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My m60-d1 about the last month has been acting quirky. I have my sat box on HDMI 1. When I turn on tv, about half of the time, there isn't a picture on HDMI 1, only black. I have to cycle thru the inputs and back to HDMI 1 to get the sat picture to show up. And when I turn the TV off, it will come back on automatically. I recognize this is probably tied to CEC, but this has never happened before. I use to be able to turn the set off and it would stay off without a problem, up until the last month or so. It looks like the tv is on latest software. Any ideas??
Mine has been doing this for the last month. Driving me nuts.

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whai i did

I took some advice from some very helpful people on here. I plugged my sat box into HDMI 1 and turned off UHD Full Color. Should clear some things up, I however havent' had a chance to test it yet.

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I have no idea if this will make any difference with FALD performance, but here are two things to try.

1) Turn off ALZ, and then watch the same content. Does the lag go away? If not, then we need to take a closer look at the source settings.

2) Try the Calibrated picture mode with backlight set to 40. If it looks too yellow to you, then change the color temp to cool. ALZ on. Watch the same content. Any improvement?
I can even see at the end of a movie the end credits get obviously brighter and dimmer as they move up the screen, turn off alz and problem goes away. Have u or anyone else notice the dimming and brightening of credits as they move up the screen??
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No. The #1 complaint in the Roku thread is the fact that they can't watch 4K 4:2:0 @ 24 native content without the Roku bumping it up to 4:4:4 @ 60 when plugged into a port that supports that signal; i.e. HDMI 1. Almost all streaming/casting/blu-ray movies are originally 4K 4:2:0 @ 24. The Roku is artificially "enhancing" the signal to make it something it was never mastered to do - which introduces several issues including the dreaded soap opera effect. Streaming content is intentionally compressed to 4:2:0 so that it will look good within that limited bandwidth. The Roku's approach is kind of like putting a turbo charger on a lawn mower. Doesn't cut the grass any better.

Here's what he said: "So if you actually want to run content in it's 24Hz native AND HDR you are actually better off using ports 2-4 and re-running the display setup on Roku."
From Shoman94:"Netflix and Vudu actually stream 4k 4:2:2 @24." This is a problem with this forum. If you don't KNOW FOR SURE, DON'T POST!

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Netflix and Vudu actually stream 4k 4:2:2 @24.

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Yes. And they will also cast or stream at 4:2:0 @ 24 without any impact on PQ, and do not require turning on Full UHD Color - which was the point of this discussion in the first place.
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Yes. And they will also cast or stream at 4:2:0 @ 24 without any impact on PQ, and do not require turning on Full UHD Color - which was the point of this discussion in the first place.
Well, which is it? Netflix is not a broadcast channel so you have to either stream or stream & cast it.

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And it hasn't helped. Still have to switch to get picture.

QUOTE=wooz123;53673545]I took some advice from some very helpful people on here. I plugged my sat box into HDMI 1 and turned off UHD Full Color. Should clear some things up, I however havent' had a chance to test it yet.

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I can even see at the end of a movie the end credits get obviously brighter and dimmer as they move up the screen, turn off alz and problem goes away. Have u or anyone else notice the dimming and brightening of credits as they move up the screen??
Yes. I wouldn't worry about credits, it can confuse the FALD algorithm a bit.

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I took some advice from some very helpful people on here. I plugged my sat box into HDMI 1 and turned off UHD Full Color. Should clear some things up, I however havent' had a chance to test it yet.
isn't UHD Full Color == HDR. So if you turn that setting off you don't have HDR output any more?
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From Shoman94:"Netflix and Vudu actually stream 4k 4:2:2 @24." This is a problem with this forum. If you don't KNOW FOR SURE, DON'T POST!
I love it when @shoman94 does one of his typical thread drive-by's and drops a streaming trivia bomb.

So, I'm done trying to help. I actually do know, but I was trying to keep it simple.

So @shoman94 , I officially hand the reins over to you. If you go back a page, you will see the genesis of this particular discussion. I've spent way too much time in an effort to be helpful, and now all I'm getting is grief. It's your turn to solve the problem.
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And it hasn't helped. Still have to switch to get picture.

QUOTE=wooz123;53673545]I took some advice from some very helpful people on here. I plugged my sat box into HDMI 1 and turned off UHD Full Color. Should clear some things up, I however havent' had a chance to test it yet.
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One other thing to check. I think you have a DTV box correct? Make sure that Native mode is turned off. It's under the Display settings section.
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I love it when @shoman94 does one of his typical thread drive-by's and drops a streaming trivia bomb.

