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Does anyone know if the 940D(or even the 940C for that matter) has banding like this Vizio P75? Over in that owner's thread they're trying to justify the visible banding by saying that's a normal byproduct of FALD technology. Please tell me that's not true of the Sony FALD sets because there's no way I could live with this.
Seriously, people think that's "normal?" My 940C definitely does NOT have anything like that.

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I guess that's true, just kind of taken back by it. Only thing that worries me is the thinness of the TV even though its some sort of new FALD. Being as its the 1 of 2 TV's I'm interested in I'll keep following this thread to see more in home reviews.
I'm under the impression only the 930D is new backlight technology off edge lit. The 940D is 100% actual FALD.
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Actually the specs might be right here in Europe it's 1200 Hz http://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/te...specifications
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I'm under the impression only the 930D is new backlight technology off edge lit. The 940D is 100% actual FALD.
Yea the x930D is a new type of edge lit setup but the x940D is also some kind of new slim FALD setup that isn't the same as a normal FALD setup as the TV is barely thicker than an edge lit x850 (from another users post) While I don't know the measured black levels of the x940c off hand the link posted is fairly unimpressive. Although it is the only measured reading that I've ever seen for a x940D so it may or may not be accurate. I do know the x930D is a step backwards in terms of black level from the x930C (according to rtings x930D black: 0.035 cd/m2 while the x930C Black: 0.020 cd/m2) and just curious if this x940D is also a step back. While I'm not saying its a bad TV in the least, just not sure I want to spend the thousands of dollars on a TV that maybe a slight step back in PQ although removing the speakers is a huge step forward. Like I said, I'm looking forward to more user reviews and measurements along with pro reviews. That first review just has me slightly concerned but still to early to tell.
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Actually the specs might be right here in Europe it's 1200 Hz http://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/te...specifications
And the Canadian Sony site say "Motionflow XR 960Hz" for 930D and 940D.
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Seriously, people think that's "normal?" My 940C definitely does NOT have anything like that.
That's what happens when one cuts corners in the QC Department apparently. No Banding at all on my 940C

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Hope some inputlag figures are incoming real soon.


I have a great offer for a trade-in on this tv for my samsung 65js9500.


I am still very pleased with my Sammy but the sony picture processing should be much better....


I am a little bit irritated with the occassional frame hickup with AMP set to on with the samsung, never had that with my previous Philips tv's and I read that Motion Flow is much better than the Samsung picture processing.


75 inch should fit in my room and that backlight master drive will not see a release in Europe due to power consumption regulations overhere.


That new Panasonic with 512 dimming zones is right at the border what still is allowed in Europe.


In the US regulations for power consumption on led tv's are not so strict I think?
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It is actually the KS9800, there is no JS9800 that I am aware of. I think it is using the same panel as last years JS9500 with poor native contrast, but some seem to think they are using a new panel. If you can stand the curve, it will have MothEye on the 78" and 65" models so it will be good for those with a lot of light and reflection in thier rooms. It will probably sell around $8000 street.





Where are people getting 512 zones info from on the 940D? The Sony already did great with the 128 zones on the 930C. If it is truly controlling 512 zones in the same way as last year models it would be something.

I believe the new samsungs are new panels for a couple reasons:

1. No 3d on these panels.

2. The new samsungs have much better native contrast numbers and improved native black levels based on some of the early reviews from last week. Avforums.com got .034 native black and HDTVtest got .039, usually samsung is around .05-.06 ansi.


As for the reports of the 940d having 512 zones, they probably mean 512 LEDs. The question becomes how the leds are grouped into dimmable zones. For example the 65js9500 has 600 leds behind the screen with 150 zones each zone having 4 leds that are controlled for dimming.
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Official 2016 Sony XBR75 X940D Owners thread: no price talk

Should be interesting to see how 940D reviews.

Vizios p series has the highest native contrast I've ever seen, almost hitting 6,000:1. There's no reason to expect the 940D wouldn't be close seeing as they probably use higher quality panels from the same manufacturer.

I don't think thinness is really as much of an issue for fald as it is for edge lit when you think of the physics of the light dispersion. The real question would be how the thinness would affect light output, and even if it was the same as the 940c it would still be one of the brightest out there.
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Should be interesting to see how 940D reviews.

Vizios p series has the highest native contrast I've ever seen, almost hitting 6,000:1. There's no reason to expect the 940D wouldn't be close seeing as they probably use higher quality panels from the same manufacturer.

