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Has anyone that has the x940D watched any 3D movies with the set? What Glasses do you have or would recommend. Also, what are some of your favorite 3D movies. I love all the Comic book movies.
I tried it last night with 3D with some Samsung glasses I have from a 3D plasma. I just watched about 30 minutes of Guardians of the Galaxy. I have a few more 3D movies that I'll try today. So far I think it's good at 3D, but my plasma set may be better.
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I counted 80. I was hoping someone else would give it shot
80 would be less than the 940c. hmmm

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80 would be less than the 940c. hmmm
Viper, do you happen to remember how many zones they counted for the 940C when it 1st came out, wasn't it around 96? Then they finally found out it was 128 if I remember correctly
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Viper, do you happen to remember how many zones they counted for the 940C when it 1st came out, wasn't it around 96? Then they finally found out it was 128 if I remember correctly


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80 would be less than the 940c. hmmm
Viper, do you happen to remember how many zones they counted for the 940C when it 1st came out, wasn't it around 96? Then they finally found out it was 128 if I remember correctly
I used there revised method and came up with 10 columns and 8 rows. I could be off
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Fwiw I also measured peak output and got right at 900 nits
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What are the thoughts of using "auto local dimming"? Reason I ask is as I reported, I have some minor clouding on my set, while watching content I don't notice it, but when changing input or loading something on my PC I get the black screen where the clouding is a bit more noticeable. Since it does not impact too much normal viewing, I ran some tests and when I have Auto Local Dimming on, even at low settings, most if not all the clouding on a solid black screen almost goes away, putting the setting on high completely eliminates it and I can't even see the clouding at all.

But it is something I never used too much in the past and just wanted to get people input on using this feature and possible drawbacks of using it. Still very happy with my set, I guess when you spend this much and you have some slight clouding it bothers me a little, but as mentioned during movie playblack or gaming I don't notice it..but it's one of those things that you know its there. lol. I am still very happy that I have not uniformity issues in regards to banding or issues with darkened corners etc.
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Anyone? I think this got lost in all the fighting over HDR and Dolby Vision. Can anyone weigh in on thoughts of using Auto Local Dimming?
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Viper, do you happen to remember how many zones they counted for the 940C when it 1st came out, wasn't it around 96? Then they finally found out it was 128 if I remember correctly
Seems like it was 82 or 84 not at home right now to look. I had it bookmarked at one time.

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I tried it last night with 3D with some Samsung glasses I have from a 3D plasma. I just watched about 30 minutes of Guardians of the Galaxy. I have a few more 3D movies that I'll try today. So far I think it's good at 3D, but my plasma set may be better.
Can you comment on the crosstalk? Are the images in the foreground and background blur or sharp?

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Seems like it was 82 or 84 not at home right now to look. I had it bookmarked at one time.

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Thanks, could not remember off the top of my head. Friday evening I will give this a shot and see what I get.
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So, how many owners here have actually experienced the ghosting that has been discussed the last few pages and was that ever an issue on the 940C? If this is something that is going to be an inherent problem on the 940D I may look into picking up a 940C before they're all gone.
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Getting my 940D delivered tomorrow! Excited! It is replacing the Panasonic 65ZT60 which is a great TV. I just wanted a bigger size! Hope I get a good one and no defects. I have no 4K sources at this point! Just DIRECTV & Oppo Blu-ray (103D) and an Apple TV. I wonder if the Samsung 4K Blu-ray would be satisfactory purchase & source? I read in a review it was good but the Top Panasonic had a better Blu-ray picture and I would not doubt the Oppo had a better Blu-Ray picture too than the Samsung! But of course advantage is you could do true 4K movies with HDR with the Samsung and stream Netflix & Amazon in 4K. I do wish Oppo or Sony had a 4K player out right now! I will test it with 1080P Blu-rays and DIRECTV tomorrow and let everyone know the results!
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So, how many owners here have actually experienced the ghosting that has been discussed the last few pages and was that ever an issue on the 940C? If this is something that is going to be an inherent problem on the 940D I may look into picking up a 940C before they're all gone.
I have not experienced that as of yet. I have watched a few movies, TV shows, basketball and gaming on both console and PC and have not had that. I even watched the scene of Star Wars one of the others posters had a screen shot and I don't have anything like that. I am going to keep looking for it just to be 100% sure though. With the cost of the T.V. issues like that should not be happening and I want to be sure I have a good of a set as I can get while being in my return window just in case.
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Has anyone here owned the X940C and the X940D? I'm curious about what the real differences are in terms of actual picture quality between the two are.

