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Wow, the 2017 M series has half the dimming zones and only 60Hz, I don't care if it has a true WCG, that's pushing the bare minimum number to worth having FALD. And with only fake 120 motion is no good either although if the processor is upgraded it could be ok if Judder is truly eliminated through the settings. Obviously they are now trying to push the P series more after initially struggling with supply at first. It sounds like the upgrades on the P series of a better WCG, and brightness addresses it only real weaknesses.
We'll see after the reviews come in. Is the 2017 M a color space hybrid - not as good as the P - but better than the 2016? My bet is that it will be a plain old REC 709 panel with an 8 bit processor - just like 2016 but not as good. Most consumers won't care, but we'll be happy campers!
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So, after about 9 mos with a 2015 M-Series M55-C1, I had my TV replaced by Vizio with a new 2016 M-Series M55-D0.

Still getting used to things, but one thing I've noticed immediately is that the audio to my soundbar often cuts out (half a dozen times or more per hour show). It's connected via optical, and I had no such issues on my 2015 TV. Searched the forum and saw some similar comments in December of this year - but I couldn't find a solution.

Is this still an issue for those who were having it before. Has the beta firmware helped anyone? Any solutions?
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No problem here with that,but suspect a bad ethernet jack on mine. Nothing can ever be perfect can it.


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We'll see after the reviews come in. Is the 2017 M a color space hybrid - not as good as the P - but better than the 2016? My bet is that it will be a plain old REC 709 panel with an 8 bit processor - just like 2016 but not as good. Most consumers won't care, but we'll be happy campers!
Are you kidding? The M is gonna be a good upgrade. 600nits capable display like the P and WCG like the P. The 120hz panel only really matter for PC gamers. The Zones are lower but I'm sure it will perform very well still.
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"Color Volume" article: Revised and Expanded

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For those of you who liked my "Color Volume" article, I wanted to let you know that I have made further revisions and additions to it this week.

I added a lot of extra material to most of the sections - including additional info and lots more images and illustrations. I also added 2 brand new sections to it and made a few changes and improvements to some of the previous material.

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Ok so I decided to buy a new receiver in hopes of my issues being resolved. I bought this receiver
https://www.nfm.com/DetailsPage.aspx?productid=46506028

Hopefully this gets me HDR to all my compatible devices and fixes my missing signal when I change inputs. If I can leave the TV on HDMI 1 and use the receiver to change devices, I am hoping the TV will no longer lose the signal forcing me to turn the TV off and on again.

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Ok so I decided to buy a new receiver in hopes of my issues being resolved. I bought this receiver
https://www.nfm.com/DetailsPage.aspx?productid=46506028

Hopefully this gets me HDR to all my compatible devices and fixes my missing signal when I change inputs. If I can leave the TV on HDMI 1 and use the receiver to change devices, I am hoping the TV will no longer lose the signal forcing me to turn the TV off and on again.
Should work. I'd go spend some time over in that Yamaha forum and read up on your new AVR.
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Are you kidding? The M is gonna be a good upgrade. 600nits capable display like the P and WCG like the P. The 120hz panel only really matter for PC gamers. The Zones are lower but I'm sure it will perform very well still.
All speculation until we get some official reviews. We're all guessing at this point. Seems to be some good trade off though with the higher nits and some form of a WCG. Regardless a lot of good info going around and I'm learning a lot from you (stalking the P forum) and others on here about the guts of these displays.

It always sucks to have a "last" year model and potentially see the new one improve upon the previous release. In hind sight I should have opted for the P65 last summer but I have been one of the lucky few who has not had an issue with my M70 since I bought it last June. It's been a great display for what I watch and has opened my eyes to what HDR can do. I just bought my first UHD HDR disc Planet Earth II and wow it looks incredible on my display through the XB1S. But I'll probably never buy another disc. I'm hoping more HDR content will continue to be pushed down our throats through Netflix, Amazon, HULU; etc. and that'll be good enough for me. And who knows maybe in a couple years redbox will carry UHD media. However I think I'm going to start saving up for the 2018 P75 which will trump all
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On the display, make sure color space is on auto, use vivid mode and use Computer color on 2.2 gamma. Make sure brightness isn't too high, should be 45-51. Color sometimes needs to be as high as 60. Use rec 2020 color at 4:2:2 chroma on the Shield. Let me know if that helps.

