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Kaleidescape reopened a couple of weeks after it closed but with a reduced staff. Even while it was closed, the Kscape store, which is automated, was still selling and allowing the downloading of films. Then, early this week, the company announced that the new version of its OS is ready to go and will be rolled out by the end of the month. Heretofore, the Strato has been unable to handle HDR, so the only version of 4K films available from the Kscape store has been 4K only, no HDR. Supposedly, with the advent of the new OS, the Strato will be able to handle HDR and the Kscape Store will start selling 4K HDR films. Anyway, things are looking up and seem to be better.

Nobody outside the Kscape Inner Circle has any idea how the management managed to make deals to reopen the doors but they did it. So far, so good. The tragedy about this is that the Strato is a great product but one, which at its price point, the company can't expect to sell in massive quantities. I don't know what Kscape's business model is but until their recent unfortunateness, they had been around for years and had a great reputation. I really, really hope hey succeed.

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I chose to use an optical audio cable out to my Denon receiver because I experienced some problems when I set up ARC and then tried to play some programming recorded on my Dish DVR the next morning. It essentially said something in the chain was not HDCP-compliant. I undid the ARC settings, and everything worked fine. I concluded that in my set-up, I would either have to do that every time in the same situation, or I could run an optical out.
I bought my 940D from a local AV dealer, so his tech setup everything for me. Don't know what he did but ARC has worked well with my Yamaha RX-A3060 receiver. The biggest problem with using ARC is that there is no video HDMI connection between the TV and the receiver. This means that I must get information the receiver puts out on its face or via an iOS app rather than an onscreen display. The receiver handles all of the audio stuff just fine, though.

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I just checked on whether Fury is available in 4K HDR on Ultra and concluded that it does not have HDR. First, the info page for Fury does not list HDR, nor does the information displayed by pressing the down arrow while the film is running. In both cases it just says "4K." Second, I compared the Ultra version with the version on my Strato, which I know to be 4K only, and saw no difference whatever between it and the version available on the Ultra site.
I got the 4K UHD streaming copy of Fury from the Sony $120 promotion when I got the TV, but for some reason got a code to buy from Amazon instead of through Ultra. The Amazon 4K UHD of Fury is HDR. I would be very surprised if the Ultra version wasn't, but I guess it is possible.

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I got the 4K UHD streaming copy of Fury from the Sony $120 promotion when I got the TV, but for some reason got a code to buy from Amazon instead of through Ultra. The Amazon 4K UHD of Fury is HDR. I would be very surprised if the Ultra version wasn't, but I guess it is possible.
After reading your post I checked my Amazon UHD version of Fury and I see they still have the distracting "gray bars."

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After reading your post I checked my Amazon UHD version of Fury and I see they still have the distracting "gray bars."
Yeah, that is really upsetting to me, except that I have the Samsung UHD player now so I can watch Amazon stuff there.

I wasted a 1/2 a day with Amazon support trying to report the problem with letterboxed HDR material and actually got to the point of them asking me to send them screen shots. But they gave me multiple email addresses to send them to that didn't accept email so I finally gave up.

It is a bug in the Sony app for HDR material that is not 16:9. When the app inserts bars they are gray. Some material (like The Tick and SALT) is encoded with the black bars and therefore looks fine.

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Did you notice that while you can turn motion flow in HDR gaming off, cinemotion can't be changed from high? I can change it fine watching hdr movies or streaming so that's weird
No, I can turn both off. I was just hoping for some other way without having to constantly be flipping settings since there is only one HDR mode which also gets invoked on Netflix and other HDR content.
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No, I can turn both off. I was just hoping for some other way without having to constantly be flipping settings since there is only one HDR mode which also gets invoked on Netflix and other HDR content.
Replying to myself since I am mistaken. I cannot turn of cinemotion, it keeps resetting to high.
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Yeah, that is really upsetting to me, except that I have the Samsung UHD player now so I can watch Amazon stuff there.

I wasted a 1/2 a day with Amazon support trying to report the problem with letterboxed HDR material and actually got to the point of them asking me to send them screen shots. But they gave me multiple email addresses to send them to that didn't accept email so I finally gave up.

It is a bug in the Sony app for HDR material that is not 16:9. When the app inserts bars they are gray. Some material (like The Tick and SALT) is encoded with the black bars and therefore looks fine.
Do you happen to know if the upcoming Oppo 4K UHD player will have the Amazon App? I have the Philips player now but I may be getting the Oppo too.

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On the ULTRA app, Fury is 4K HDR. The bars are also showing up black on my TV ( I assume you are referring to the bars above and below the picture). These bars are gray if there is an overlay present, like when paused. but pitch black when the movie is playing.

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Do you happen to know if the upcoming Oppo 4K UHD player will have the Amazon App? I have the Philips player now but I may be getting the Oppo too.
No apps at all at release.
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Do you happen to know if the upcoming Oppo 4K UHD player will have the Amazon App? I have the Philips player now but I may be getting the Oppo too.
Although I plan to buy an Oppo UDP-203 when it is released, I hadn't thought about which if any apps it might have. My 940D's Android TV has become my default app player. Why not use your 940D for Amazon? It has worked very well for me.

