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Why does ARC prevent casting????

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I don't own any of the M series TVs, nor do I have that particular tablet, but...and this may be the stupid question of the week...did the tablet come with a clear protector over the screen? If so, did you remove it?

It did, and I removed it. Running the Vizio app on any of my idevices is a much nicer experience...
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Why does ARC prevent casting????
It doesn't prevent casting, but my 25' 18Gbps HDMI cable, that works flawlessly for 1080P, doesn't seem to want to send audio back to my Anthem receiver. I've not used ARC before with this setup so there are too many variables to solve the problem quickly, and running another cable to test just to gain ARC is not worth my trouble as it is in wall - I could do it if had to but there isn't enough 4K content worth watching for me yet.

So, I don't plan to cast much (at all) since there will be no sound. Plus, 4k alone is not that much better than upscaled 1080P to my old eyes...once HDR content is readily available, I'm sure Roku/Apple/Nvidia/Kodi will also support 4k/HDR and I'll consider adding one or more of these to my setup, and they'll likely be less money than an HDMI cable that works completely.

Of course, I'm presuming it will transport 4k full bandwidth from receiver to display...but I won't know for sure until devices are available.

I'm 100% satisfied with the image presented by M70D3. I had thoughts of returning the M70 for a P65 once Costco has them but I don't think the WCG will make it worth my while, and I'll lose 16% screen area, for the same $. Much like I can't really tell much difference between good upscaled 1080P and 4k, I doubt I'll see that much difference between WCG HDR and non-WCG HDR. The M-series does DV now, and will do HDR10 in August per Matt.
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You could use an optical cable as a workaround.

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It doesn't prevent casting, but my 25' 18Gbps HDMI cable, that works flawlessly for 1080P, doesn't seem to want to send audio back to my Anthem receiver. I've not used ARC before with this setup so there are too many variables to solve the problem quickly, and running another cable to test just to gain ARC is not worth my trouble as it is in wall - I could do it I had to but there isn't enough 4K content worth watching for me yet.
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[quote=baniels;45026506]You could use an optical cable as a workaround.

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It doesn't prevent casting, but my 25' 18Gbps HDMI cable, that works flawlessly for 1080P, doesn't seem to want to send audio back to my Anthem receiver. I've not used ARC before with this setup so there are too many variables to solve the problem quickly, and running another cable to test just to gain ARC is not worth my trouble as it is in wall - I could do it I had to but there isn't enough 4K content worth watching for me yet. /QUOTE]
I could. But I'll lose out on the high def audio (right? only lossy formats over optical) with is more important to me than higher image resolution. This is my first display larger than 43", and first one that even approaches deep blacks, but my audio system has always been top notch. I simply enjoy the audio resolution more than the video.
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Audio is my priority as well. I use optical only for the casting since I have an older receiver. I thought I had read that ARC doesn't pass lossless anyway. Maybe I'm wrong about that or maybe that's outdated.

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I could. But I'll lose out on the high def audio (right? only lossy formats over optical) with is more important to me than higher image resolution. This is my first display larger than 43", and first one that even approaches deep blacks, but my audio system has always been top notch. I simply enjoy the audio resolution more than the video.
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Audio is my priority as well. I use optical only for the casting since I have an older receiver. I thought I had read that ARC doesn't pass lossless anyway. Maybe I'm wrong about that or maybe that's outdated.
I believe you're correct, yet another reason for me to not fuss with ARC - not to be confused with Anthem's room correction also known as ARC.
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If no one could ever distinguish a difference why would it ever matter? The lack of 100% 10 BIT processing is much less of a concern than the lack of WCG.


How noticeable will HDR without WCG (wide color gamut) be? Think I may just keep my P65 instead of swapping for M70.

