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**OFFICIAL** 2016 Sony X850D Series TV Thread

This thread is for all 2016 Sony X850D Series TV owners to post observations, comments, and questions.

Sony X850D Series TV Links:

TV Link: http://www.sony.com/electronics/tele...r-x850d-series
Manuals: http://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model-...=3#/manualsTab

Specifications

Link: http://www.sony.com/electronics/tele...specifications

Series/Model #: X850D
Type: 4K HDR
OS: Android TV

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Screen Size: 55", 65", 75", 85"
Resolution: 4K Ultra HD (3840 x 2160)
Panel: 10 bit
Panel Type: IPS
LED Backlight: Edge LED
Dimming Technology: Frame Dimming
Native Refresh Rate: 120 Hz
Motion Rate: Motionflow XR 960

Features
- Triluminos Display
- 4K X1 Processor
- 4K X-Reality PRO Upscaling
- Google Cast built in
- Playstation Now
- S-Force Front Surround
- Clear Audio +
- Clear Phase Frequencies

Audio
Sound Output: Dolby Digital/Dolby Digital Plus/Dolby Pulse
Power Output: 10W+10W
Speaker Type: Front Firing

Product Reviews

Rtings - http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850d
Flat Panels HD - http://flatpanelshd.com/review.php?s...&id=1462946905

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If anyone would like additional information posted, please let me know and I'll add it to the first post.

Link to initial anticipation thread: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...-xbr-850d.html

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I just picked up my 55" XBR-X850D on Saturday from Best Buy. I am thrilled with the TV so far. My only complaint is, unfortunately with Charter Spectrum there is no partnership with Android TV and HBO Go, MAX Go or Showtime Anytime. Just that specific combination. If I had Comcast as a cable TV provider my Android TV would support those services. I get those services through my computer and my Roku device. It's an Android TV/Charter Spectrum specific deal, or non-deal would be more accurate.

I haven't really spent much time on AVS Forum in several years. I remember that people used to often share TV Picture settings, for those of us who haven't been able to get our TV's properly calibrated. I know that what works for one person might not work for another, but it's often a good starting point for tweaking the picture of your TV. I could certainly use some help in this regard. If any XBR-X850D owner is feeling generous, I'd love to know what you're running for picture settings. For now, I've started off with the calibration settings used by rtings.com during their review of the 850D, but I didn't use any of their gamma/gain settings because those are obviously very independent of each TV/Panel regardless of being the same model or not. It was a decent start, but I think I could do much better.

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outsiderwv: Curious, do you own one of these sets?

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Considering purchasing a 75 inch Sony. What is the difference between the XBR75X850C and 850D. I know the 850C has the 3D feature. What other differences are there? The price of the 850C has dropped significantly so I wonder if there is a good reason to consider the 850D.
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@viper....I ordered and it should be delivered tomorrow. I'll post impressions once I get it setup.
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Thanks to outsiderwv for setting up this official thread.

I am considering upgrading my home theater after nearly eight years. I have a final generation 60 inch Pioneer Kuro and love it dearly but 4K resolution and HDR are intriguing. I am seriously considering the 85 inch Sony XBR 850D. I will also need to upgrade my HT receiver and DVR but those are stories for another day.

I will be sitting about nine feet from the display. I assume that would be close enough, in the case of an 85 inch screen, for me to benefit from the increased resolution of 4K. Would appreciate any thoughts anyone might have to share on this issue.

On to the specifics of the 850D. I read the rtings.com review and it didn't bother me much. It criticized the 850D's poor black levels for those watching in a darkened room. It also said, however that in a normally lighted room black levels were fine. Although the black levels on my Kuro have been state of the art, I routinely watch TV, even Blu-ray movies, in a normally lighted room. Even so, my Kuro has handled darkly lighted scenes well enough to allow me to follow what is going on despite the low light. I don't want to buy an 850D and find that I can't follow the action in scenes with low light. Can anybody shine some light on this issue? (Pun intended. )

The review also downgraded the 850D's handling of HDR. That wouldn't be a deal breaker for me though because until recently I didn't know what HDR was.

The excellent score the 850D received in the motion blur test impressed me. The weakest aspect of my Kuro's PQ is its susceptibility to motion blur. It can be annoying on occasion. That's a good lesson, though. Any TV, even one that was the best in its day is not perfect, so compromises will have to be made no matter what I buy next.