I don't think thinness is really as much of an issue for fald as it is for edge lit when you think of the physics of the light dispersion. The real question would be how the thinness would affect light output, and even if it was the same as the 940c it would still be one of the brightest out there.
In a dark room the 940c with a full white background screen will hurt your eyes

I to look forward to seeing how many zones the 940D has, I will bet it is the same as the 940C myself. Just a hunch, because if it is allot more I still have three weeks I could return this 940C and get the sucker

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Should be interesting to see how 940D reviews.

Vizios p series has the highest native contrast I've ever seen, almost hitting 6,000:1. There's no reason to expect the 940D wouldn't be close seeing as they probably use higher quality panels from the same manufacturer.

I don't think thinness is really as much of an issue for fald as it is for edge lit when you think of the physics of the light dispersion. The real question would be how the thinness would affect light output, and even if it was the same as the 940c it would still be one of the brightest out there.
In a dark room the 940c with a full white background screen will hurt your eyes

I to look forward to seeing how many zones the 940D has, I will bet it is the same as the 940C myself. Just a hunch, because if it is allot more I still have three weeks I could return this 940C and get the sucker
I am betting on the same as well.

To be honest 128 seems like a sweet spot. Fald performance doesn't seem to be linear based on zone count. In order to get much better than 128, you need alot more zones and I don't think sony will do it. They may wait to up the zone count once they can truly make a generational leap in performance.

Could be wrong though who knows.
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I am betting on the same as well.

To be honest 128 seems like a sweet spot. Fald performance doesn't seem to be linear based on zone count. In order to get much better than 128, you need alot more zones and I don't think sony will do it. They may wait to up the zone count once they can truly make a generational leap in performance.

Could be wrong though who knows.
I agree with the 128. Vizio is doing really good things even on a budget with 128 zones. I think Sony really has no reason to add cost and increase zone count if they are producing possibly the best LCD with last years x940C.
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Yea the x930D is a new type of edge lit setup but the x940D is also some kind of new slim FALD setup that isn't the same as a normal FALD setup as the TV is barely thicker than an edge lit x850 (from another users post) While I don't know the measured black levels of the x940c off hand the link posted is fairly unimpressive. Although it is the only measured reading that I've ever seen for a x940D so it may or may not be accurate. I do know the x930D is a step backwards in terms of black level from the x930C (according to rtings x930D black: 0.035 cd/m2 while the x930C Black: 0.020 cd/m2) and just curious if this x940D is also a step back. While I'm not saying its a bad TV in the least, just not sure I want to spend the thousands of dollars on a TV that maybe a slight step back in PQ although removing the speakers is a huge step forward. Like I said, I'm looking forward to more user reviews and measurements along with pro reviews. That first review just has me slightly concerned but still to early to tell.
Sony is also working on a new FALD for next year.It is called Backlight MasterDrive which has over 1000 zones.
Watch Scott's review of the Sony TV's at 2016 CES show:
go to 39:17 on the video: https://twit.tv/shows/home-theater-g...utostart=false
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Can someone 940d owner download that app and post the picture of their info?
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So it looks like the upgrade is relatively modest this year and then next year another big jump (1000 zones, wow). I wonder if it'll have either HDMI 2.1 and/or Dolby Vision.
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Sony is also working on a new FALD for next year.It is called Backlight MasterDrive which has over 1000 zones.
Watch Scott's review of the Sony TV's at 2016 CES show:
go to 39:17 on the video: https://twit.tv/shows/home-theater-g...utostart=false
Nowhere in Scott's interview does the Sony rep say the 1000 zone LCD is actually going to be released much less in 2017 (I carefully listened to the interview waiting for this information -- I certainly didn't hear anything about it being put into a consumer product -- it was noted to be only a prototype). I doubt very much we're going tho see it in any product except perhaps, an extremely expensive exclusive model, which at best is probably several years out.
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Sony is also working on a new FALD for next year.It is called Backlight MasterDrive which has over 1000 zones.
Watch Scott's review of the Sony TV's at 2016 CES show:
go to 39:17 on the video: https://twit.tv/shows/home-theater-g...utostart=false
The 1000 zone set is a prototype , there is no mention of this coming out in 2017.
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Sony is also working on a new FALD for next year.It is called Backlight MasterDrive which has over 1000 zones.
Watch Scott's review of the Sony TV's at 2016 CES show:
go to 39:17 on the video: https://twit.tv/shows/home-theater-g...utostart=false
The ideal world would be x940e using dat 1000 zones while the x930e uses carried-down x940d specs. x930 series need to be rid of edge-lit once and for all.
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Official 2016 Sony XBR75 X940D Owners thread: no price talk

Any chance that 1000 zone dream comes with native 10 bit 240 panel?
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I'd love to see some pictures of bright objects against black taken in a fully blacked out room -- in my opinion that's the acid test for any T.V.