Is there a difference in HDMI port bandwidth? The X940C was believed to have only 10gb ports, was that ever confirmed or debunked? Is there a difference in total-nit capability between the two? Sony's comparison tool on their site doesn't share a lot of details about the nitty-gritty stuff.

The value price on the X940C right now makes it appealing, and from a few reports on this thread about flimsier build quality on the X940D and potentially poorer performance due to the slimmer nature of the backlights, I'm wonder if it's smarter to jump on last year's model at a discount if the X940D's image processing guts, smart TV processor, and panel are identical to the X940C.

If, on the other hand, the X940D offers real benefits in terms of picture quality, future-compatibility, light-output, dimming-zones, etc, it could be worthwhile.
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I have not experienced that as of yet. I have watched a few movies, TV shows, basketball and gaming on both console and PC and have not had that. I even watched the scene of Star Wars one of the others posters had a screen shot and I don't have anything like that. I am going to keep looking for it just to be 100% sure though. With the cost of the T.V. issues like that should not be happening and I want to be sure I have a good of a set as I can get while being in my return window just in case.
I don't blame you one bit. If this is an inherent problem with the 940D it needs to be known about by anyone who has purchased one or is considering it. If the 940C doesn't have that issue I'm going to seriously consider going that route instead.
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Has anyone here owned the X940C and the X940D? I'm curious about what the real differences are in terms of actual picture quality between the two are.

Is there a difference in HDMI port bandwidth? The X940C was believed to have only 10gb ports, was that ever confirmed or debunked? Is there a difference in total-nit capability between the two? Sony's comparison tool on their site doesn't share a lot of details about the nitty-gritty stuff.

The value price on the X940C right now makes it appealing, and from a few reports on this thread about flimsier build quality on the X940D and potentially poorer performance due to the slimmer nature of the backlights, I'm wonder if it's smarter to jump on last year's model at a discount if the X940D's image processing guts, smart TV processor, and panel are identical to the X940C.

If, on the other hand, the X940D offers real benefits in terms of picture quality, future-compatibility, light-output, dimming-zones, etc, it could be worthwhile.
I think since both do HDR the 940d with FALD versus the x940c not having FALD (unless I am incorrect) I would think in the long run the 940d would be better. As far a build quality, I have not felt that build quality of the 940d is bad. It seems pretty damn well built, but I did not have any of last years Sony's so I can cannot compare directly, but in no way do I feel my 940d is cheap or anything like that.

I am eager to read a professional review or someone with proper calibration equipment to calibrate one of these. I can say, compared to my Panasonic 2015 850 4k Set that the 940d is providing a much better picture and the Panasonic 4k is no slouch.

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I think since both do HDR the 940d with FALD versus the x940c not having FALD (unless I am incorrect) I would think in the long run the 940d would be better. As far a build quality, I have not felt that build quality of the 940d is bad. It seems pretty damn well built, but I did not have any of last years Sony's so I can cannot compare directly, but in no way do I feel my 940d is cheap or anything like that.

I am eager to read a professional review or someone with proper calibration equipment to calibrate one of these. I can say, compared to my Panasonic 2015 850 4k Set that the 940d is providing a much better picture and the Panasonic 4k is no slouch.
The 940C was FALD just as the 940D is, you may be thinking the 930 series, both 930C and 930D are edge-lit.

