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post #27031 of 36743 Old 06-16-2017, 08:53 AM
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My day/night cal issues seem to be for the XB1S only during UHD/HDR playback only.
I was able to play Horizon and Uncharted 4 w/HDR in both day and night cal settings.

I feel just from my perception that 1180 improved over the last few firmware updates.

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Are you sure? If you're playing on the PS4, it should be in Game mode, not any Cal mode. Game mode isn't a layer on top of any mode, but it's own mode, separate from all others.

I wasn't able to get Netflix to do HDR in Cal modes, with the normal TV app.
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Are you sure? If you're playing on the PS4, it should be in Game mode, not any Cal mode. Game mode isn't a layer on top of any mode, but it's own mode, separate from all others.

I wasn't able to get Netflix to do HDR in Cal modes, with the normal TV app.
Yes I tested to see if it would work. I normally run game mode, but for testing purposes I tired it out.

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1165 is the unanimously cited as the best firmware that this TV has had -- update to that but no further. Turn Auto Update off and disable Samsung update IPs on your router if you can.
Definitely not "unanimously". SOME have felt it was the best firmware and declared it as such, others have disagreed. It seems to have popped up recently out of nowhere that 1165 is "best". I'm on 1168 and it works as well as 1165 and all previous firmwares. I haven't had an issue with any of the firmwares, they have all worked as they should. Various people have had various issues with various firmwares that others haven't. It seems to be down to individual sets as opposed to individual firmwares. It would be a shame to have people be paranoid to upgrade their firmware for nothing. Although ideally we would be able to downgrade our firmwares to whichever version we want. When a new firmware comes out, try it - if there's something you don't like about it, go back to one you do like until the next one comes to try!

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I am on 1167 . Should I update to 1180.5. I dont want to see less PQ or Image degrading or less pop 'WoW' placebo quality

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The problem with 'WoW' placebo quality is that, by definition you would be seeing something that is or isn't there. It's "in your head". That's what a placebo is. The 'WoW' quality may be better, or may not change (or maybe never changed), but if you have it in your head that it's worse, it won't matter what the reality is. Even if 1180.5 did improve the 'WoW' effect, it wouldn't make a difference, so how are we supposed to recommend what you should or shouldn't do?

How about this - since the 'WoW' placebo quality is purely subjective and up to you, you can end up with three results: 1) 'WoW' is improved. 2) 'WoW' stays the same 3) 'WoW' is worse. You have a 2 out of 3 chance that 'WoW' stays the same or improves. Reports from users with 1180.5 are either that quality has improved slightly or has stayed the same, no reports of it getting worse. So you have a better than 2 of 3 chance of it not being worse. I say go for it, you have very little to lose. If you don't like it, you can always blame me. I can take it.

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Excellent, thanks. That's definitely one bug fixed, then





Clearly, different experiences. I wonder why @joe75xp doesn't have any issues at all with Cal Day/Night, but @T_dot does.
Actually, I stated that I haven't had any problems with any firmware update I've had since owning the TV.
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Actually, I stated that I haven't had any problems with any firmware update I've had since owning the TV.
Oops! Sorry. I'll edit the post. Ta.
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Anyone with an Nvidia Shield be willing to PM or post their calibration settings for SDR content?

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Ok. I currently am on firmware 1155 and have auto update off. Should I finally update or sit tight?
If Samsung releases an update they consider mandatory, you'll get it regardless, unless your TV is not connected to the Internet in any way, shape, or form. End transmission...
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Yes I tested to see if it would work. I normally run game mode, but for testing purposes I tired it out.

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Ah interesting and curious... I'll test this later today to confirm. But then it still doesn't help where it needs to, with the XB1S and my 4K Movies :P And it leaves a bigger question, of why would it only affect the XB1S input but not any other?
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Ah interesting and curious... I'll test this later today to confirm. But then it still doesn't help where it needs to, with the XB1S and my 4K Movies And it leaves a bigger question, of why would it only affect the XB1S input but not any other?
I almost didn't bother testing it for the same fact. Why would affect one and not the other?