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Why not use your 940D for Amazon? It has worked very well for me.
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No Dolby Digital. Stereo only.
Not only is there no Dolby Digital, but some of the UHD movies (such as Fury which was mentioned above) have GRAY letter-boxed bars using the Amazon App on the 940D, but they are black when using that same App on another device. Other than those two things, I am happy with the Apps on my Sony.
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Has anyone tried the new HDR Roku for Amazon video? I just hooked mine up last night but haven't had a chance to try. Wonder if it might be a better option for 4k Amazon content? The obvious benefit being we get multichannel audio via HDMI to avr/processor.

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Contemplating 940D purchase. Need to know if HDR gaming on consoles is a go or not concerning lag input.
I believe I read the new Z9 is fine with HDR gaming lag-wise. But need to know if 940D suffers same HDR game mode problems as the 2015 reportly models do with high input lag with HDR active.

Simply, is HDR console gaming a full go or not on the 940D?
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No Dolby Digital. Stereo only.
Not only is there no Dolby Digital, but some of the UHD movies (such as Fury which was mentioned above) have GRAY letter-boxed bars using the Amazon App on the 940D, but they are black when using that same App on another device. Other than those two things, I am happy with the Apps on my Sony.
Does z9d have this same issue too?
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Does z9d have this same issue too?
I have no idea. I would ask that question in the Z9D Owners Thread.
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Does z9d have this same issue too?
The Z9D has native support for DD+ over ARC, however...the app determines what is available as far as sound and let's just say the Amazon Android TV app employed by Sony is a little "lacking" at the moment and therefore I believe it has the same limitations on both TVs.

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Not only is there no Dolby Digital, but some of the UHD movies (such as Fury which was mentioned above) have GRAY letter-boxed bars using the Amazon App on the 940D, but they are black when using that same App on another device. Other than those two things, I am happy with the Apps on my Sony.
I am wondering if the version of Fury that is in my UV and Ultra libraries is UHD only and there is another version that is UHD HDR. I just took another look at my copy of Fury on Ultra and the information page does not say that it is UHD HDR. Instead it says "4K UHD." Further, the black of the letterbox is inky black, the same color as the paint on the 940D's bezel. The picture is beautiful but I see no indication that it is UHD HDR. I should add that the 4k HDR titles on both Amazon and Netflix, clearly indicate in the information for each HDR title that they are indeed HDR, leaving me to conclude that my copy of Fury is not an HDR title.

I should add that the information page for Ghostbusters on the Ultra site expressly says, "4K UHD HDR." Also, if there is indeed a version of Fury in 4K UHD HDR available on the Ultra site, shouldn't' there be a listing for it there?

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I am wondering if the version of Fury that is in my UV and Ultra libraries is UHD only and there is another version that is UHD HDR. I just took another look at my copy of Fury on Ultra and the information page does not say that it is UHD HDR. Instead it says "4K UHD." Further, the black of the letterbox is inky black, the same color as the paint on the 940D's bezel. The picture is beautiful but I see no indication that it is UHD HDR. I should add that the 4k HDR titles on both Amazon and Netflix, clearly indicate in the information for each HDR title that they are indeed HDR, leaving me to conclude that my copy of Fury is not an HDR title.

I should add that the information page for Ghostbusters on the Ultra site expressly says, "4K UHD HDR." Also, if there is indeed a version of Fury in 4K UHD HDR available on the Ultra site, shouldn't' there be a listing for it there?
It's on the info page.
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It's on the info page.
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Thanks for checking it out and posting the info, guys, I appreciate it. For whatever reason, my non HDR version of Fury is the only one available to me on the Ultra site. I hope that the Kaleidescape Store gets the HDR version when the next version of the OS is rolled out, reportedly sometime this month.

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I have my GTX 1080 video card on my PC connected via HDMI directly to the 940D. Do I need to change the HDMI to 'enhanced' here? Or change any settings on NVIDIA control panel?

Side note, I have PC, PS4 connected to TV (behind wall cables) and 1 HDMI cable between TV and Receiver (ARC). No problems so far. Have been using the TV apps (amazon, HBOGO, Netflix) with great picture. Is there any benefit in using a fire stick or another source for the apps?

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Now about 1 week w/ the set. Picture quality of UHD is phenomenal. Even w/ HD the black levels are better than any set I've owned. I just wish more satellite channels had UHD content. I have to upgrade my internet next so I can start streaming 4k content. Still need tweaking settings to get better whites though, seemed a little off for my taste. While I haven't noted trailing/smearing w/motion, I do see artifacts on HD and UHD content. Have settings of motion flow to smooth and tried cinemotion medium and high. Movie was Life of Pi for UHD and and one of the Bourne movies on satellite. Bourne movie to me seemed almost unwatchable. Also, is it normal for the set to give message it's conntecting to directtv server every time i turn it on (w/ directtv of course)? The box is one and it should instantly load the channel but it seems to hang for a bit. Finally, I noted a dead pixel I presume towards the top notable only w/ bright background. It's like a flipped comma shape and I may have to exchange the set since I keep looking that way in bright scenes now .
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I have my GTX 1080 video card on my PC connected via HDMI directly to the 940D. Do I need to change the HDMI to 'enhanced' here? Or change any settings on NVIDIA control panel?