I'm just wondering if Sony did anything more than remove the speakers and slim down the depth to make the 940D. I wouldn't ever use the built-in speakers, but they don't bug me, and I don't care if a TV is 3" or 3' deep if the picture quality is better.
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The 940C was FALD just as the 940D is, you may be thinking the 930 series, both 930C and 930D are edge-lit.



I'm just wondering if Sony did anything more than remove the speakers and slim down the depth to make the 940D. I wouldn't ever use the built-in speakers, but they don't bug me, and I don't care if a TV is 3" or 3' deep if the picture quality is better.


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He was just trying to stir things up. No matter if we have DV or not, Sony will always have better PQ than Vizio. It takes more than just adding support to make something great, like good panels, processing, motion, upscaling etc. I am pretty sure as all us Sony owners know we have the best of all that period.

Now let me go back and watch some more of my Superior Sony while the others play catch up
I see that you also have the LG 65EF9500 in your signature (as well as the 1080p 9300 LG OLED). Now that you've had the x940c and EF9500 for a while, what TV do you prefer watching? The Sony x940c or the LG OLED? Why?
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I do want to add and as a owner I feel that full disclosure of things, even if taken as a negative is what owners should be doing...with that said I do feel that at times there are some weird quirks with the 940d. So far, there are 3 that I would like to mention below:

1) When using my PC with this set is that Windows 10 detects the panel as 1980p native. I have the options to select 4k and it runs in 4k with no issues once set, but Windows does detect the panel as 1080p native for some reason. Even when using the Nvidia resolution screen it also detects it as Native 1080p. In certain games I have tested, when looking at the available resolutions, some of them list 3840x2160 as the native resolution from within the game, but others and the majority list 1080p as native. Again, TV runs perfectly fine in 4k and looks glorious, but still very odd. My 2 Previous Panasonic 4k sets (2014 & 2015) had no issues detecting them as native 4k even my first generation Sony 4k x900a my PC detects as native 4k albeit at 4:2:0 chroma since first generation Sony's 4k did not do 4k/60fp at full chroma. No questioning that the set is full 4k, but just an odd thing that the PC detects it the way it does.

2) The other oddity and this has more to do with the Android operating system is that I have had some weird lock ups, options refusing to load up or really laggy menu's. I once had the menu come up and hitting picture adjustments would just cause it to sit on the screen and do nothing. All of this went away after a Reset of the T.V.. I have also had some weird handshake issues where it took a bit longer to detect the signal. Not sure if this is due to my Denon receiver or just an oddity due to Android. I also found that having to change HDMI from Normal to enhanced is a bit odd. I am not sure why such an option is needed, what I do notice that if the HDMI is set to normal, my PC will only allow 4:2:0 chroma to be selected and no way to change it. Changing to enhanced I can change it to any chroma level, basically all selections available.

3) I have used an Antec Bias lighting strip on the back of all of my TV for the last 4 years. This strip is powered by the USB port on the TV. I have used the same brand/model lighting strip on my Sony 1080p 65" Screen, Sony x900a 4k Set, 2014 65" Panasonic 4k and 2015 Panasonic 4k and with all of them the LED light strip turns on when the TV turns on and they turn off when the TV turns off. On the 1080p Sony, when turning it off, it turns off the LED bias lights, but they turn back on for about 30 seconds and turn off. On the 940d, no matter which USB port I use it is constantly providing power to the Bias lighting strip, even when the TV is turned off. So in order to use the same trusted brand of back light, I would have to not use it at all or use it and it never turns off. Just another little quirk.

