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Thanks, I'll check that out. Hopefully trying not to get too overwhelmed in a research loop when it comes to these soundbars.
There aren't that many HDR-capable sound bars out there, so that limits, potentially helpfully, your choices.
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I took a look at the Black Friday ad for Costco, not one single TV in the ad, not sure if that means they will be on sale in the stores and just not listed in the ad.
What? You sure you were looking at their black Friday ad? Basically all their TVs were on sale including their 55 inch version of this TV for 979.
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I understand you love the TV but to say it's the best TV made for HDR is a stretch. The honest truth is OLED is better. Most here have no issue being unbiased and are honest about the shortcomings. Apparently you aren't one of them.

Oh and just because you prefer Dynamic Contrast to medium doesn't mean it "should" be.
absolutely amazing picture on oleds. nobody says there isn't. but nits are about 4 to 500 max on them. sorry but if you look at any reviews they will tell you nothing matches the samsung 8 or 9000 series for HDR. does it match the blacks in a oled nobody said that. so i guess your biased. jeez no wonder people quit using avs for buying info
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One more piece of data for putting the legs on "backwards", see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnv5-u5NTh8 at about the 4:30 mark. It is marked pretty well on the set, if you are in a well-lit room.

Actually, a pointer to this unboxing/setup video might be a good one for the FAQ.
Very good. After all, who would install their TV in the dark on purpose? LOL

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Still waiting for the "OMG HDR IS AMAZING!" moment.
I'm not a gamer and it sounds as if games have some way to catch up with HDR video.

But for now to showcase HDR, please forget games for a while and just try these demos (in Movie mode)

http://demo-uhd3d.com/fiche.php?cat=uhd&id=151 - Samsung HDR - Chasing the Light
http://demo-uhd3d.com/fiche.php?cat=uhd&id=145 - LG Chess - HDR

http://demo-uhd3d.com/categorie.php?tag=hdr - index (Lego and Mad Max are encrypted, all the others work great)

The Chess demo is taken from
https://mega.nz/#F!aBAGBJBb!vGOiLiLo9HT7fBA1qww3-Q
Unzip and rename the files to mkv. In there is a NASA demo which is also very impressive, and certainly in my top 10.

Also "Cinematic Jazz" - but be warned, the stupid sweaty DJ is very annoying

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a great HDR television anyway. The amount of light from those LEDs when the brightness is cranked absolutely definitely compromises the image to some degree.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...cd-review.html contains settings you may wish to try next. He found that Backlight 20 in HDR gives 1300 nits which isn't really needed given most content is mastered for 1000 nits. (ie there's no need to crank the Backlight up so much.) I use his "HDR Dark Room (Movie mode) - 1000 nits" settings, but with Auto Motion Plus firmly off.

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sorry but if you look at any reviews they will tell you nothing matches the samsung 8 or 9000 series for HDR.
Not sure what reviews you're reading, but here are some comparisons from the rtings.com review of the KS8000 and the LG OLED B6P:

KS8000:
- HDR Movies: 8.2
- HDR Gaming: 8.5

LG B6P:
- HDR Movies: 8.6
- HDR Gaming: 8.9

So, no, the KS8000 is NOT the best for HDR content... Plus, you have to remember that the KS8000 is not compatible with Dolvy Vision HDR content, so that is another "con" compared to LG and/or Vizio sets, which support both HDR "standards".

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It is true that that's his opinion . However he can't predict whether other people will be disappointed or not, so I'd say his prediction on that score is obviously false.

It's also false that Auto Motion Plus is always off in PC mode. It's set to "auto" (not adjustable though) in PC Sport mode.

He is also ignoring the fact that we've had many and regular firmware updates, and in general each update is an improvement, and Samsung are clearly still addressing issues and fixing them. I expect/hope that when PS4 HDR gaming really takes off, Samsung will be forced into saving two sets of settings in Game mode (one for SDR and one for HDR), but we'll have to see.

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What? You sure you were looking at their black Friday ad? Basically all their TVs were on sale including their 55 inch version of this TV for 979.
Airikay, can you supply a link please? Looking here, I don't see any TVs.
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Well, I'm not saying you're wrong, but my remote is NOT outputting any IR to FLIRC on my Mac Mini. Maybe it needs to be connected to a CEC compatible device before it will dual-send cec commands and IR?

