 1080i broadcast TV from a Virgin Media Tivo box in the UK. The TV's been running Film mode Auto 2 pretty much since I got it and it's always been fine, the TV does a much better job of deinterlacing than if I set the Tivo to output 1080p.

Watching a recorded episode of His Dark Materials last night though and there was periodic judder/frame skip which I've not seen before - setting Film Mode to Off resolved this. I think the picture quality is slightly worse with Film Mode off (seems to have less clarity and be slightly softer) but this may be placebo, not sure.

I've previously watched lots of different shows with Auto 2 and it's always been fine, so I don't know if this is something that's changed with recent updates or if it's something specific to how this particular show has been recorded. Or even a Tivo update that's caused it. This is a UK 50Hz signal and I know the TV doesn't cope too well with 50Hz (for instance Auto Motion Plus of any kind always causes skips and judder with 50Hz, so I have it disabled for this input) so maybe that's got something to do with it too.

However I'm a bit unclear as to what Film Mode is or does, and why it only applies to interlaced signals, so I'm guessing a bit here; at least disabling it seems to resolve the problem. I believe it's something to do with 3:2 pulldown so maybe it shouldn't be used for 50Hz signals at all.
I also watched this recording on my VM TiVo last night and noticed no judder or frame skip. What video output is your TiVo setting? Mine is 2160p - to ensure it will correctly output UHD.

edit: added 1080i in Tvivo settings. Played again and TV set to 1080i 50Hz - no judder or skips - and have Auto2

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Yeah I've got mine set to output native 1080i where possible (plus 2160p for the UHD stuff).

Very bizarre. I'll play around a bit more but it seemed easily reproduceable and I was seeing it on both the episodes I had recorded of TDM.

Are you on the latest firmware for both the TV and the Tivo?
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(It's a Dutch website so you need to use Google Translate if you want to read more.)
Can confirm. Loaded up the app on my KS8000 this morning and no 4K or HDR banners on anything. Bummer. My other TVs and my phone show the Dolby vision badge.

For the large amount of HDR content on Disney+ this is a loss, hopefully the app is updated to support 4K HDR in time.
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I have been having some serious issues lately with my KS8500 while using Netflix on my AppleTV 4K. Any movie that I watch that is letterboxed has an issue where I see flashes, blocks of white and other random oddities (all white) in the letterbox area. Is this a known issue or has anyone else seen it? I can't test it against the native Netflix app because it's decided to stop working all together. Using other apps, I see some flashlighting, but I know that is normal due to the backlighting.
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I have been having some serious issues lately with my KS8500 while using Netflix on my AppleTV 4K. Any movie that I watch that is letterboxed has an issue where I see flashes, blocks of white and other random oddities (all white) in the letterbox area. Is this a known issue or has anyone else seen it? I can't test it against the native Netflix app because it's decided to stop working all together. Using other apps, I see some flashlighting, but I know that is normal due to the backlighting.
I wrote about this a year or so ago. I sort of forgot about it but it’s there. My ks8000 still works great. I’d have to test again to see if it got works.

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I wrote about this a year or so ago. I sort of forgot about it but it’s there. My ks8000 still works great. I’d have to test again to see if it got works.

https://youtu.be/6Z9RCMGbH_A
That's very, very similar but it's not as uniform as yours. Sometimes it will be a large section, other times just a small little area. It doesn't seem to correspond to anything in particular with the rest of the screen either (like it would with the backlight).

I've still got a warranty through Squaretrade but I'm hesitant since I've never gone through this sort of process before.
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post #36628 of 37148 Old 11-12-2019, 01:34 PM
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Is it safe to use a smart plug with this set?

My Amazon smart plug "works," but that means it kills the power to the the KS8000 whenever I voice the "off" command. In other words, it does not go into standby and it's equivalent (I imagine) to pulling the plug. Every time.
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Anyone know if the Disney Plus app on our TV streams 4k HDR?


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Anyone know if the Disney Plus app on our TV streams 4k HDR?


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In the description of the Disney + app on my KS8000 says "View select titles in stunning 4K UHD and HDR (coming soon)"
However the description on my Xbox One X and PS4 Pro is "View select titles in stunning 4K UHD and HDR"

So the TV app does not support HRD at this time for sure, and it may not support 4K either. Not sure if (coming soon) applies to both or just HRD.
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