Finally, although some of the Sony products I have owned have been less that stellar, the three Sony TVs I have owned have been stellar. The most recent was a 32 inch XBR, which I have owned for 10 years and still use to this day. Thus, I am favorably disposed to the the new XBR 850D.

Anxiously looking forward to hearing from any of you with ideas about my issues. Thanks for the use of the hall.
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This thread is for all 2016 Sony X850D Series TV owners to post observations, comments, and questions.


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Screen Size: 55", 65", 75", 85"
Resolution: 4K Ultra HD (3840 x 2160)
Panel: 10 bit
Panel Type: IPS
LED Backlight: Edge LED
Dimming Technology: Frame Dimming
Native Refresh Rate: 120 Hz
Motion Rate: Motionflow XR 960
The 55" and 65" have been confirmed as having an IPS pixel structure.
Who has confirmed the 75" and 85" pixel structure?

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The 55" and 65" have been confirmed as having an IPS pixel structure.
Who has confirmed the 75" and 85" pixel structure?
Apparently, the 85 inch 850D has not yet started shipping. Don't know about the 75 inch.
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Apparently, the 85 inch 850D has not yet started shipping. Don't know about the 75 inch.
There has been speculation and no confirmations (that I've seen) regarding what pixel structure is used on the 850D 75" and 85".
So I'm wondering where the OP got the spec that was listed.

We know that all sizes of the 850C series were VA panels and that the 850D 55" and 65" are IPS.
Oddly, the Sony spec for viewing angle for the 850C was 178 (89/89) and the same exact spec is listed for all sizes of the 850D.
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There has been speculation and no confirmations (that I've seen) regarding what pixel structure is used on the 850D 75" and 85".
So I'm wondering where the OP got the spec that was listed.

We know that all sizes of the 850C series were VA panels and that the 850D 55" and 65" are IPS.
Oddly, the Sony spec for viewing angle for the 850C was 178 (89/89) and the same exact spec is listed for all sizes of the 850D.
Specs were gathered from current information. If the panel changes for the 75/85", please let me know and I'll update the first post. It is simply meant as a means to collect information that may be beneficial for owners. FYI, I finally got my set setup and I'll try to get some impressions up once I have had some time to mess with it.
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I have the 55" 850D, and just wanted to let the other owners know that there was an Android update today. I haven't been able to find any release notes, so I have no idea what the upgrade did, but I will say that it took about 15-20 minutes to complete. It was very much like an Android mobile device upgrade. Once the upgrade completes, Android then "optimizes" all installed apps, which takes a good bit of time.
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I have the 55" 850D, and just wanted to let the other owners know that there was an Android update today. I haven't been able to find any release notes, so I have no idea what the upgrade did, but I will say that it took about 15-20 minutes to complete. It was very much like an Android mobile device upgrade. Once the upgrade completes, Android then "optimizes" all installed apps, which takes a good bit of time.

Thank you for the heads up! Unfortunately, they haven't fixed the issue with the Amazon App outputting 2.0 instead of 5.1.
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I am loving the picture quality on my 55" X850D. Blacks are deep and uniform, even in a dark room. I have seen better, of course, but I would never call these black levels poor quality. This X850D is replacing a 2008 46" 4100Z from Sony, so this is my first smart TV and obviously my first UHD television. I really didn't stay up to date on all of the emerging technologies over the last few years, so I'm sure I'll have questions popping up from time to time...so thank you for creating this owner's thread!

Could someone please set the record straight on 4K/UHD HDMI cables? For instance, I see that this TV supports HDR and I've read that HDMI 2.0a will support HDR. I've been trying my best Google-Fu to learn what I can and check prices, etc. I don't see anything designated as 2.0a on monoprices or anywhere else really. Forgive my ignorance, but what would be the best course of action for now? Are 2.0a cables coming out soon or will regular 2.0 cables handle the 2.0a spec?
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There has been speculation and no confirmations (that I've seen) regarding what pixel structure is used on the 850D 75" and 85".
So I'm wondering where the OP got the spec that was listed.

We know that all sizes of the 850C series were VA panels and that the 850D 55" and 65" are IPS.
Oddly, the Sony spec for viewing angle for the 850C was 178 (89/89) and the same exact spec is listed for all sizes of the 850D.
That's interesting because I don't see any 85" IPS panels being made, and I have my doubts Sony commissioned one for this set. I also have doubts a VA panel can have similar viewing angles as IPS. So, something must be off about the listed specs.