Maybe there is a special mode that gets activated on the remote? Maybe it depends on what type of source is connected to the TV?

Who knows, but I do know if I use the Wii U controller remote to blast IR to the Flirc it works fine. (So therefore it's unlikely not FLIRC / Mac Mini thats the problem)

I suspect there is more to this IR business and we should hold off on definitive statements either way about the remote's ability to use IR across all it's functions. Especially considering the the remote does use 2.4ghz as the primary interface method, and the Samsung website acknowledges this.



Thanks, I'll check that out. Hopefully trying not to get too overwhelmed in a research loop when it comes to these soundbars.
I'm not lying about it. My remote is controlling my Xbox one as well as my Motorola cable box via IR. I confirmed last night. If you want to test what uses it point the remote at your phone camera. When the IR blaster sends a signal it will light up in the camera like an led.
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absolutely amazing picture on oleds. nobody says there isn't. but nits are about 4 to 500 max on them. sorry but if you look at any reviews they will tell you nothing matches the samsung 8 or 9000 series for HDR. does it match the blacks in a oled nobody said that. so i guess your biased. jeez no wonder people quit using avs for buying info
500 nits is still very bright. Because of their infinite black levels OLED give an even higher perceived contrast than the 8000. UHD premium does not require as high of nits out of an oled because of the contrast ratio. Also when you have your tv in a dark room theatre environment watching hdr you won't have the backlight cranked anyways. So you're not going to get that 1100 nits. Unless you really like to strain your eyes I guess.
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If you're only going to watch TV in a very dim or dark room, the OLED looks exceptional. But in a living room scenario with windows and lights, the KS8000 can't be beat.
At one if the dedicated AV stores locally, they have the OLED in a very dark alcove with no lights and the KS8000 in a lit area. Just to market it's strengths.


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I'll take oled over any LCD/LED any day of the week. ^ is correct.
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I'm not a gamer and it sounds as if games have some way to catch up with HDR video.

But for now to showcase HDR, please forget games for a while and just try these demos (in Movie mode)

http://demo-uhd3d.com/fiche.php?cat=uhd&id=151 - Samsung HDR - Chasing the Light
http://demo-uhd3d.com/fiche.php?cat=uhd&id=145 - LG Chess - HDR

http://demo-uhd3d.com/categorie.php?tag=hdr - index (Lego and Mad Max are encrypted, all the others work great)

The Chess demo is taken from
https://mega.nz/#F!aBAGBJBb!vGOiLiLo9HT7fBA1qww3-Q
Unzip and rename the files to mkv. In there is a NASA demo which is also very impressive, and certainly in my top 10.

Also "Cinematic Jazz" - but be warned, the stupid sweaty DJ is very annoying

More demos listed in this thread .



https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...cd-review.html contains settings you may wish to try next. He found that Backlight 20 in HDR gives 1300 nits which isn't really needed given most content is mastered for 1000 nits. (ie there's no need to crank the Backlight up so much.) I use his "HDR Dark Room (Movie mode) - 1000 nits" settings, but with Auto Motion Plus firmly off.
Hi, thank you for the content suggestions. One correction: It is "Cymatic Jazz" (not Cinematic) on You Tube. The reason to address this is because this is an amazing, richly colorful video produced by LG OLED to obviously promote their blacks - but they sure look good on the KS8000 as well. I'm much less focused on the sweaty DJ and instead prefer the bouncing berries emanating from the thumping woofer. This demo should have gone viral by now.
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absolutely amazing picture on oleds. nobody says there isn't. but nits are about 4 to 500 max on them. sorry but if you look at any reviews they will tell you nothing matches the samsung 8 or 9000 series for HDR. does it match the blacks in a oled nobody said that. so i guess your biased. jeez no wonder people quit using avs for buying info
In your original post you say you don't care what reviews say, now you're telling me to look at the reviews? Too funny.

Amd if you think nits is all that matters when it comes to picture quality well then I guess the old saying is true....ignorance is bliss.

