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I bought a m70-d3 on Labor Day. Great tv for movies and games but not so much for HDR. I returned it to Costco and got the 65ks8000 much better overall really happy I switched
Would you mind talking a little bit more about your experiences with both sets?

I picked up the m65-d0 last week for $999.99 and have not been particularly happy with the set. The casting is not ideal, took forever for me to get it working right due to network issues in my house (house is wired for internet but doesn't have good wifi). And, due to its issues with the xbox one s, I've yet to watch a 4K bluray. Netflix 4K shows are all fairly dark, so at this point, I haven't been able to watch anything to really show me what type of brightness and color the tv can produce. I know the m65 is not really a 10 bit display, but all the reviews I read said it produced better blacks the ks8000 series and that the samsung has blooming and light bleeding issues. There's nothing that would drive me crazier when watching a movie than seeing light bleeding in the black letterbox area of the screen, so ultimately, I opted for the m65 at $999 instead of the 65ks8000 at $500 more. However, I'm having second thoughts and wondering if I'd rather spend $500 more for Sammy. So, if you wouldn't mind, tell me what you liked and didn't about the vizio same for your current set.

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Probably a dumb question so I apologize in advance. I purchased a Vizio m65 on Black Friday and I'm waiting on it to be delivered. I'm going to be using it mostly to be playing PlayStation Pro, so 4K gaming. The more I'm reading on the M Series that it is an 8 bit panel and it does not have a WCG im thinking about returning it for a ks8000. Anyone want to offer up their "honest" opinion?


I went from the M65 to the KS8000 and they are not even close IMO. Only thing the M Series had on the KS was the full array local dimming, but the blacks on the KS are outstanding anyway.
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The "Search" feature should help, or you could just wait for it to be downloaded automatically to your display.
i don't see this linked anywhere on these forums and search isn't working on the korean sites for me
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http://org.downloadcenter.samsung.co.../T-JZMAKUC.zip


Direct download from Korean site ^
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Direct download from Korean site ^
You can't use this on none korean TVs right?
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it can be used with all NTSC models

Keep in mind that the TV won't install incompatible updates of the firmware

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it can be used with all NTSC models
So I'll have to wait .... EU model here...

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Actually thinking about dropping down to the 60" from the 65". I know they say that for these 4k sets it's best to go big, but I just can't get past how just average this set looks with cable. I think it's just a result of sitting so close to our 65" set. Don't get me wrong, 4k viewing is great but with most of our viewing on cable, I think going a bit smaller will strike a good balance.


Visited the in-law's again over Thanksgiving and walked away impressed yet again with their 55" E Series Vizio. I'm not sure if the smaller size makes all the edges sharper or what, but I just don't like how that $500 set look so good. Especially when this set was going for nearly 2 grand not too long ago. I also noticed it has a fair amount of soap opera effect (set up using Rtings recommendations) which may make the set look a little better. Something about the Vizio makes the colors look more 'solid' and with the KS8000 they look soft or pale when viewing 1080 content. It's hard to explain.
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Actually thinking about dropping down to the 60" from the 65". I know they say that for these 4k sets it's best to go big, but I just can't get past how just average this set looks with cable...
Be sure your cable box is configured to output 1080i only (possibly 720p too), so that the TV can do the upscaling from there.
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I believe the recommendation from people in this thread for dealing with 1080i has been to reduce motion blur, set judder to 0, and Film Mode to Auto 1.
Not sure Film mode has anything to do with anything as long as your watching HD content. Ive found that Film mode off leads to less lag. I havent been able to tell any difference between the Film Modes as far as picture quality. I only watch 720p/1080i Fios content though.

This is quoted from another article I read, notice the sentence about taking a second or two to load..which was my problem until i turned it off:

"you can also try different settings of the Film Mode control (also under Picture Options in the Picture menu). This control determines how the TV’s video processor deinterlaces 1080i from film and video sources. Setting this control to “Off” forces the processor to deinterlace in video mode, which is what you want for sports captured at 1080i. However, this setting does not correctly deinterlace anything captured at 24 frames per second and then interlaced to 1080i, which includes virtually all movies and, as far as I know, most scripted primetime programs.

The Film Mode settings labeled “Auto1” and “Auto2” automatically detect the 3:2 interlaced film cadence and, if present, deinterlace it accordingly. If you’re watching a football game and a commercial comes on that was shot at 24 fps and then interlaced to 1080i, setting the Film Mode to Auto1 or Auto2 will cause the processor to switch to film-mode deinterlacing, then back to video mode when the game comes back. It takes a second or two to make the switch each time, during which you might see excessive jaggies.

What’s the difference between Auto1 and Auto2? When the signal is a mix of film- and video-based content—say, a movie overlaid with a DVD menu—Auto1 defaults to film mode, while Auto2 defaults to video mode. Otherwise, they behave identically."
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Be sure your cable box is configured to output 1080i only (possibly 720p too), so that the TV can do the upscaling from there.
Thanks, yeah I've got it set at 1080i at the moment. I've also tried 720p as well. Which one of those is the better signal to feed this TV?