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I'm having an issue with my ks8000 and the way it is connecting with the samsung uhd-k8500 and my receiver. The player has 1 hdmi running to the tv, and the 2nd for sound running to my receiver (Onkyo if that matters). The TV keeps changing the setting on my receiver from bd/dvd (the player) to tv (for arc) and even though I manually change it back, anytime there is a lapse in audio (pausing a movie, going back to the menu, etc), the TV changes my receiver to TV again. Is there a way to get the TV to stop trying to push audio through ARC and leave the receiver settings alone while I'm using the player?
My guess is that this is a receiver issue, and not due to the TV. Your receiver should remain on the input you have selected regardless of the number of active sources you have. If CEC is on in the receiver, try turning it off and manually selecting the input you want to listen to. If that works correctly, CEC (and perhaps how the BDP and TV handle output signal changes) is your problem.

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The issue is HDR won't activate in Cal-Day or Cal-Night when using external sources.
Ok. Sorry. Other issues developed with my Roku Ultra after going to 1180. But I suspect the issues were more coincidence than causal related to the upgrade. Used to love Roku before I got a decent TV. Same goes for Directv.
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Samsung will be holding an event starting June 27 where they will be discussing, among other things, HDR10+.

Wonder if the HDR10+ firmware update will be released shortly after this event, along with Amazon HDR10+ content.
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Samsung will be holding an event starting June 27 where they will be discussing, among other things, HDR10+.

Wonder if the HDR10+ firmware update will be released shortly after this event, along with Amazon HDR10+ content.
Glad to hear that. Please post the source.
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Glad to hear that. Please post the source.
Can't, due to low post count. Just Google "display summit QLED & HDR10 summit."
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I almost didn't bother testing it for the same fact. Why would affect one and not the other?

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So I tested it just now. Turned PS4 on, turned game mode off, put it into Cal Day. Started FFXV. Nothing. No HDR notification, no automatic adjustments to needed values. Closed game. Source did not show any HDR label either.

Put TV into Movie Mode. Opened FFXV. No HDR Notification, but the values did change to HDR values. Closed FFXV. Source did show HDR though in the info.

Put it into Game Mode. Opened FFXV. HDR Notification popped up, but of course, values didn't change automatically.

So this firmware.... I'm just confused. It's doing odd stuff with the HDR notifications and the different modes in different sources... And it seems to affect each set a little differently.
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Tizen 3.0:

http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...IZEN-3.0-SMART

Hope this filters down to the 2016 KS8xx and KS9xx.
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Can't, due to low post count. Just Google "display summit QLED & HDR10 summit."
Thanks.

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http://www.displaysummit.com/qled-and-hdr10-summit/
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Hope this filters down to the 2016 KS8xx and KS9xx.
Interesting. They will be presenting HDR10+ at this conference, too.
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Does anyone have any external devices that they know for sure support HLG? Would be interesting to test it with this TV to see if it has been updated to support HDMI 2.0b.
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Does anyone have any external devices that they know for sure support HLG? Would be interesting to test it with this TV to see if it has been updated to support HDMI 2.0b.
I haven't verified that this is really an HLG encoded file, but that's the claim.

http://demo-uhd3d.com/fiche.php?cat=uhd&id=158

It plays off a USB drive plugged into the TV's OCB (one connect box), but not through an AVR (Denon AVR-X4300H) that doesn't yet support HLG.
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I've upgrade to 1180.5 and noticed that the USB file browser now changes the directory icon to include a hint of its contents (like windows 7 does) so you get a partial thumbnail. This is definitely new.

They still haven't fixed the "up a folder" mistake though (it says "upper folder")
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I haven't verified that this is really an HLG encoded file, but that's the claim.

http://demo-uhd3d.com/fiche.php?cat=uhd&id=158

It plays off a USB drive plugged into the TV's OCB (one connect box), but not through an AVR (Denon AVR-X4300H) that doesn't yet support HLG.
Yeah, the TV has supported HLG through its native apps and via USB for a few months now. I just wanted to see if the TV has been updated with HDMI 2.0b, and the only way I know how to check would be to play an HLG file via HDMI. Unfortunately, I don't have any external devices that support HLG.