That said, I was hyped about the 85" model, but the more I think about the uniformity nightmare that is edge-lighting across 85" of set, the more I think it's not going to be the set for me. I very much look forward to any reviews of the actual unit when they ship. I have a feeling any reviews of the lower sized units are not going to correlate to the 85-incher's performance.

I'll remain hopeful that Sony works some magic on the 85" set to make it exceptional, as I believe this is the only flat panel in its size class this year and it'd be awesome if it were!
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Thank you for the heads up! Unfortunately, they haven't fixed the issue with the Amazon App outputting 2.0 instead of 5.1.
That's because I don't think it's an issue for them. It's by design.
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Thank you for the heads up! Unfortunately, they haven't fixed the issue with the Amazon App outputting 2.0 instead of 5.1.
That's because I don't think it's an issue for them. It's by design.
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I have the 55" 850D, and just wanted to let the other owners know that there was an Android update today. I haven't been able to find any release notes, so I have no idea what the upgrade did, but I will say that it took about 15-20 minutes to complete. It was very much like an Android mobile device upgrade. Once the upgrade completes, Android then "optimizes" all installed apps, which takes a good bit of time.

I got the update for my 65X850D today also and it did fix my issue with Kodi not performing the audio passthrough correctly for movies. It used to just output a clicking noise when I tried passthrough. Now it works correctly. Still running Android 5.1.1 though...

The update version is PKG3.395.0105NAB as indicated by Home>Settings>Help.

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That's because I don't think it's an issue for them. It's by design.
You might be right, but I doubt that it is design. It doesn't make sense to limit Amazon to 2.0 while other apps get 5.1. Especially when Amazon states that the app is supposed to output 5.1 on Sony TVs. Although it isn't updated for the 2016 D models, the 2015 C models are clearly listed, yet they don't get it either.

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Sony's website currently shows the sony xbr 850d having active 3d, does this mean sony decided to add it back in, or was it an error on their behalf and the 850d really has no 3d?
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That's interesting because I don't see any 85" IPS panels being made, and I have my doubts Sony commissioned one for this set. I also have doubts a VA panel can have similar viewing angles as IPS. So, something must be off about the listed specs.
That was my point, that someone had already posted that they didn't see any 85" IPS panels currently being produced.
So until someone inspects the 850D 85" panel, the panel type is unknown, as is the 75".

As far as the viewing angle specs shown on Sony web pages for various models, they are nonsensical.
It is not a viewing angle spec that a review would cite. Even for the 830C which is IPS they show the same viewing angle spec of 178 (89/89) that they use for other VA panel models.

What the Sony spec claims is that someone would watch the display from just 1 degree off of the side view.

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Sony's website currently shows the sony xbr 850d having active 3d, does this mean sony decided to add it back in, or was it an error on their behalf and the 850d really has no 3d?
The specs only show active 3D on the 55". Not the 65" or 75". That looks odd to me.
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According to Amazon the 85 inch model of the 850D can be ordered now for delivery between May 18 and June 10. There's no telling how accurate that estimate is, of course, but that's what Amazon is telling us.
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Hello all!

Just joined the forums and wanted to post about my experience this weekend with the Sony XBR850D. I have been a Sony Fanboy for a long time and wanted to love this TV so much...but I could not. I went with the 75' model and set it up, with a viewing distance of about 14ft, and tested it with cable (aronis dvr box from Verizon), a PS4 as well as an Xbox one. Overall the picture quality was very dull and no matter how Vivid or customized the settings were the blacks were very poor and overall soft nature of the screen made the content appear overly dark. (I apologize in advance if I am missing key AV terms to describe certain things but I will do my best.) The quality of the colors (especially reds) was great but i could not get passed the poor black and grey balance.


The next issue I had was with the edge lighting. I have seen some other posters comment on this and I unfortunately experienced the edge lit bleeding first hand. With all the lights out and watching a movie with some seriously dark scenes the black light bled through in the bottom and top right to a point where it was difficult to watch and enjoy. The biggest test for me was streaming the Daredevil Season 2 Staircase fight scene on Saturday evening. With 4 people in the room everyone was straining to see the action as it was so dark.