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How noticeable will HDR without WCG (wide color gamut) be? Think I may just keep my P65 instead of swapping for M65.
Skip to 46:39mins. http://www.creativeplanetnetwork.com...picture/606309

WCG falls way behind resolution and frame rate in viewer preferences, according to Sony

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are we SURE the vizio-m will NOT have WCG?
or will it simply have a narrower WCG?

or is it still unknown?
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Well the M70 used to list WCG as a feature on the vizio site. I contacted customer support about it and they wanted to know where I saw that at and I told them. It is no longer listed on the m70 description so I would say at least with the m70 its not going to supprot WCG. Or they wanted it removed as to not piss off P owners



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How noticeable will HDR without WCG (wide color gamut) be? Think I may just keep my P65 instead of swapping for M70.
See my post above.
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are we SURE the vizio-m will NOT have WCG?
or will it simply have a narrower WCG?

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It is still unknown with pretty much everyone expecting it to match the non-WCG pallet that the 2015 Vizio M-series had.
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WCG falls way behind resolution and frame rate in viewer preferences, according to Sony
Frame Rate I would believe. However, the frame rate of most movies is not going to change for a very long time so that really doesn't matter. Resolution is not as significant of a feature as most manufactures hoped it would be. That is why they developed HDR and made sure it also included WCG because they new that was long overdue.
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If I'm interpreting that video correctly, the engineer is saying that based on his experience, HDR has biggest impact on perceived PQ, followed by resolution, followed by WCG. I'm paraphrasing here, but his view of availability of WCG in actual content (like the flowers in the video) is "no big deal." I assume this presenter who actually does this for a living knows more about this than anyone on this thread, so if I'm debating between the M and P I would view the lack of WCG as a non-factor or close to a non-factor.

The number of zones and brightness for better HDR still favor the P. Aesthetics with black bezel (to me) and price favor the M. Close call. And the superior-in-every-way OLEDs are already under $4000 online for 65", so the decision is getting tougher.
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Frame Rate I would believe. However, the frame rate of most movies is not going to change for a very long time so that really doesn't matter. Resolution is not as significant of a feature as most manufactures hoped it would be. That is why they developed HDR and made sure it also included WCG because they new that was long overdue.
Makes me wonder if we're quickly approaching a time when TVs are as good as they're going to get. With so many people unable to distinguish any significant difference between 4k and 1080p, what will be the point of 8k? 3D was a total bust. Curved TVs were written off as a gimmick almost instantly. HDR and WCG is nice, but is it really going to move a ton of units long term? The jump from fullscreen SD to widescreen HD was a massive shift for your average viewer and is now affordable for all, but now it feels like (again, for the average viewer) manufacturers are having a real hard time coming up with that 'next big thing' for TVs.

People can now strap their phones to their faces and be magically transported to an IMAX-size movie theater in space. I imagine that has to be a pretty significant threat to the TV industry, eh?
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Which HDMI port is ARC on the M series?
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Which HDMI port is ARC on the M series?
HDMI 1 says ARC below the input.

To add to this I just ordered a new denon x1200 and hoping the ARC works. I'm assuming we have to turn on the CEC control but can anybody provide a quick run down on how to enable the ARC? tia
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HDMI 1 says ARC below the input.

To add to this I just ordered a new denon x1200 and hoping the ARC works. I'm assuming we have to turn on the CEC control but can anybody provide a quick run down on how to enable the ARC? tia
Hmm...HDMI 1 is certainly less than ideal given that it's the only port on the TV that supports [email protected], and that most receivers and sound bars aren't 4K pass-through enabled yet.
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Makes me wonder if we're quickly approaching a time when TVs are as good as they're going to get. With so many people unable to distinguish any significant difference between 4k and 1080p, what will be the point of 8k? 3D was a total bust. Curved TVs were written off as a gimmick almost instantly. HDR and WCG is nice, but is it really going to move a ton of units long term? The jump from fullscreen SD to widescreen HD was a massive shift for your average viewer and is now affordable for all, but now it feels like (again, for the average viewer) manufacturers are having a real hard time coming up with that 'next big thing' for TVs.