So, I'm done trying to help. I actually do know, but I was trying to keep it simple.

So @shoman94 , I officially hand the reins over to you. If you go back a page, you will see the genesis of this particular discussion. I've spent way too much time in an effort to be helpful, and now all I'm getting is grief. It's your turn to solve the problem.
Hey @sonoftumble , you've done a heck of a job helping those of us who are learning this set...keep it up!
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isn't UHD Full Color == HDR. So if you turn that setting off you don't have HDR output any more?
No. UHD Full Color ( a.k.a color subsampling or chroma-subsampling ) is about telling your TV that it's going to be getting uncompressed color data. Only certain external devices ( PC's and some gaming consoles ) actually send uncompressed color data which takes the form of 4K 4:4:4 @ 60Hz. There's no point to turning on UHD Full Color for any other content as it does nothing but create some black screen input issues. HDR data may be imbedded in a 4K 4:4:4 @ 60Hz signal, and it might not. UHD/HDR Blu-ray movies output at 4K 4:2:0 @24Hz. They don't need UHD Full Color turned on to watch them and enjoy their full HDR glory.

Here's a really great go-to source. Don't worry, it's a short read: http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/chroma-subsampling

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Well after some troubleshooting I think my receiver might be having an issue when casting in regards to the audio dropouts, streaming from my blu ray no problems or with regular cable...now to call yamaha tomorrow to see what the issue might be.
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No. UHD Full Color ( a.k.a color subsampling or chroma-subsampling ) is about telling your TV that it's going to be getting uncompressed color data. Only certain external devices ( PC's and some gaming consoles ) actually send uncompressed color data which takes the form of 4K 4:4:4 @ 60Hz. There's no point to turning on UHD Full Color for any other content as it does nothing but create some black screen input issues. HDR data may be imbedded in a 4K 4:4:4 @ 60Hz signal, and it might not. UHD/HDR Blu-ray movies output at 4K 4:2:0 @24Hz. They don't need UHD Full Color turned on to watch them and enjoy their full HDR glory.
AH - This was a wonderful POST, thank you @sonoftumble !!!! So when I turn off UHD Full Color the xbox 1 s tells me basically that HDR is disabled. I will go search and see if there is a way to put the xbox 1 s in a lower color signal.
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I love it when @shoman94 does one of his typical thread drive-by's and drops a streaming trivia bomb.

So, I'm done trying to help. I actually do know, but I was trying to keep it simple.

So @shoman94 , I officially hand the reins over to you. If you go back a page, you will see the genesis of this particular discussion. I've spent way too much time in an effort to be helpful, and now all I'm getting is grief. It's your turn to solve the problem.
All I was doing was stating that they stream at 4:2:2. You said streaming was 4:2:0. Most device require Full UHD to be ON because they output 60hz along with 4k. The Nvidia Shield requires it for 4k to even be enabled and the ChromeCast Ultra requires it for 4k HDR content and UHD Blu-Ray players require it for streaming thru the apps. I don't own a Roku Ultra or Premiere+ so I don't know when it's required for them. Same with the Xbox One S, but I'm fairly certian you need it for HDR in APPS and games. The fact is, if you have black outs or video tearing then its bandwidth related. Whether it's a cable or equipment related who knows. Cables are a touchy thing now because we are pushing that standard currently. They are the weak link.

You do a great job in this thread and my "drive by's" are only intended for things I may see as inaccurate. I'm not being an ass or giving you attitude about it. I'm pretty sure I have tried to help you in the past and now when I do, you act like some expert that is getting his toes stepped on. I wasn't trying to step in on what you were trying to resolve so try to relax a little bit. I won't say a thing to you any longer if that's what you want...... My appologies.
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AH - This was a wonderful POST, thank you @sonoftumble !!!! So when I turn off UHD Full Color the xbox 1 s tells me basically that HDR is disabled. I will go search and see if there is a way to put the xbox 1 s in a lower color signal.
just leave it on then?? not sure what the issue is here lately for UHD Full Color understanding. If you are using a XB1S or a ROKU P+ or Ultra going IN to HDMI One then the UHD FULL has to be on.