And if people truly have stopped using AVS as a pre purchase tool it's because of biased and uninformed posts like yours.
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Not sure what reviews you're reading, but here are some comparisons from the rtings.com review of the KS8000 and the LG OLED B6P:

KS8000:
- HDR Movies: 8.2
- HDR Gaming: 8.5

LG B6P:
- HDR Movies: 8.6
- HDR Gaming: 8.9

So, no, the KS8000 is NOT the best for HDR content... Plus, you have to remember that the KS8000 is not compatible with Dolvy Vision HDR content, so that is another "con" compared to LG and/or Vizio sets, which support both HDR "standards".

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Hes not reading reviews, hes been posting misinformation since he joined, simply because he owns the TV and thinks nothing is better.

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Airikay, can you supply a link please? Looking here, I don't see any TVs.
That's the one I saw, if there is another link with TV's,the world wants to see it. It does seem odd that there wouldn't be any on sale.

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It is listed at Amazon right now. Costco also.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01C5TFLSE...ding=UTF8&th=1
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Hi, thank you for the content suggestions. One correction: It is "Cymatic Jazz" (not Cinematic) on You Tube. The reason to address this is because this is an amazing, richly colorful video produced by LG OLED to obviously promote their blacks - but they sure look good on the KS8000 as well. I'm much less focused on the sweaty DJ and instead prefer the bouncing berries emanating from the thumping woofer. This demo should have gone viral by now.
Ah yes, I was typing from memory. I'm sure you know but just in case, you tube doesn't support HDR so you need to download it from the zip to enjoy in HDR
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I'm not a gamer and it sounds as if games have some way to catch up with HDR video.

But for now to showcase HDR, please forget games for a while and just try these demos (in Movie mode)

http://demo-uhd3d.com/fiche.php?cat=uhd&id=151 - Samsung HDR - Chasing the Light
http://demo-uhd3d.com/fiche.php?cat=uhd&id=145 - LG Chess - HDR

http://demo-uhd3d.com/categorie.php?tag=hdr - index (Lego and Mad Max are encrypted, all the others work great)

The Chess demo is taken from
https://mega.nz/#F!aBAGBJBb!vGOiLiLo9HT7fBA1qww3-Q
Unzip and rename the files to mkv. In there is a NASA demo which is also very impressive, and certainly in my top 10.

Also "Cinematic Jazz" - but be warned, the stupid sweaty DJ is very annoying

More demos listed in this thread .



https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...cd-review.html contains settings you may wish to try next. He found that Backlight 20 in HDR gives 1300 nits which isn't really needed given most content is mastered for 1000 nits. (ie there's no need to crank the Backlight up so much.) I use his "HDR Dark Room (Movie mode) - 1000 nits" settings, but with Auto Motion Plus firmly off.
I second this recommendation. And I'll add this one...

http://demo-uhd3d.com/fiche.php?cat=uhd&id=153

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Got another $216 back, heh that's over $400 since I bought it. Now, this seems to be a 1 day sale at Costco, the sign in the store says good through 11-5. So if you want one better scoop it up. The 65" was still listed at $1679.

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Trying to decide whether the extra about $200 is worth the additional 5" curve. My setup can take a 60" flat or 65" curved. The samsung EPP prices are:
60" ks8000 $1059
65" ks8500 $1249

I have a very bright living room so can't do OLED (and the price is much more unless I go down to a 55" OLED)

I will also need to upgrade my avr which is a denon 1909 that only does hdmi 1.3, so no arc or 4k through it. That means I'll have to plug my htpc to the tv and optical out to the receiver, until that avr gets upgraded. I am using a nvidia gtx 960 on my htpc which supports 4k w/hdr hdmi 2.0 @ 4:4:4. Also anyone worried about not having dolby vision and only hdr10. What if you used a chromecast ultra with dv support?
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That picture is absolutely meaningless... I'm sure you could get yours to look like that as well, regardless of which panel you had.


No it isn't. My 8000 is nothing like that....
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It is listed at Amazon right now. Costco also.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01C5TFLSE...ding=UTF8&th=1
Seems like the 55" dropped under $1000 at most places I've been following this morning, Best Buy, Costco Amazon and locally PC Richard's.
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Seems like the 55" dropped under $1000 at most places I've been following this morning, Best Buy, Costco Amazon and locally PC Richard's.
Yup, now Frys isn't the best, they still list it at $1197.99.

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So some more verdicts on HDR in gaming: Not impressed.

Fired up Infamous, The Last of Us, and Uncharted 4.

