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The difference between 65" and 70" isn't as much as you would think. The 65" is still a really big TV.
Yeah, but my current set is a 67". You honestly don't expect me to go smaller, do you???

Seriously, the M70 is barely an inch wider and 3" shorter than my current TV (on the stand). I emailed my wife earlier and was like "it would be more screen, but less TV. It's a win-win!"
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Yeah, but my current set is a 67". You honestly don't expect me to go smaller, do you???

Seriously, the M70 is barely an inch wider and 3" shorter than my current TV (on the stand). I emailed my wife earlier and was like "it would be more screen, but less TV. It's a win-win!"
I went 5" smaller(M80 to P75) and my wife said it looked better. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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The item that has stopped on these 3 (M, D and E) models in the 55" size is no built in WiFi.
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It would be in the BR and no internet cables in there. Could just add a Roku 4, I guess...

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What is a BR? What do cables have to do with wifi?

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It would be in the BR and no internet cables in there. Could just add a Roku 4, I guess...
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BR is bedroom........I would not have Ethernet in that room for Visio apps? Or, are they all on the tablet and cast?
Aren't these "Smart TV's"?

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Start by telling me where you read that the 55" lacks wifi?

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Aren't these "Smart TV's"?
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When I did a compare of the D, E and M 55" models on the Visio web site.

Smart TV says NO and says No WiFi for all. Just Ethernet connections.

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When I did a compare of the D, E and M 55" models on the Visio web site.

Smart TV says NO and says No WiFi for all. Just Ethernet connections.
I understand these have improved over the years and are quite usable. http://www.cnet.com/topics/networkin...line-adapters/
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When I did a compare of the D, E and M 55" models on the Visio web site.

Smart TV says NO and says No WiFi for all. Just Ethernet connections.
http://www.vizio.com/m-series says they have dual band wifi.
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http://www.vizio.com/m-series says they have dual band wifi.
Per the spec sheets on each model........ Models below 60" do not have Wifi!!!!!!!!!!

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Per the spec sheets on each model........ Models below 60" do not have Wifi!!!!!!!!!!
The spec sheet is wrong. This happened back with the M70 and that somebody found the sheet saying WCG but Vizio removed it once it was seen.
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Per the spec sheets on each model........ Models below 60" do not have Wifi!!!!!!!!!!
Ive owned the P and M 55", they both have wifi...
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Thanks for clearing that up. If @Chuck666 needs any more confirmation, a phone call to Vizio might do the trick. It would be very odd for them to omit wifi from any smart TV.

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You can throw in the 4K D series displays as well. It is virtually the same as the 4K E-series and probably similar to the 4K M-series. None of them are anywhere close to the P-series or other WCG displays.
If the very affordable D/E line looks very similar to the new M, that would be a screaming deal at those prices. But given the far fewer dimmable zones compared to the M and lack of brightness and colors to produce DV content there will probably be a very noticeable gap when playing low light and HDR material. I haven't seen them side by side though, or any such reviews.

Based on what I can tell, many review sites are starting with one flagship model from the top manufacturers (LG, Samsung, Vizio, Sony) first, in roughly the order in which they are launched, so they are getting to the M reviews and comparisons a little later than we'd like.
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Thanks for clearing that up. If @Chuck666 needs any more confirmation, a phone call to Vizio might do the trick. It would be very odd for them to omit wifi from any smart TV.
Well, this thread has gone completely off the rails. The D series is tested and seems to be able to support WCG; spec sheets saying one thing when in fact it's another and now we need to call Vizio to find out WTF their screens can and can't do (like as if they know).
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Asking those who have posted and say they owned whichever; 2015 or 2016. It looks to me that 2016 has changed the specs?

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It's unfortunate that Vizio's site is not reliable. This isn't the first time they've had mistakes. Does this image put your mind at ease?



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It's unfortunate that Vizio's site is not reliable. This isn't the first time they've had mistakes. Does this image put your mind at ease?

Thanks.............. Interesting, they he said they are NOT Smart TV's. But, Cast TV's. Some people may be surprised by that subtle difference?