Side note, I have PC, PS4 connected to TV (behind wall cables) and 1 HDMI cable between TV and Receiver (ARC). No problems so far. Have been using the TV apps (amazon, HBOGO, Netflix) with great picture. Is there any benefit in using a fire stick or another source for the apps?

Thanks!
I have the same PC setup.. In the TV, set the HDMI signal format to Enhanced. Note that if you have a receiver in the loop, you may also have to set it to Enhanced as well (in my case it was a different "HDMI Mode" on my Yamaha RX-A760). After you set the TV HDMI to enhanced and it reboots, you'll then have different color/RGB options in the nVidia control panel to choose from.
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I have my GTX 1080 video card on my PC connected via HDMI directly to the 940D. Do I need to change the HDMI to 'enhanced' here? Or change any settings on NVIDIA control panel?

Side note, I have PC, PS4 connected to TV (behind wall cables) and 1 HDMI cable between TV and Receiver (ARC). No problems so far. Have been using the TV apps (amazon, HBOGO, Netflix) with great picture. Is there any benefit in using a fire stick or another source for the apps?

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You also have to have the 940D set to either 'Graphics' or 'Game' mode to get the crisp 4:4:4 color when connected to a nV 9 or 10 series card.

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Well, this TV is officially driving me insane. My 5th one arrived the day before I left on vacation, so I'm now just checking it out and watching content on it. There's a bright spot just to the left of center that's bothering me when watching content (I notice it most often when watching hockey games), but now, for the second time, I can't get my 3D glasses to pair with the TV.

1st TV - glasses pair
2nd TV - glasses pair
3rd TV - glasses pair
4th TV - glasses don't pair
5th TV - glasses don't pair

I have 4 pairs of TDG-BT500A, two of which I used for the first 3 TVs without problems (well, just the first time, when I didn't realize you had to have 3D content playing in order to pair them), but neither pair worked with the 4th TV, so I opened a new pair for that TV, and it didn't work, either. The 3 pairs don't work with the 5th TV, either.

Has anyone had problems where their glasses just won't pair, even though you're doing everything right? I'm trying to troubleshoot this today and tomorrow, because I have until Monday to exchange the set (#6... woohoo...). Is there any way I can test things on the TV to determine why these glasses wouldn't be working?

I took a look, and BT is turned on, which the glasses need, there's a 3D signal being registered by the TV (notice shows on screen, and in menu), but the glasses just won't work.
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I am interested in this tv but am worried about seeing the smearing effect while watching hockey. Could some of you watch hockey and tell me if you can see this effect.
If this doesn't workout I was thinking about getting the 65" sony Z, but it's cost $1000 more than the 75" 940d.
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Hi. I've had my 940d for a few weeks now and love it.

I saw a bunch of people posting about the live football mode. I found that when you turned this setting on it flipped the picture to sport mode. What I did was went in and updated sport mode with all of AustinJerry's settings but left the Motion settings as is (the defaults are pretty much what AustinJerry details in his notes if you actually use the motion settings). I have not noticed much of a difference when I turn it on now but I know when I had the motion settings set on my old Vizio M it made for a better live sports experience. I turn the live football feature on now for all live sports (again after tweaking it) and have no negative effects. So again if you don't want the negative effects some people have posted on this mode go in and tweak you sport picture settings to whatever settings you use for normal viewing but don't adjust the motion section.

Questions I have:

1: Enhanced Mode HDMI setting. Does it hurt to turn this to Enhanced if you're not plugging in a 4K content source? I have Comcast X1 cable box and apple tv 4th gen right now as sources.

2: I may have missed it but has anyone had experience Dynamic range setting for the HDMI inputs? Looks like it's on Auto out of the box. Is there better expected viewing if set to full or limited?

3: I saw the post about HDR auto switching on / off and if you check it on some content it pauses and others it stops the video thus showing the picture mode not in HDR. Do you know if this is the same with YouTube 4KUDH / HDR videos? I don't think my TV ever has switched to HDR mode using the YouTupe tv app but it does in the Amazon tv app. Also, if I manually switch to HDR picture mode in YouTube during UHD/HDR video the picture is way better. (note I have consistent download speed range of over 90 -130 over wife and 110-150 with all my hardwired devices which my 940d is hardwired so that shouldn't be an issue).

I'm guessing that for questions 1 and 2 those configurations have no effects when using the internal apps, such as amazon, youtube, netflix, etc..

Thanks in advance and look forward to some responses. I'm hoping to see AustinJerry back soon and hoping he took down his link to settings because he's refining them for all of us that are using them.

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I am interested in this tv but am worried about seeing the smearing effect while watching hockey. Could some of you watch hockey and tell me if you can see this effect.
If this doesn't workout I was thinking about getting the 65" sony Z, but it's cost $1000 more than the 75" 940d.
I watched some of the World Cup of hockey and yes smearing was annoying on my set. It's pretty much annoying on everything I watch that has fast moving objects.
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