Edit: after trying RGB, you have to bring brightness down to 30, otherwise on auto, you can use 45-51, but also the options in Shield to adjust to different color range and bit is gone, only showing rec 709 8-bit with no option to change.
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If you want to watch HDR content (not play HDR games) on this display, I'd suggest you avoid doing everything suggested above.
Color defaults to 58 in HDR10 mode, you can safely push it up to 60-62, other than that, my recommendation is to keep it at Calibrated Dark or Calibrated. If you need more brightness lower gamma to 2.0 or 1.8, leave backlight, brightness and contrast at 50. If you switch to RGB on the Shield, you can simply turn on the RGB color space in the Picture menu.

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On the display, make sure color space is on auto, use vivid mode and use Computer color on 2.2 gamma. Make sure brightness isn't too high, should be 45-51. Color sometimes needs to be as high as 60. Use rec 2020 color at 4:2:2 chroma on the Shield. Let me know if that helps.

Edit: after trying RGB, you have to bring brightness down to 30, otherwise on auto, you can use 45-51, but also the options in Shield to adjust to different color range and bit is gone, only showing rec 709 8-bit with no option to change.
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If you want to watch HDR content (not play HDR games) on this display, I'd suggest you avoid doing everything suggested above.
Color defaults to 58 in HDR10 mode, you can safely push it up to 60-62, other than that, my recommendation is to keep it at Calibrated Dark or Calibrated. If you need more brightness lower gamma to 2.0 or 1.8, leave backlight, brightness and contrast at 50. If you switch to RGB on the Shield, you can simply turn on the RGB color space in the Picture menu.
I wad on the wrong HDMI port but otherwise I was trying to get him to see if he could make it "pop". He especially needs to make sure he's not in RGB mode on the display settings unless he also matched in the Shield. But ya, I've had much better results with Vivid for any 4k content and with the Shield obviously outputting everything in 4k it works well. I don't think he was going for a professional calibration and with our display having marginal brightness and proven to produce better brightness in Vivid, it was a merely a starting point to see if got rid of the washout.

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Is anyone still having issues with HDR and the Xbox One on the newest firmware? I think my display might be defective.
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So, after about 9 mos with a 2015 M-Series M55-C1, I had my TV replaced by Vizio with a new 2016 M-Series M55-D0.

Still getting used to things, but one thing I've noticed immediately is that the audio to my soundbar often cuts out (half a dozen times or more per hour show). It's connected via optical, and I had no such issues on my 2015 TV. Searched the forum and saw some similar comments in December of this year - but I couldn't find a solution.

Is this still an issue for those who were having it before. Has the beta firmware helped anyone? Any solutions?
No soundbar here, but first thing I would try is a different optical cable. I also once had an issue where I thought the cable was securely attached to both devices, but it turns out it was only halfway in on the TV end and I had to push it in with far more force than I expected to get it to really latch. Are you on firmware 3.0.13.5?

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Are you kidding? The M is gonna be a good upgrade. 600nits capable display like the P and WCG like the P. The 120hz panel only really matter for PC gamers. The Zones are lower but I'm sure it will perform very well still.
I thought 120hz was beneficial for 24p content because you could do 5:5 instead of 3:2 pulldown, reducing judder.
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Does anyone know if the new remote is compatible with a harmony hub yet?
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Are you kidding? The M is gonna be a good upgrade. 600nits capable display like the P and WCG like the P. The 120hz panel only really matter for PC gamers. The Zones are lower but I'm sure it will perform very well still.
Well . . . I guess I spoke too soon. I was basing my opinion on CNET's first pass in which they said "improved light output and color for 2017, which might help improve HDR performance." There was ( and still is ) no mention of WCG in that article. So, at face value, based on that article, the 2017 M looked like less for more.

Having just finished reading the official Vizio press release, I'm now getting a better "picture" - literally and figuratively. I still have some qualms regarding dimming zone count. I don't game, so I don't care about the 60Hz panel. But I have to say that if local dimming zone count was no big deal, the P series would have fewer zones. More nits would be nice for HDR content, but doesn't do much for SDR.

Obviously, to maintain certain price points, the cost trade-offs for adding WCG to the M series is that you get fewer dimming zones and a slower panel.