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Well - it is a real difference. You could call them Smart TV's and not be wrong, I guess. But this is a day when Smart TV's are pretty ubiquitous. And for a good number of years "smart tv" has almost always meant "a suite of streaming apps and other stuff that will be come outdated and clunky before you want to replace your tv".

Vizio's Cast TV's are different. There are no apps on the tv to become outdated. You use your phone or other device to Cast content to the TV... using Google Cast (formerly Chromecast). I used to have a Chromecast plugged into my AVR. Now I don't need it, because my M-series has one built in.

I think it is wise of Vizio to make the distinction.

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Thanks.............. Interesting, they he said they are NOT Smart TV's. But, Cast TV's. Some people may be surprised by that subtle difference?
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Now I understand why they included the tablets.. I read it all before; but, now have had a "Duh" momment.....

I bought a 55" TCL UP120 from Sam's for $489, plus $49 Smart Trade......It's a Roku TV. It has one FALD zone, ha. No HDR or WCG or DV, of course. But, at 14' viewing in the Bed Room seems pretty nice. I have 80 days left on return. Sam's sells the E; but forgot if it's 2015 0r 2016 model. I like the Roku front end so far. No browser though?
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It's a paradigm shift.

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I read it all before; but, now have had a "Duh" momment.....
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Thats probably the biggest question right now, and that is how well will the M do without WCG.
No...that is not it. I have a brand new M70 hung up at home as of this week. I watched plenty of P60s. The biggest difference is not WCC, it's brightness.

And it isn't the M-Series vs the P-Series brightness either. They BOTH don't get that bright. Personally I think they look very respectable but if you are after that "Holy **** my eyeballs are on fire this looks so good" experience, neither the P nor M will deliver that for you. They simply LACK brightness.

Now I may get a lot of fire for that but I'm not happy even with the "eye-searing" Samsungs of the current gen. They are brighter than Vizio...but not bright enough. I don't envision I will be happy till we are in the 2k nit range. That is not to say the M and P are bad. Picture on both is really really good. Difference is not all that noticeable.

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No...that is not it. I have a brand new M70 hung up at home as of this week. I watched plenty of P60s. The biggest difference is not WCC, it's brightness.

And it isn't the M-Series vs the P-Series brightness either. They BOTH don't get that bright. Personally I think they look very respectable but if you are after that "Holy **** my eyeballs are on fire this looks so good" experience, neither the P nor M will deliver that for you. They simply LACK brightness.

Now I may get a lot of fire for that but I'm not happy even with the "eye-searing" Samsungs of the current gen. They are brighter than Vizio...but not bright enough. I don't envision I will be happy till we are in the 2k nit range. That is not to say the M and P are bad. Picture on both is really really good. Difference is not all that noticeable.

No offense but a lot of the questions on here have been about how the two will compare against each other.

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After rereading the Visio site, I've learned (haha) that the D & E come with VIA driven remotes and Not tablets. One of the questions and answers stated that you could not add any apps that were not already in the Yahoo store... So, the M is the first in the 55" that has the tablet where one could add the Chrome browser???

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I don't know what you are reading. I hadn't been to the E and D series pages before now, but it is plain to see that the 2016 E series are ALL SmartCast displays. They don't include the tablet remote... you just need to install the app on your android of apple device.

The D series, however, are not SmartCast displays. They are called Smart TVs (most sizes anyway). I don't know anything about a Yahoo store. I did a search of Vizio's site for "yahoo" and found some 2009-2010 press releases.

There is no adding the chrome browser to the SmartCast tv's. You could "cast" your Chrome tab from your computer, or you could cast your phone's screen and open chrome as a way to get Chrome displayed on the TV. But I suspect that isn't what you are thinking about.



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After rereading the Visio site, I've learned (haha) that the D & E come with VIA driven remotes and Not tablets. One of the questions and answers stated that you could not add any apps that were not already in the Yahoo store... So, the M is the first in the 55" that has the tablet where one could add the Chrome browser???
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How is the glare on the 70"? I'm looking at the M80 to replace a 2 year old Sony 70" 4K XBR that I like but too much glare in the room I have it in.
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How is the glare on the 70"? I'm looking at the M80 to replace a 2 year old Sony 70" 4K XBR that I like but too much glare in the room I have it in.
It has a LOT less glare than my 60" Panasonic plasma I replaced, but I guess that's to be expected.
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We just got the 80" Vizio M80-D3 and ... I'm pretty underwhelmed. It replaced a similarly sized Mitsubishi DLP we'd had for almost a decade and, no doubt, the picture is superior in every single way. That's not my complaint.