I believe the Panasonic 4K player does, though. Maybe the Sony X800 player as well, and perhaps some Android TV boxes with the latest Android 7.0.
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The TV seems to be engaging auto motion plus occasionally on its own causing the image to look as though it is fast forwarding.

I noticed all this while watching ex machina.

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I'm seeing this also - noticed it over the last couple of days after upgrading to 1185, but wasn't sure what was happening.
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My guess is that this is a receiver issue, and not due to the TV. Your receiver should remain on the input you have selected regardless of the number of active sources you have. If CEC is on in the receiver, try turning it off and manually selecting the input you want to listen to. If that works correctly, CEC (and perhaps how the BDP and TV handle output signal changes) is your problem.

I've had the receiver for a while and never had any similar issue before I bought the ks8000 (and the k8500), so I don't think the receiver is the culprit. Also, CEC is a requirement on the receiver for ARC, so I can't really disable it as I'd lose audio from the smart TV apps. Nobody else has had issues like this?
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I'm seeing this also - noticed it over the last couple of days after upgrading to 1185, but wasn't sure what was happening.
It momentarily introducing SOE which to me makes all content seem to be moving at a slightly higher clip.
It was like the seeing the Hobbit in 48p.

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HDR starts as a new mode for either "Movie" or "Standard", which ever of those two (and only those two work for HDR) that you were using before playing the HDR. The first time, and until you adjust them, the settings are at default even if you adjusted them before in SDR. So you might need to adjust the settings while, in HDR, to your liking. It might have sharpness or some other setting higher than you normal use it.
Thanks - I read the FAQ doc but must have missed the movie modes. I usually watch in a tweaked Natural mode, once I switched to Standard it looked great on UHD.

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This sounds like a streaming issue. Internet streams can be like the weather in spring, always changing - but usually stabilizing after a moment or two. And UHD streams, of course, require more umph than HD 1080.

As for HDR not looking better than SDR, and sometimes looking worse, remember 4K does require a stronger internet stream; but that aside, my experience is that HDR is a subtle difference, at best.

I've gone as far as to keep a non-HDR 4K Amazon Fire handy for times when that will actually work best. IMHO, HD 1080 and Dolby 5.1 surround sound is still a great, and reliable, home theater format. I advocate 4K (and immersive surround formats), but my experience with all of that "cutting edge" equipment is that there is still much work to be done. I'm eying 2020 before we see anything finalized as a standard beyond HD/5.1, but I am staying tuned. Pun intended.
I did notice that - that it would look poor and then snap to a sharper picture. The above mentioned to change to Standard or Movie mode, that provided the clarity advertised. I agree, 1080 looks amazing on this set and 4K/HDR look similar.
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I've had the receiver for a while and never had any similar issue before I bought the ks8000 (and the k8500), so I don't think the receiver is the culprit. Also, CEC is a requirement on the receiver for ARC, so I can't really disable it as I'd lose audio from the smart TV apps. Nobody else has had issues like this?
Same thing happens here on my Pio SC-95. I have an Oppo 203 with two HDMI outputs, the second carrying audio [only] to the BD input of the receiver. I have to return the receiver repeatedly to the BD input as it keeps switching to the TV. Turning off CEC solves the problem, but creates a host of other inconveniences. I also see the TV default to TV sound, and I can't figure out how to stop that either.
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Hope this filters down to the 2016 KS8xx and KS9xx.
I would like that too but there's a disincentive for Samsung to do that: they have to test and release it for our models plus it discourages you from upgrading to the 2017 model!

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I've had the receiver for a while and never had any similar issue before I bought the ks8000 (and the k8500), so I don't think the receiver is the culprit. Also, CEC is a requirement on the receiver for ARC, so I can't really disable it as I'd lose audio from the smart TV apps. Nobody else has had issues like this?
I've seen it on Denon but was able to change the setting for "TV Audio Switching". Perhaps your model has a similar setting?

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