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Official 2016 Sony XBR75 X940D Owners thread: no price talk

You can use vesa mounts (I have mine on one now...). It comes with 2 spacers for the top 2 holes to allow for standard VESA mounts. The spacing is 400x300.
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Official 2016 Sony XBR75 X940D Owners thread: no price talk

I got my X940D yesterday. Overall pleased.

Two comments though:
1. All 4 corners have somewhat noticeable dimming versus the rest of the screen. Not real large, and I can live with it, but if you are looking at the corners you notice it.

2. The set isn't calibrated yet, but I noticed some serious noise/grain issues when watching S1E8 of Daredevil on Netflix. No amount of adjusting settings has removed it. May be a source issue, though, not sure as I haven't directly compared on another tv yet. This was true whether watching on my roku 4 or the TV's built in Netflix app.

EDIT: I tried some other 4K sources, and am not seeing that level of grain/noise. It must just be Netflix/how Daredevil is encoded.
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I got my X940D yesterday. Overall pleased.

Two comments though:
1. All 4 corners have somewhat noticeable dimming versus the rest of the screen. Not real large, and I can live with it, but if you are looking at the corners you notice it.

2. The set isn't calibrated yet, but I noticed some serious noise/grain issues when watching S1E8 of Daredevil on Netflix. No amount of adjusting settings has removed it. May be a source issue, though, not sure as I haven't directly compared on another tv yet. This was true whether watching on my roku 4 or the TV's built in Netflix app.
I haven't wached season 2 of Daredevil yet, but a lot of people in the Vizio thread have complained about the PQ of it. Apparently that's a source issue and nothing caused by your 940D. The dimming in the corners is a little concerning, though. Does it show up in pics if you were to take a quick shot of it?
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I think the upscaling is better in every way. I am really impressed with the difference. I went into this thinking if its not significant I will return the set and wait another year. I can not imagine doing that now. Just hooked up the Samsung UHD bluray player and I'm watching The Martian in HDR. amazing. this pic doesn't do it justice, I wish I had a really good digital camera. the level of detail and contrast is amazing to me. its as if he is sitting in my living room. I don't want to pause watching to calibrate.
Thank you Treky11 for your reply. 4k/HDR should make a big difference vs 1080 tv's.

Till 4k/HDR/DV etc becomes more available, most of us will be relying on how well the tv upscales (and all other processing involved) our blu-rays, OTA, HD streaming, HD cable/satillite signals. That's what we'll be watching most of the time.

The Sharp Elite was voted the best tv by the Value Electronics 2011 shoot out. Given that, I, like other Elite owners would like to better the Elite and it seems our current options are slim. LG OLED, Panasonic OLED, Samsung KS9800 and the XBR75X940D.

I've always liked Sony, feel they have good motion handling and I like how Sony's processing make their PQ look.
So...once you've had a chance to play around with the Sony, could you give us your pros/cons with the Elite vs Sony on non 4k sources.

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I haven't wached season 2 of Daredevil yet, but a lot of people in the Vizio thread have complained about the PQ of it. Apparently that's a source issue and nothing caused by your 940D. The dimming in the corners is a little concerning, though. Does it show up in pics if you were to take a quick shot of it?
The dimming isn't bad, really. In fact, some may think I'm just crazy. lol. I attached a pic, can't see it well though, so it can't be that bad.
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The Sharp Elite was voted the best tv by the Value Electronics 2011 shoot out. Given that, I, like other Elite owners would like to better the Elite and it seems our current options are slim. LG OLED, Panasonic OLED, Samsung KS9800 and the XBR75X940D.

I'm coming from a 60" Kuro Elite and I've basically been looking at the exact same options for a replacement TV as you. As much as I'd love an OLED, the LG and Panasonic are only 65" and that's not a big enough jump in screen size for me right now. I don't like the curved screen of the Samsung 78" FALD so that's basically only left me with the Sony X940D and the Vizo P75 to choose from. Right now I'm almost 100% positive I'll opt for the 940D over the Vizio because there are too many issues with the P75 that bother me.