But there are quite a few things on this TV I really, REALLY do not like. Starting with a small, but nagging issue ...
The flimsy, widespread metal legs. Maybe they mean all these TVs to be mounted, but in our Great Room we have a large, shallow shelving area designed for a TV to sit on a shelf, so that's how I want it, but the legs are both so wide -- more than 4" on each side -- and yet totally unstable, the TV feels wobbly if you brush against it AND can't be placed closer to the front edge of the shelf, leaving a weird-looking set-back. (The legs also bounce a bit, like bent paper clips, if you push down on the set.) It may be a small thing, but when you buy a TV this pricey it should look good, aesthetically, and not like dorm room Ikea furniture.

EDIT: I lied. I just measured, and the bent-paperclip leg extends almost 8" from the TV front on either side. So the TV MUST be set back at least 8" into any cabinet/shelf. My old unit the front of the TV was just about flush with the cabinet face, and our only other non-hung TV (55"), which has a single stand, also only has 3" from the TV front to the front of the stand, plus feels more stable the the Vizio. (see: http://i68.tinypic.com/29legbc.jpg)



Second small(ish) gripe ... Why, WHY doesn't this thing have a tuner? They are a super cheap addition that pretty much every other set has. It would be one thing if it was a small add-on, sold by Vizio (maybe something that plugs into a USB port, or a little HDMI stick). That I would be fine with. Heck, I'd pay $50-$100 for it even, so a nice little profit margin, but I hate not having it, especially when there are no easy solutions, even more than I thought I would. Over-the-air TV is essential where I live for storm situations. I've got my TV plugged into a battery backup, so when the power goes out, the TV can stay on for at least 30 minutes and with antenna, I can keep watch on the weather, easy peasy. I was hopeful a computer-style USB-stick solution would work, since past Vizio USB ports recognized media sticks, but it doesn't. At all. In fact I can't find a dang thing the USB ports are useful for.

I also wouldn't mind the above much if TV tuners were a readily available third-party commodity. They're not. The only real options out there that I'm finding are cheap, clunky, pieces of junk geared towards grandparents with TVs from before the digital switchover. No thanks.

My biggest gripe though is that the entire tablet/"cast" system is a POS. Definitely not ready for prime time. I don't want to start a Google account just to be able to use my TV remote, thank you very much. Casting Hulu, or whatnot, is glitchy, at best, failing more often than not. Just. Useless.

And, yes, I can work around all of these things. I have a Harmony remote that will control the TV. I use DirecTV boxes and Apple TV anyway, so don't need those things to work, but they should, for the cost.

We recently got a close-out Samsung UN 55" 2015 model for our bedroom. The picture is amazing. The Smart TV features are great, and I find myself using them over the attached Apple TV in there, and the built-in tuner is amazing. Heck, I've realized we could probably cord cut completely in there, if we wanted to, and just use the TV and its built-in apps. And that's all for something I never thought I'd touch when buying the unit.

Altogether I'm kind of unhappy, and hoping I'll grow to love it. So far, though, I'm definitely disappointed.

BTW, if anyone's got settings advice for this, I'd love to hear it. The picture options seems a lot less granular then the Samsung, and I'll note that after adopting, and then slightly tweaking, the calibration settings some kind soul posted here, the picture there is really, REALLY good. Better than the newer version Vizio, for sure.

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Wow. I think you should have researched this some more before you bought the Vizio. If you needed a tuner then why did you buy it? Dont think you need to have a google account to cast but it's an easy feature and my 9 and 7 year old have it down. I love the Vizio's aesthetics and the bezel. Will agree that it doesnt seem stable and yes if someone trips and puts their hand on the tv to stop their fall, the tv is going down. But all your gripes were clearly addressed on the product summary and the box for that matter. Anywho thanks for LOL.
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