Here's my dilemma. I have a little less than two weeks to return ( 90 days ) my M70-D3 to Costco. At that point, I could order the M70-E3 direct from Vizio and eat the difference. I don't expect to see any deals on the 2017's for months. Is it worth it?
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If you have the hub you don't need the original remote. I'm sure someone will enter in the new commands once the 2017 models become widely available.

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I thought 120hz was beneficial for 24p content because you could do 5:5 instead of 3:2 pulldown, reducing judder.
The 2016 M series can only properly handle 24P @ 24Hz input. 24P @ 60Hz still produces pull down.
The 60Hz panels simply switch to 48Hz internally for 24P @ 24Hz.

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From what I gather the codes are the same as their old remotes. Codes for 2014 P or 2015 M series will most likely work just fine.

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The 2016 M series can only properly handle 24P @ 24Hz input. 24P @ 60Hz still produces pull down.
The 60Hz panels simply switch to 48Hz internally for 24P @ 24Hz.
I thought the Film Mode setting (I forget what it's called and don't have the TV in front of me) enabled reverse pulldown of 24p content scaled to 60p? What does that setting do then?

I was unaware that the 60hz panels could do 48hz refresh. I'm surprised Vizio doesn't market that feature more heavily.
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If you have the hub you don't need the original remote. I'm sure someone will enter in the new commands once the 2017 models become widely available.
Currently, the "Internet apps" command triggers the Casting "input". On pre-SmartCast TV's, that command brought up the old app interface. My guess is that the new app interface will also be triggered by the same command. The Casting input will loose the screensaver and get added functionality to run apps, and also accept casting stream routing instructions from the mobile SmartCast app or any content source ( i.e. Netflix ) that supports casting. At that point, the transport commands; ( i.e. play, pause, ff, rew, etc. ), and navigation commands ( cursor up, down,etc. ) should be the same commands as are/have been used on older pre-cast models.

In short, I think you will be able to use the Harmony system just as you did before the arrival of the casting TV's.
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Are you kidding? The M is gonna be a good upgrade. 600nits capable display like the P and WCG like the P. The 120hz panel only really matter for PC gamers. The Zones are lower but I'm sure it will perform very well still.
Well . . . I guess I spoke too soon. I was basing my opinion on CNET's first pass in which they said "improved light output and color for 2017, which might help improve HDR performance." There was ( and still is ) no mention of WCG in that article. So, at face value, based on that article, the 2017 M looked like less for more.

Having just finished reading the official Vizio press release, I'm now getting a better "picture" - literally and figuratively. I still have some qualms regarding dimming zone count. I don't game, so I don't care about the 60Hz panel. But I have to say that if local dimming zone count was no big deal, the P series would have fewer zones. More nits would be nice for HDR content, but doesn't do much for SDR.

Obviously, to maintain certain price points, the cost trade-offs for adding WCG to the M series is that you get fewer dimming zones and a slower panel.

Here's my dilemma. I have a little less than two weeks to return ( 90 days ) my M70-D3 to Costco. At that point, I could order the M70-E3 direct from Vizio and eat the difference. I don't expect to see any deals on the 2017's for months. Is it worth it?
I have the M-50 so I'm used to having 32 dimming zones and 60hz. I think it looks pretty dang great but then again I don't know what I'm missing out on with the 64 zones.
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How are you guys getting the new remotes exactly? I've been in the beta program for a while and haven't received anything from Vizio. Did you have to go somewhere and fill out a form or something? Went out and bought a cheap universal remote and I can use it to access the on screen menu which is nice, but the "info" button doesn't work. It would be great to have an official remote.
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I have the M-50 so I'm used to having 32 dimming zones and 60hz. I think it looks pretty dang great but then again I don't know what I'm missing out on with the 64 zones.
32 Zones on a 70" = bigger sized zones = more blooming potential. My 2014 M702i-B3 had 36 zones, and it really did make a difference with blacks - especially letterbox. There was some blooming issues in dark scenes with objects such as a lit candle. My 2016 M70 with 64 zones has alleviated that issue to some degree. The bloom around the flame is much tighter/smaller and less noticeable. More zones = smaller zones = better PQ. This would also apply to HDR content. With Dolby Vision, each zone's brightness is independently manipulated. The more zones, the more granular that manipulation can be. The "P" series has 128 zones. The Sony Z9 has over 500. Finally, with OLED each pixel is like a zone - so there are millions.