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The dimming isn't bad, really. In fact, some may think I'm just crazy. lol. I attached a pic, can't see it well though, so it can't be that bad.
I can see a very slight darkened area at the corner, but I probably wouldn't have even noticed it if you hadn't pointed it out. Compared to the banding, screen tearing and dirty screens I've seen from some of the owner's in the Vizio thread this seems like a very minor issue.
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I can see a very slight darkened area at the corner, but I probably wouldn't have even noticed it if you hadn't pointed it out. Compared to the banding, screen tearing and dirty screens I've seen from some of the owner's in the Vizio thread this seems like a very minor issue.
Definitely. Even with that minor detail on the corner brightness (which isn't bad in practice), this TV has way fewer issues than my 2 year old UN65HU9000 Samsung 65" has.
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Definitely. Even with that minor detail on the corner brightness (which isn't bad in practice), this TV has way fewer issues than my 2 year old UN65HU9000 Samsung 65" has.


FYI. When I was at BB today I looked at a few other top sets, the Sammy 78 JS panel for one, and noticed the same thing in the corners. So did the guys working in the magnolia area when I was discussing it with them.

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Congrats on the new set guys! Definitely wish I could have got the 940, however I'm still really enjoying the 930. Enjoy the new tv, I will enjoy reading thru some of your thoughts, and pics of this set considering it shares a lot of the same tech as the 930.
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A word of caution with respect to viewing 3D with non-DLP displays -- always give the monitor 15 to 20 minutes to warm up before watching any 3D. This will cut the incidence of "ghosting" significantly and give a much fairer indication of how the T.V. (or projector) handles 3D.

Also, does the 940D have 2D to 3D onboard conversion? The 3D menu should show this if it does.


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FYI. When I was at BB today I looked at a few other top sets, the Sammy 78 JS panel for one, and noticed the same thing in the corners. So did the guys working in the magnolia area when I was discussing it with them.
Does your 940D have anything like that in the corners? Also, did you see my earlier question about heat output? Does the set emit any heat or does it run cool? Thanks.
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I believe a VESA mount can't be used, yes.

Here are two of the panels/ports. The rest are behind the 3rd large panel you can see in the picture below. I don't want to take that off right now, perhaps Wednesday when my new marantz 8802a gets here. Sorry, hope these are helpful for now.
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FYI. When I was at BB today I looked at a few other top sets, the Sammy 78 JS panel for one, and noticed the same thing in the corners. So did the guys working in the magnolia area when I was discussing it with them.
Does your 940D have anything like that in the corners? Also, did you see my earlier question about heat output? Does the set emit any heat or does it run cool? Thanks.
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Very slight in the corners. See my previous post. It's not noticeable when viewing.


Regarding sound, it was pretty good for the little that I listened to, it's now hooked up to my HT system.
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Does anyone know if the 940D(or even the 940C for that matter) has banding like this Vizio P75? Over in that owner's thread they're trying to justify the visible banding by saying that's a normal byproduct of FALD technology. Please tell me that's not true of the Sony FALD sets because there's no way I could live with this.

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A few questions for current owners...

1. How is the input lag? On the 930d a lot of reviews complained about bad lag and even variable lag.

2. How is screen uniformity, in particular banding issues. Most noticeable on moving images, like a Soccer field and panning left/right.

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I have a P75 and watch hockey nightly (I'm a fanatic Kings season ticket holder). I have never seen that degree of banding on my set. Also keep in mind that's a very off-center video.

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Does anyone know if the 940D(or even the 940C for that matter) has banding like this Vizio P75? Over in that owner's thread they're trying to justify the visible banding by saying that's a normal byproduct of FALD technology. Please tell me that's not true of the Sony FALD sets because there's no way I could live with this.