My understanding is that you have to order an emitter separately if you want to watch 3D. Does this T.V. have real time on board 2D to 3D conversion like the 940C?

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Can someone please confirm that the 940D has onboard 2D to 3D conversion? I was told by a Sony customer service rep that it does in fact have this ability, but I have heard otherwise from other places. I am about to order one of these, but the 2D to 3D conversion is actually a very important feature for us and so I want to make sure about this before pulling the trigger for purchase.

We are also considering the 78" Samsung JS9500 because of the HDR / FALD / 2D to 3D conversion, so if anyone has any insight on this set vs. the Sony XBR 940D (or 940C even) that would be much appreciated!
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Should be interesting to see how 940D reviews.

Vizios p series has the highest native contrast I've ever seen, almost hitting 6,000:1. There's no reason to expect the 940D wouldn't be close seeing as they probably use higher quality panels from the same manufacturer.

I don't think thinness is really as much of an issue for fald as it is for edge lit when you think of the physics of the light dispersion. The real question would be how the thinness would affect light output, and even if it was the same as the 940c it would still be one of the brightest out there.
There are only a few panel manufactures. Just because AUO makes Vizio's and Sony's panels does not mean anything. Their panels probably come from different lines and are different models. Matt from Vizio said the P-series uses a customer spec panel. I'd imagine there are off the shelf panels and ones made for specifics sets.

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Yea the x930D is a new type of edge lit setup but the x940D is also some kind of new slim FALD setup that isn't the same as a normal FALD setup as the TV is barely thicker than an edge lit x850 (from another users post) While I don't know the measured black levels of the x940c off hand the link posted is fairly unimpressive. Although it is the only measured reading that I've ever seen for a x940D so it may or may not be accurate. I do know the x930D is a step backwards in terms of black level from the x930C (according to rtings x930D black: 0.035 cd/m2 while the x930C Black: 0.020 cd/m2) and just curious if this x940D is also a step back. While I'm not saying its a bad TV in the least, just not sure I want to spend the thousands of dollars on a TV that maybe a slight step back in PQ although removing the speakers is a huge step forward. Like I said, I'm looking forward to more user reviews and measurements along with pro reviews. That first review just has me slightly concerned but still to early to tell.
The 65 and 55 X930D has different native contrasts. Rtings tested the 55 which matches up with 10k's 55 and other reviewers 55. The 65 is around 4000:1, I myself test my set to be 3885:1. The x930d isn't an step forward or back. Somethings improved some things regressed. We will see what the 940d does. Hopefully the 3D works.

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The first owner already post screen shots last week. It has the same internals as 930d. see posts from @treky11
I thought this was an owners thread about the 940d?
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Actually it was @Audiolvr641 who posted the screen shots in anticipation thread.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post43080082
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I thought this was an owners thread about the 940d?
Why the doubt? OP was looking for screen shots of 940d internals and I am saying they are already posted and both 930d and 940d have the same specs with respect to ram and soc.
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Actually it was @Audiolvr641 who posted the screen shots in anticipation thread.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lc...l#post43080082
I just ran aida64 on my 940D, I can confirm that mine said the same thing as the screen shots in this link/post.

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Nowhere in Scott's interview does the Sony rep say the 1000 zone LCD is actually going to be released much less in 2017 (I carefully listened to the interview waiting for this information -- I certainly didn't hear anything about it being put into a consumer product -- it was noted to be only a prototype). I doubt very much we're going tho see it in any product except perhaps, an extremely expensive exclusive model, which at best is probably several years out.
This is what I noticed as well. Plus, with a mention of an 85" size (thought I saw that somewhere), I'm betting this will replace the 85" 950B as the next fald 85", so I'm betting/guessing the retail price will be similar - around $25K.

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I thought this prototype was the rumored ZD9

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Would be nice to get back on topic here, 940D owners thread
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