Also I've got my Onkyo set to simply pass the video signal through.
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What is your source for thinking that one of them does, please? As far as we can work out, BD Wise has been completely dropped by Samsung, it's not in any of the 2016 models nor mentioned in their marketing
Samsung web site when comparing features on the 60 to the 65 I just thought it was curious.

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I'm a little underwhelmed at how cable looks as well. PS4 and 4K YouTube look incredible. My fios box is set to 1080p.
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What is your source for thinking that one of them does, please? As far as we can work out, BD Wise has been completely dropped by Samsung, it's not in any of the 2016 models nor mentioned in their marketing
Yes I remember you saying that Samsung dropped BD Wise for 2016 models. here is a link scroll down to see full specs BD Wise plus
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I'm a little underwhelmed at how cable looks as well. PS4 and 4K YouTube look incredible. My fios box is set to 1080p.
Isn't that to be expected though? 1080i channels will look worse on 4K TVs, just as SD channels will look worse on 1080p TVs.
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...Also I've got my Onkyo set to simply pass the video signal through.
Did you try bypassing the Onkyo and go directly to the OC box?

Also, how does it look to you with an OTA signal? Something live, like a football game.
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Thanks, yeah I've got it set at 1080i at the moment. I've also tried 720p as well. Which one of those is the better signal to feed this TV?

Also I've got my Onkyo set to simply pass the video signal through.
most cable boxes will let you select native. That means the box does no scaling and lets the tv do it. Best way
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Hi folks,

I'm torn between the 65" 8000 and 8500, flat vs curved. The flat is sold out at Costco and I was really hoping to snag one while it's on sale. They have the curved one, but I'm not totally sold. It's $100 more. Anyone have experience with both?

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Did you try bypassing the Onkyo and go directly to the OC box?

Also, how does it look to you with an OTA signal? Something live, like a football game.
I haven't tried bypassing the receiver, so I may try that just to compare.

I don't have the means to test an OTA signal as I don't have an antenna.
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I purchased the M65-D0 last week at Best Buy for $1149, then came back and got them to price match Costco's $999.99 deal. I had a ton of issues getting the thing to work to my liking, namely due to smartcast not working well in my network configuration. I am generally not a fan of having to use the tablet for configuring picture settings, but I could get used to it. I'm currently having issues playing HDR Bluray content on the Xbox One S, and, after reading more reviews, I think ultimately, although the M65-D0 is a great deal, i'm going to be disappointed with the lack of color quality due to it being an 8 bit panel. So i'm going to return the thing and spend an extra $500 for either the P65-C1 or 65KS8000. I read some review sites and they favor the vizio. I read others that favor the Samsung. I really don't know who to believe, so i'm hoping some of you out there can help me make a decision based on your personal observations. Here are my viewing habits/priorities/TV room setup:

1. HDR content. Although I probably wont spend the most TIME watching HDR movies (due to limited availability), its the #1 reason i'm buying a tv. This is not my "general use" TV. its a TV in my "man cave." 90% of the time, i'll be watching movies, or shows on HBO like Game of Thrones, Westworld, etc. For HRD content, I want to watch Mad Max, The Martian, Sicario, and really be blown away by how amazing the colors look. I want the colors to POP. Just as important to me are the black levels. I'm coming from an old LG LCD and "bleeding" annoys the crap out of me. If i'm watching a movie, I want the letterboxes to be as close to black as possible. If i'm watching a movie set in space, I don't want to see a glow around a ship or other object moving across the screen. I also hate "banding" that I generally only notice when watching a movie and it pans up to show the sky.

2. The TV needs to handle cable broadcastsports motion well. I want a little "blockiness/pixilation" when watching cable content as possible.

3. Although most of the time I will be watching the TV in a dark room, there will be times i'll be watching during the day (sports mostly). Unfortunately, the way the room is configured, there is a window sitting behind where my couch is, aimed directly at the TV, so a set to reduce reflection or just be bright enough to counteract the glare, would be awesome.

4. The room is longer than it is wide. As such, I'm not concerned about needing to have wider viewing angle.

5. Although I have an xbox one S, I mainly use it because I like how it incorporates my Cable TV, has tons of streaming apps, and a Bluray player, all in one. I will rarely, if ever, play games on the TV so gaming is not important at all, HDR, or otherwise.

As KS8000 owners, can you provide any advise on how the Samsung would meet my needs? I'm somewhat concerned about the black levels/blooming from some of the reviews I have read, but everything else sounds like its great (aside from lack of dolby vision support).
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most cable boxes will let you select native. That means the box does no scaling and lets the tv do it. Best way
I've checked it multiple times. My box only has the options for 720p or 1080i, which seems pretty stupid.