Sunday morning with some light flowing in we noticed the quality to be significantly better. For us the HDR mode was gorgeous but still rather dark. Vivid appeared to be the fan favorite as it milked all the brightness possible. Cinema Home was touted as the 4k master quality option and it was amazing when using a 4k video player with a 4k movie. Unfortunately that was the only time I felt wowed and with the amount of non 4k content I consumed on a daily basis it was not enough to save the TV.

This whole experience came from a big box store that pushes Sony so hard they go out of their way to hide other brands of TV. I say this because on Sunday when went to return this model I discovered the Vizio p75-c1 that was just released with full array, Dolby vision, HDR and more. I highly recommend reading the Rtings.com review and I can verify it is that good. I receive that TV tomorrow and hopefully will have a better experience.
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Hello all!

Just joined the forums and wanted to post about my experience this weekend with the Sony XBR850D. I have been a Sony Fanboy for a long time and wanted to love this TV so much...but I could not. I went with the 75' model and set it up, with a viewing distance of about 14ft, and tested it with cable (aronis dvr box from Verizon), a PS4 as well as an Xbox one. Overall the picture quality was very dull and no matter how Vivid or customized the settings were the blacks were very poor and overall soft nature of the screen made the content appear overly dark. (I apologize in advance if I am missing key AV terms to describe certain things but I will do my best.) The quality of the colors (especially reds) was great but i could not get passed the poor black and grey balance.


The next issue I had was with the edge lighting. I have seen some other posters comment on this and I unfortunately experienced the edge lit bleeding first hand. With all the lights out and watching a movie with some seriously dark scenes the black light bled through in the bottom and top right to a point where it was difficult to watch and enjoy. The biggest test for me was streaming the Daredevil Season 2 Staircase fight scene on Saturday evening. With 4 people in the room everyone was straining to see the action as it was so dark.

Sunday morning with some light flowing in we noticed the quality to be significantly better. For us the HDR mode was gorgeous but still rather dark. Vivid appeared to be the fan favorite as it milked all the brightness possible. Cinema Home was touted as the 4k master quality option and it was amazing when using a 4k video player with a 4k movie. Unfortunately that was the only time I felt wowed and with the amount of non 4k content I consumed on a daily basis it was not enough to save the TV.

This whole experience came from a big box store that pushes Sony so hard they go out of their way to hide other brands of TV. I say this because on Sunday when went to return this model I discovered the Vizio p75-c1 that was just released with full array, Dolby vision, HDR and more. I highly recommend reading the Rtings.com review and I can verify it is that good. I receive that TV tomorrow and hopefully will have a better experience.
I am sorry to hear this. I can tell you my experience has been completely opposite yours with a bright picture, vibrant colors, and never difficult to watch, even in my living room with 10 windows. Good luck with your Vizio.
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I am sorry to hear this. I can tell you my experience has been completely opposite yours with a bright picture, vibrant colors, and never difficult to watch, even in my living room with 10 windows. Good luck with your Vizio.
Same here. I get a plenty enough bright picture with great color. The screen is almost "matte" like which makes it extremely easy to watch with minimal reflections in my living space as well.
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Same here. I get a plenty enough bright picture with great color. The screen is almost "matte" like which makes it extremely easy to watch with minimal reflections in my living space as well.
The Sony just had a soft look to it and using the recommended calibration from the site i still could not get it to a point where i was really wowed. i have high ceilings and 4 skylights and the picture was just not handling it. it could have been that i received a bad model as i did have very intense white bleeding in the top and bottom right from the edge lighting i am assuming.
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You might be right, but I doubt that it is design. It doesn't make sense to limit Amazon to 2.0 while other apps get 5.1. Especially when Amazon states that the app is supposed to output 5.1 on Sony TVs. Although it isn't updated for the 2016 D models, the 2015 C models are clearly listed, yet they don't get it either.

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I can confirmed that Amazon does output 5.1 on my 65x900B which is a 2014 model. Although the 2014's don't have android TV - they use Sony's own system.
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Specs were gathered from current information. If the panel changes for the 75/85", please let me know and I'll update the first post. It is simply meant as a means to collect information that may be beneficial for owners. FYI, I finally got my set setup and I'll try to get some impressions up once I have had some time to mess with it.
The 850D in 75" is an IPS pixel structure, I looked at one today. The 850D 85" pixel structure is still unknown.
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Any Canadian owners out there using X850D with Bell or Rogers 4K TV? I am interested in hearing how the set performance is with Sports.
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