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Does anyone know if the 940D(or even the 940C for that matter) has banding like this Vizio P75? Over in that owner's thread they're trying to justify the visible banding by saying that's a normal byproduct of FALD technology. Please tell me that's not true of the Sony FALD sets because there's no way I could live with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqt-o8UtpNw
Usually it is hard to detect banding off of a youtube video but damn that was pretty bad. You can easily see it, so in real life it must be horrid. I would never settle for set that looked that bad.
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Does anyone know if the 940D(or even the 940C for that matter) has banding like this Vizio P75? Over in that owner's thread they're trying to justify the visible banding by saying that's a normal byproduct of FALD technology. Please tell me that's not true of the Sony FALD sets because there's no way I could live with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqt-o8UtpNw
Holy crap thats terrible ,nothing like that on my 940c thank god.
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People in the Vizio thread are saying it's inherent to the technology and no big deal. Maybe they can live with issues like that on their displays, but I can't and if all P75s have that issue then I can cross it off my list and basically finalize my decision to buy the 940D.
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I have a P75 and watch hockey nightly (I'm a fanatic Kings season ticket holder). I have never seen that degree of banding on my set. Also keep in mind that's a very off-center video.
Off center has nothing to do with banding. It's either there or it isn't.
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Does anyone know if the 940D(or even the 940C for that matter) has banding like this Vizio P75? Over in that owner's thread they're trying to justify the visible banding by saying that's a normal byproduct of FALD technology. Please tell me that's not true of the Sony FALD sets because there's no way I could live with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqt-o8UtpNw
Only theorized what banding was before - people showing banding samples I couldn't quite see. After watching this now I know exactly what banding is
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People in the Vizio thread are saying it's inherent to the technology and no big deal. Maybe they can live with issues like that on their displays, but I can't and if all P75s have that issue then I can cross it off my list and basically finalize my decision to buy the 940D.
To be fair the 65" Vizio scored quite high in a recent rtings review. I suspect the 940D will be an overall superior TV but I can see why so many are excited by the P-series given its pricing.

http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2016

I doubt Rtings will ever look at the Sony 940D since they buy the TVs they test and the top notch TVs from Sony, Samsung and LG are apparently too expensive -- at least that was their rationale for not testing the 940C. In my opinion by not testing the "best" TVs out there it affects their credibility since they simply haven't seen the so called best and therefore can't accurately say how a particular TV they've tested compares and where it fits into the TV PQ hierarchy.
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Does anyone know if the 940D(or even the 940C for that matter) has banding like this Vizio P75? Over in that owner's thread they're trying to justify the visible banding by saying that's a normal byproduct of FALD technology. Please tell me that's not true of the Sony FALD sets because there's no way I could live with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqt-o8UtpNw
There is absolutely NO justification for banding like that! Yikes.... That's an immediate return type of set! Very extreme banding like that is something that thankfully is very rare among any tv out there.
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There is absolutely NO justification for banding like that! Yikes.... That's an immediate return type of set! Very extreme banding like that is something that thankfully is very rare among any tv out there.
I have no banding or uniformity issues. If I did I would have immediately returned the TV.
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I have no banding or uniformity issues. If I did I would have immediately returned the TV.
Light banding happens sometimes with bigger panels, but that is incredibly bad. It's not normal with any manufacturer.
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Does anyone know if the 940D(or even the 940C for that matter) has banding like this Vizio P75? Over in that owner's thread they're trying to justify the visible banding by saying that's a normal byproduct of FALD technology. Please tell me that's not true of the Sony FALD sets because there's no way I could live with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqt-o8UtpNw
Wow. That is very serious vertical banding. I haven't seen any in my X940C yet except there are some clouding when I turned off the local dimming.

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To be fair the 65" Vizio scored quite high in a recent rtings review. I suspect the 940D will be an overall superior TV but I can see why so many are excited by the P-series given its pricing.

http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2016

I doubt Rtings will ever look at the Sony 940D since they buy the TVs they test and the top notch TVs from Sony, Samsung and LG are apparently too expensive -- at least that was their rationale for not testing the 940C. In my opinion by not testing the "best" TVs out there it affects their credibility since they simply haven't seen the so called best and therefore can't accurately say how a particular TV they've tested compares and where it fits into the TV PQ hierarchy.
to be fair though, they did test a couple of the lg Oled tv so it isn't like they don't know what a good tv is.

I shared a pretty extensive correspondence with them re: 930d gamut coverage and they were very knowledgeable and capable in practical and theoretical arenas. Their approach is far more science based than you may surmise from just reading the website.

Speaking of gamut, pretty funny result on gamut coverage of the Vizio given the comments from people in the 930d thread
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