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I don't have the means to test an OTA signal as I don't have an antenna.
Unless you live in the absolute sticks, you will get at least one station if you stick an unfolded paperclip in the antenna jack.
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Yes, I would definitely like their impressions, particularly with regard to performance in low light (since I tend to do a lot of movie watching / game playing at night, with lights low or off). The light bloom problem is making me really quite apprehensive. It feels like none of the affordable panels this holiday season are without a particular serious flaw (The Vizio seems to have a couple, particularly the tablet interface weirdness). Part of me wants to wait for the next generation (and when they're on sale!) and hope they are without similar *serious* flaws. But at the same time I feel like that would be a waste of video game prettiness potential.

(Of course, if it turns out that the panel performs fine in low light and the reviewers are just being overly judgemental, that would be great )
not sure what they said but in no light and low light my 65ks8500 looks great. sure wouldn't switch for a vizio thats for sure. i like gaming with HDR
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I'm curious what type of antenna you are using? I'm mainly watching BD's/Games on my One and then using the streaming services through the tv apps, but wouldn't mind watching local stuff occasionally on my tv if I can get something that will pick up channels down here in the valley where I live in Washington State.



Recently picked up a channel master indoor antenna. It works great and can be "hidden" vs bunny ears. They also sell outdoor antennas.

http://www.channelmaster.com/Flatenn.../cm-4001hd.htm

You can check your zip code on their support link to make your decision on the antenna you will need. Hope that helps.

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Yes, I would definitely like their impressions, particularly with regard to performance in low light (since I tend to do a lot of movie watching / game playing at night, with lights low or off). The light bloom problem is making me really quite apprehensive. It feels like none of the affordable panels this holiday season are without a particular serious flaw (The Vizio seems to have a couple, particularly the tablet interface weirdness). Part of me wants to wait for the next generation (and when they're on sale!) and hope they are without similar *serious* flaws. But at the same time I feel like that would be a waste of video game prettiness potential.

(Of course, if it turns out that the panel performs fine in low light and the reviewers are just being overly judgemental, that would be great )
I watch and play in a light controlled room in total darkness. Outside of the minimal light bleed, I've noticed no blooming or issues that have made me regret my decision to buy this television. You can ask what people think, but opinions are always going to vary. Bottom line, how does it look to you and do you have an electronics store outside of Costco and Best Buy that has it being displayed in a low lit room?

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Actually thinking about dropping down to the 60" from the 65". I know they say that for these 4k sets it's best to go big, but I just can't get past how just average this set looks with cable. I think it's just a result of sitting so close to our 65" set. Don't get me wrong, 4k viewing is great but with most of our viewing on cable, I think going a bit smaller will strike a good balance.


Visited the in-law's again over Thanksgiving and walked away impressed yet again with their 55" E Series Vizio. I'm not sure if the smaller size makes all the edges sharper or what, but I just don't like how that $500 set look so good. Especially when this set was going for nearly 2 grand not too long ago. I also noticed it has a fair amount of soap opera effect (set up using Rtings recommendations) which may make the set look a little better. Something about the Vizio makes the colors look more 'solid' and with the KS8000 they look soft or pale when viewing 1080 content. It's hard to explain.
Remind me again what size your former tv was? It is the source, not the tv. That's why I only watch BD's, streaming and game on mine. I knew that if I hooked up my cable the picture would blow. It looks like crap already on my 55" LG, but more watchable on my 47" Vizio. I'm not a purist by any means, but cable and satellite need to step up their game. The only reason I have it still hooked up in my house is it offsets the cost of my internet. So my feeling is you are going to be equally disappointed with the 60" or because the screen is slightly smaller, not see the imperfections of cable.
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If that Costco has the 850D, the 800D bezel will look exactly like it, just curved instead of flat. It's sort of a gunmetal grey and almost completely disappears when actually watching something.
Hopefully they have it up! Gun metal sounds more appealing than chrome. Will the 850D also show me the extra bezel thickness? Im guessing it probably adds a few centimetres vs the non D models. Costco is out online so I'm hoping they get restocked real soon because their website says the price is only until the 28th.

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Remind me again what size your former tv was? It is the source, not the tv. That's why I only watch BD's, streaming and game on mine. I knew that if I hooked up my cable the picture would blow. It looks like crap already on my 55" LG, but more watchable on my 47" Vizio. I'm not a purist by any means, but cable and satellite need to step up their game. The only reason I have it still hooked up in my house is it offsets the cost of my internet. So my feeling is you are going to be equally disappointed with the 60" or because the screen is slightly smaller, not see the imperfections of cable.
Former TV before going with the 65KS8000 was a 60" Plasma.

I was sort of thinking the same thing myself with going down from this 65" to a 60". And you're right, it'll just be in hopes of masking the imperfections of the cable feed. But not sure what getting rid of those 5" will do honestly. I got a great deal on this set, so I may just keep it after all. As mentioned, very pleased with 4k content.
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I agree with cable looking awful as well.

I never watch Westworld live or on the DVR because it looks so much better on HBOGO
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