@shoman94 beat me to it. Good post.
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My m65 d0 lost connection today and is asking me to re-pair the tablet and basically set up again. Unfortunately it asks me to press the link button on the remote... I've lost this remote! What are my options?

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My m65 d0 lost connection today and is asking me to re-pair the tablet and basically set up again. Unfortunately it asks me to press the link button on the remote... I've lost this remote! What are my options?

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This happened to me a few weeks ago with the tablet, however I was still able to use the Smartcast app from my phone. I powered off the tablet and rebooted it, linked up fine again.

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One other thing to check. I think you have a DTV box correct? Make sure that Native mode is turned off. It's under the Display settings section.[/QUOTE]

I've mentioned this before, but the Hopper 3 display options are only 4k, 1080p, and 1080i as one selection. Then 720p as another. I have it on the 4k, 1080p, and10801 option. Also, thanks for all your help. I think I will switch out the HDMI cable at some point this weekend. I also turned off the CEC function on the Hopper 3 so the TV will stay off when I turn it off. I am seriously considering contacting Costco, becuase I bought the extended warranty and I've heard they are fantastic at support.
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Vizio M60-D1 or LG 60UH7700

this is out of the topics discussed above, but still want to check with this forum, i have M60-D1 for the past weeks and also gettig LG UH 7700 60" shortly, what do you guys think is the best option, Vizion M series is far better than LG 7700 ? i got a good deal for Vizio and need to shell out additional 250$ for LG, but the super UHD is tempting me to go towards it, please advise.
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this is out of the topics discussed above, but still want to check with this forum, i have M60-D1 for the past weeks and also gettig LG UH 7700 60" shortly, what do you guys think is the best option, Vizion M series is far better than LG 7700 ? i got a good deal for Vizio and need to shell out additional 250$ for LG, but the super UHD is tempting me to go towards it, please advise.
The local dimming on LGs edge lit panel is pretty much useless, the Vizio will be considerably better in that department.
The LG has a great input lag for HDR gaming, and it can reach higher highlights in HDR, but at the price of tons of blooming. So if HDR gaming with low-input lag is important, then you may consider the LG
Since the LG doesn't even offer a wide color gamut, I'd say that the Vizio M60-D1 is a no brainer for most uses.

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this is out of the topics discussed above, but still want to check with this forum, i have M60-D1 for the past weeks and also gettig LG UH 7700 60" shortly, what do you guys think is the best option, Vizion M series is far better than LG 7700 ? i got a good deal for Vizio and need to shell out additional 250$ for LG, but the super UHD is tempting me to go towards it, please advise.
It's really freaky that you posted this because I too am getting a UH7700. It's in the post right now. I'm wondering how it will compare to my M50. I only have 32 dimming zones on my M50 so already suffer from blooming everywhere. It seems like the LG might have a slightly higher color volume but from what I'm reading the black levels are terrible. Slightly brighter HDR on the LG but not much. Either way, I got a really great deal and couldn't pass it up. I looked for a 7700 owners forum here but there isn't one. To me that's not a good sign!

*Edit* just checked Rtings and actually the M series has a higher color volume. Amazing how the Vizio launched at half the price and has better picture quality.
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The local dimming on LGs edge lit panel is pretty much useless, the Vizio will be considerably better in that department.
The LG has a great input lag for HDR gaming, and it can reach higher highlights in HDR, but at the price of tons of blooming. So if HDR gaming with low-input lag is important, then you may consider the LG
Since the LG doesn't even offer a wide color gamut, I'd say that the Vizio M60-D1 is a no brainer for most uses.
Thanks for the response, im not a big fan of HDR and dont use that much content with HDR and no gaming at all.
Mostly using 1080P and few 4k titles weekly, can i assume Vizio better in upscaling 720 and 1080 and LG not worth the extra 250$ ?
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One other thing to check. I think you have a DTV box correct? Make sure that Native mode is turned off. It's under the Display settings section.
I've mentioned this before, but the Hopper 3 display options are only 4k, 1080p, and 1080i as one selection. Then 720p as another. I have it on the 4k, 1080p, and10801 option. Also, thanks for all your help. I think I will switch out the HDMI cable at some point this weekend. I also turned off the CEC function on the Hopper 3 so the TV will stay off when I turn it off. I am seriously considering contacting Costco, becuase I bought the extended warranty and I've heard they are fantastic at support.[/QUOTE]

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All I was doing was stating that they stream at 4:2:2. You said streaming was 4:2:0. Most device require Full UHD to be ON because they output 60hz along with 4k. The Nvidia Shield requires it for 4k to even be enabled and the ChromeCast Ultra requires it for 4k HDR content and UHD Blu-Ray players require it for streaming thru the apps. I don't own a Roku Ultra or Premiere+ so I don't know when it's required for them. Same with the Xbox One S, but I'm fairly certian you need it for HDR in APPS and games. The fact is, if you have black outs or video tearing then its bandwidth related. Whether it's a cable or equipment related who knows. Cables are a touchy thing now because we are pushing that standard currently. They are the weak link.