So for me there have been some quirks, but some of these in the long run have not been major issues, just some stuff I thought I would/should bring up since people do value and/or take into consideration impressions from owners. These quirks however has not swayed my decision to keep the set because they are quirks and the TV still functions great even though things like my computer detecting tha panel as being 1080p native instead of 4k native...it is just little things that irk me. The screen has had great uniformity outside of some clouding that completely go away using that Auto Dimming at medium or high eliminates. Still messing with that setting since it is new to me. While watching movies, sports or gaming I don't notice the clouding even when having the auto limiting turned off, it usually is noticeable on a black screen when transitioning from inputs or moving from scene to scene where it is just a black screen. Any Space type scenes in Star Wars or Gravity I do not notice the clouding.

I hope this does not scare anyone, but I figured it is better to mention these things, even as minor as they may be so people have more information than less information. I am sure the quirks with Android will improve, after all this particular unit is brand new and only 1 firmware update has been made.
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Seems like it was 82 or 84 not at home right now to look. I had it bookmarked at one time.

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If it helps, here is the link to the British testing site where they had to revise how they counted zones on the predecessor of the 940D:

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The 940C was FALD just as the 940D is, you may be thinking the 930 series, both 930C and 930D are edge-lit.

I'm just wondering if Sony did anything more than remove the speakers and slim down the depth to make the 940D. I wouldn't ever use the built-in speakers, but they don't bug me, and I don't care if a TV is 3" or 3' deep if the picture quality is better.
Thanks. I did not know that the 940c was also FALD. It is good to know that just in case things change and I discover any issues with the 940d. I also don't mind the speakers on the side. I still have my Sony x900a 4k screen that also has them, so that would not be an issue if things change for me. I will have to research the 940c HDMI ports to ensure 4k/60p/4:4:4 chroma etc.

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Thanks. I did not know that the 940c was also FALD. It is good to know that just in case things change and I discover any issues with the 940d. I also don't mind the speakers on the side. I still have my Sony x900a 4k screen that also has them, so that would not be an issue if things change for me. I will have to research the 940c HDMI ports to ensure 4k/60p/4:4:4 chroma etc.
From the HDTVTEST article on the x940c:

"PC users may be disappointed to find that full 4:4:4 chroma reproduction at higher 4K frame rates remained elusive on a flagship television as expensive as the Sony Bravia KD-75X9405C. At 3840×[email protected], chroma was subsampled to 4:2:0; and the only method to restore 4:4:4 at UHD resolution involved dropping the frame rate to 30Hz in [Game] or [Graphics] mode."
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From the HDTVTEST article on the x940c:

"PC users may be disappointed to find that full 4:4:4 chroma reproduction at higher 4K frame rates remained elusive on a flagship television as expensive as the Sony Bravia KD-75X9405C. At 3840×[email protected], chroma was subsampled to 4:2:0; and the only method to restore 4:4:4 at UHD resolution involved dropping the frame rate to 30Hz in [Game] or [Graphics] mode."
Thank you, I just read the same thing from the link the person above had to the HDTVTest that they did...the 940c is limited to 4:4:4 chroma at 4k 30hz. So even if things were to change for me, Sony would be out of the picture due to this. Right under the part you copied/pasted they mentioned an update the someone from Sony said that a firmware update would allow it, but that was mentioned in Sept 2015 and it being April 2016 it has not happened from what I have researched.

Another edit: It appears that the 940c did get an update for 444 chroma at 60fps, it was included in the HDR update.

Thankfully outside of the quirks I mentioned above, the set has been great. I luckily have a full 45 days to continue testing to be 100% sure.

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I also asked him if Sony will bring out an upgraded 85" 950. He called his guy in Sony and said, they are working on bringing it out near the end of the year, Oct maybe. Did not confirm the size nor if it will really happen. Vaporware?

I wonder why Sony doesn't offer a 85" 940D, or why they are secretive on a possible 85" 950D.
Samsung has the 88"KS9800.

I think that at the moment no panel supplier have 88". unless they buy the curved panel from Samsung.


85" is possible ,some panel supplier have that size.
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