People can now strap their phones to their faces and be magically transported to an IMAX-size movie theater in space. I imagine that has to be a pretty significant threat to the TV industry, eh?
Wait till 4k sports are out for all to enjoy. That is where you will see the real benefit.

Right now most sports are 1080i or 720p. That has far less resolution than even 1080p. Also sports are currently filmed with a longer shutter duration that introduces blurring and hides the fact that it is recorded with such a low resolution.

When 4k sports finally become a reality you will be amazed. They will finally switch to using much faster shutter speeds and true progressive 60 FPS video. The difference will be unmistakable but it isn’t going to be mainstream any time soon.

Once 4K HDR sports are feasible then you may be able to say “This is as good as it gets”. Until then you have no idea how good it really can get.
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Hmm...HDMI 1 is certainly less than ideal given that it's the only port on the TV that supports [email protected], and that most receivers and sound bars aren't 4K pass-through enabled yet.
I think most AVRs available today have the 4K pass through; even the lowest budget rated. Unless I misunderstood your answer.
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I think most AVRs available today have the 4K pass through; even the lowest budget rated. Unless I misunderstood your answer.
I think you're right in terms of AVR. I'm not really looking for a complete system, but rather a sound bar. I've only done a little bit of research, but most don't seem to come with HDCP 2.2.
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From what I got out of that is that WCG isn't very important as most displays can show all colors, that it depends on what it is shot on. I got that from him mentioning that we are already seeing the purple color on our normal display now. So it does make for an interesting argument that hdr and overall resolution may be the biggest factors. If this is true, then I think the M will sit alright amongst the current offerings.

I really wish Best Buy would get the darn 60"-65" already!! lol
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The only IPS in the M series is the 60" from what ive heard.
Why? Why would this one size be singled out from all the others?
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From what I got out of that is that WCG isn't very important as most displays can show all colors, that it depends on what it is shot on. I got that from him mentioning that we are already seeing the purple color on our normal display now. So it does make for an interesting argument that hdr and overall resolution may be the biggest factors. If this is true, then I think the M will sit alright amongst the current offerings.

I really wish Best Buy would get the darn 60"-65" already!! lol
That's what I got out it too but I suppose time will tell, along with tests, how much of the color space is covered in the M-series. Regardless, it's so much better than what I had, I'm not sure I could handle more color.
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So I swung by a Best Buy today and they actually had both the P65 and the M50 on display. (m50 on top, p65 on bottom) Taking the store presentation with a grain of salt, both looked amazing. The M was running a Vizio loop that looked crisp and minimal blur. The P65 was running the typical Lego Movie. I will admit that the P65 did seem to pop more!

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So I swung by a Best Buy today and they actually had both the P65 and the M50 on display. (m50 on top, p65 on bottom) Taking the store presentation with a grain of salt, both looked amazing. The M was running a Vizio loop that looked crisp and minimal blur. The P65 was running the typical Lego Movie. I will admit that the P65 did seem to pop more!
CG animation really screams and pops on these things. Even something like Toy Story 3 in 1080p on my new M70 looks insanely awesome.
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Debating about taking my M70 back to BB for the P65. I'm thinking I might have jumped the gun too early and should have waited for an experts review regarding the true nature of the DV/HDR/panel. Love the set; gorgeous but mpgxsvcd is giving me some buyers remorse thinking maybe I might have to replace the set in 2 years due to the lack of WCG. I have 15 days to return to BB which gives me another 10 days to ponder. I really wish my costco carried this set so i'd have a longer return window.
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I will be curious to hear your comparison if you go that route. What sort of display did the M70 replace for you?

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Debating about taking my M70 back to BB for the P65. I'm thinking I might have jumped the gun too early and should have waited for an experts review regarding the true nature of the DV/HDR/panel. Love the set; gorgeous but mpgxsvcd is giving me some buyers remorse thinking maybe I might have to replace the set in 2 years due to the lack of WCG. I have 15 days to return to BB which gives me another 10 days to ponder. I really wish my costco carried this set so i'd have a longer return window.
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