Infamous was hopeless. The black crush is INSANE. You can't make out your character when it's overcast very well, - and that is with the backlight set to 20, contrast at 100, and dynamic contrast maxed out.

The Last of Us - couldn't tell much of anything was different. Something is funky in the way the PS4 is outputting even the SDR version, with blacks looking very grey in general with the KS8000. Not sure what's going on there.

Uncharted 4 looked not bad, and maybe somewhat improved in range over the SDR. But again, it was nothing super convincing.

I'm still not sold on HDR (on this TV anyway), but again - we're talking about old consoles with patches for older games that didn't support the feature initially. The 4K+HDR demo videos were very impressive. How much of that is HDR and how much of that is just plain 4K prettiness remains to be seen.
Black Crush is your settings being wrong.

You likely got Black Depth set to Low and RGB set to Full on the PS4.

HEnce the Black Crush.

Also are you actually playing in HDR or HDR+ ?
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Hey,

Wondering if anyone can help me out with small problem im having with UHD turned "ON"

I bought a Onkyo ST-7800s and have it hooked up via HDMI+ARC etc etc

Before the sound system I was able to turn UHD on without having "flickering" (screen turns black for a few seconds and the image re-appears constantly)

Now, I know this isn't a problem with my HDMI cable. Reason I say this is because when I play a 4k UHD movie....the flickering goes away completely.

If I turn UHD off...the flickering goes away and I can navigate through the blu-ray's menu (not the movie's menu, the blu-ray's menu itself) and all other devices.

My currently solution is to turn UHD "Off" and when I watch a 4k HDR movie...I turn it back on but its annoying.

Does anyone know why this happens? This never happened when I didn't have the Onkyo ST-7800s
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Looks like there is physical pressure applied to the bottom of the screen.

Was it dropped? Perhaps damaged in shipping.
I'm guessing it was dropped in shipping. Hoping Samsung will replace it.
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Has anyone figured out how to set e.g. Apple TV in "Movie Mode?" For some reason it grey out movie mode and leaves me in Standard...
I had a similar problem with my Asus Chromebox (the Celeron 2955U model). I had the Kodi resolution set to 2160p and Movie mode simply disappeared from the TV options. Once I set it to 1080p, I was able to get Movie mode again. I don't know if that's the same issue with your Apple TV, but that's what I did. Maybe it's a HDMI 1.4 issue?
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Airikay, can you supply a link please? Looking here, I don't see any TVs.
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There's is a week long. Also, the Samsung is same price today. Samsung has a 1 day sale.)

Hey all, finally bought the TV today. I noticed a streak on my screen. I tried using a microfiber cloth and it didn't come off. Any suggestions for cleaning it. Thanks.

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Black Crush is your settings being wrong.

You likely got Black Depth set to Low and RGB set to Full on the PS4.

HEnce the Black Crush.

Also are you actually playing in HDR or HDR+ ?
HDR+ is a gimmick as far as I can tell. I'm not using it.

For now I give up on regular HDR on consoles. It simply makes things worse - more than it makes things better. My settings for RGB and HDMI black level are correct - and match accordingly. For reference and in the name of science, I did try every combination of those two settings.

Here are a couple of images from Forza Horizon 3. Just go to the bare desert roads and repeat it for yourself. This is with HDR settings of backlight max, dynamic contrast set to high etc. All the settings that this forum recommends... SDR was taken at "normal" brightness levels, and all of those other settings off. For the record, no settings in HDR fixed this issue.

The desert road in HDR is basically a solid orange, with no visible texture. In no way is this preferable to the SDR version. You can test this for yourself. I don't doubt something is just wrong, and can potentially be fixed, but for NOW, this isn't good enough. Are the colors (the car etc) more vibrant? YES. Is it worth using HDR? NOPE. The funky image, and crushed blacks (look at the rear grills on the Ferrari, as well as the trees - black crush in full force).


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I had a similar problem with my Asus Chromebox (the Celeron 2955U model). I had the Kodi resolution set to 2160p and Movie mode simply disappeared from the TV options. Once I set it to 1080p, I was able to get Movie mode again. I don't know if that's the same issue with your Apple TV, but that's what I did. Maybe it's a HDMI 1.4 issue?
The Apple TV has a max res of 1080p (4th generation). So... yeah... oh well.

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