You do a great job in this thread and my "drive by's" are only intended for things I may see as inaccurate. I'm not being an ass or giving you attitude about it. I'm pretty sure I have tried to help you in the past and now when I do, you act like some expert that is getting his toes stepped on. I wasn't trying to step in on what you were trying to resolve so try to relax a little bit. I won't say a thing to you any longer if that's what you want...... My appologies.
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I am the one who needs to apologize. Keep doing what you do! I had a stressful day yesterday, and I feel bad that I took it out on you. You have always been helpful and I sincerely appreciate it. I am profusely sorry!!

Attempting to help with this black screen input switching thing is making me crazy. When I've encountered it, turning off UHD Full Color cured it for me - I was hoping that would help others.

Moving along I have a question for you: I am currently watching Amazon on my Sammy K8500 through HDMI 1. The Display Info page says 4K, 24, HDR-10. I can't tell if I'm getting 4:2:0 or 4:2:2, but I have UHD Full Color turned off. If I was to move the Sammy into HDMI 2, would it still play this same content at all - or maybe downshift to 4:2:0 - or can HDMI ports 2-4 handle 4:2:2? Just want to be accurate in my understanding and future answers.
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AH - This was a wonderful POST, thank you @sonoftumble !!!! So when I turn off UHD Full Color the xbox 1 s tells me basically that HDR is disabled. I will go search and see if there is a way to put the xbox 1 s in a lower color signal.
For the xbox, ( my understanding from others in this thread ), you should leave everything turned on, and UHD Full Color turned on with TV as well. Also, make sure you've updated the firmware on the xbox as there were all kinds of issues that were fixed with the update. It came out in March/April timeframe I believe.
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M70-D3 vs M70-E3

I'm sorry if this ground has been trodden but I've scoured this thread as best I can. Does anyone have a comparison or opinion about which is the better set


the older M70-D3 (available at Best Buy)

https://support.vizio.com/s/article/...language=en_US

or the M70-E3 (available direct through Vizio)

https://www.vizio.com/tvs/mseries/m70e3.html

both are available at the same time right now so I'm interested in opinions / trade offs
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I'm sorry if this ground has been trodden but I've scoured this thread as best I can. Does anyone have a comparison or opinion about which is the better set


the older M70-D3 (available at Best Buy)

https://support.vizio.com/s/article/...language=en_US

or the M70-E3 (available direct through Vizio)

https://www.vizio.com/tvs/mseries/m70e3.html

both are available at the same time right now so I'm interested in opinions / trade offs
This has been beaten to death for the most part. Depends on the price I would think. If you can find the 2016 M for a few hundred $$ less then I would go that route. It's still a great set and I personally think the HDR looks fantastic on this set. Yes the 17 is supposed to get brighter but has significantly less zones and is only 60hz. Not sure if one can tell the difference or not; some say yes and others pound their chest and say heck no. But if you are wanting to future proof yourself neither the 16 or 17 M would help me sleep better. But saving some money would. lol.

If you can find a P65 in the same range I'd say look at that too. I got the M70 about this time last year knowing it was going to be a starter HDR set for me. At the time the P75 was $3600?? I'll be anxiously awaiting the 2018 P release later this year or early Q1 to see what they have made better which we can all assume will be a complete overhaul of the 16/17.
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Thanks for the response, im not a big fan of HDR and dont use that much content with HDR and no gaming at all.
Mostly using 1080P and few 4k titles weekly, can i assume Vizio better in upscaling 720 and 1080 and LG not worth the extra 250$ ?
Not sure why anyone would not be HDR fan?
Anyway, if gaming is not a concern, I'd get the M series.
1080P will look great on it. I also think that 720P content looks just fine on it as well. It would depend more on the way your source is setup and the actual quality of the signal than what brand you get.

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