That stuff is not within my budget, but these are the best pictures out there. What Vizio has done with their implementation of FALD is actually pretty amazing with excellent PQ.
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The 2016 M series has 64 zones, not 68. (not that it's that big of a difference really)

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I thought the Film Mode setting (I forget what it's called and don't have the TV in front of me) enabled reverse pulldown of 24p content scaled to 60p? What does that setting do then?

I was unaware that the 60hz panels could do 48hz refresh. I'm surprised Vizio doesn't market that feature more heavily.
The 2015 M series TVs with 120Hz panels is capable of figuring out all sorts of 24P material, although my M55-C2 which has a 60Hz panel can't at all.
The 2016 M series is capable of playing 24P @ 24Hz without judder, but @60Hz it can't. Rtings review confirms it. But I don't know how the 60Hz 2016 M series behaves, though.

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Well . . . I guess I spoke too soon. I was basing my opinion on CNET's first pass in which they said "improved light output and color for 2017, which might help improve HDR performance." There was ( and still is ) no mention of WCG in that article. So, at face value, based on that article, the 2017 M looked like less for more.

Having just finished reading the official Vizio press release, I'm now getting a better "picture" - literally and figuratively. I still have some qualms regarding dimming zone count. I don't game, so I don't care about the 60Hz panel. But I have to say that if local dimming zone count was no big deal, the P series would have fewer zones. More nits would be nice for HDR content, but doesn't do much for SDR.

Obviously, to maintain certain price points, the cost trade-offs for adding WCG to the M series is that you get fewer dimming zones and a slower panel.

Here's my dilemma. I have a little less than two weeks to return ( 90 days ) my M70-D3 to Costco. At that point, I could order the M70-E3 direct from Vizio and eat the difference. I don't expect to see any deals on the 2017's for months. Is it worth it?
I'm in the same boat as you but I have a M65 from Costco. Like you, 60hz isn't a big deal to me but the reduction in zones is worrying. I just don't know if the implementation of WCG will be worth the loss in zones. Ah, first world problems!!
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I wad on the wrong HDMI port but otherwise I was trying to get him to see if he could make it "pop". He especially needs to make sure he's not in RGB mode on the display settings unless he also matched in the Shield. But ya, I've had much better results with Vivid for any 4k content and with the Shield obviously outputting everything in 4k it works well. I don't think he was going for a professional calibration and with our display having marginal brightness and proven to produce better brightness in Vivid, it was a merely a starting point to see if got rid of the washout.

Thank you for the help! Simply switching to Vivid mode made the washout go away. I've tried all option on Color Space on the display in order to select the color space on the Shield, but I can't do anything to change it from Rec. 709 on the Shield. I do have the brightness and backlight at 30.

As of right now, I have it on auto and things do "pop" and look a lot better than before. Before it was if I was looking at the tv at a wide angle where everything was washed/greyed out. However, I still do not get a Yes in HDR from the Display Information.

You said this was a stating point, what I do next?
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We'll see after the reviews come in. Is the 2017 M a color space hybrid - not as good as the P - but better than the 2016? My bet is that it will be a plain old REC 709 panel with an 8 bit processor - just like 2016 but not as good. Most consumers won't care, but we'll be happy campers!
Are you kidding? The M is gonna be a good upgrade. 600nits capable display like the P and WCG like the P. The 120hz panel only really matter for PC gamers. The Zones are lower but I'm sure it will perform very well still.
Our 2016 display already hits pretty close to 500 nits and I wonder how much better the WCG gamut will be, we'll have to see but half the dimming zones is a MAJOR downgrade, I finally got one because the jump to 64, and only 60Hz panel can be a huge blow, but if they have 3:2 pull down in hardware or at least well implemented in software with a decent processor then that won't hurt much, but is very important with almost everything still 24p native and some of us can't stand Judder... Can't wait for the reviews!
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So, after about 9 mos with a 2015 M-Series M55-C1, I had my TV replaced by Vizio with a new 2016 M-Series M55-D0.

Still getting used to things, but one thing I've noticed immediately is that the audio to my soundbar often cuts out (half a dozen times or more per hour show). It's connected via optical, and I had no such issues on my 2015 TV. Searched the forum and saw some similar comments in December of this year - but I couldn't find a solution.

Is this still an issue for those who were having it before. Has the beta firmware helped anyone? Any solutions?
Is your soundbar only 2.1? If so the fix all along is to simply force PCM audio.
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