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i just did .. do your own homework..R-T-I-N-G-S .COM
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Any TV should be able to play 24p correctly today no matter the price, you obviously don't know what i'm talking about, you're just able to taunt without any argument, so you'd better don't talk about it.

I don't waited too much, i sent the cashback offer letter with the bar code so i can't return it, learn to read.

Obvioulsy i don't care about you and your opinion about a subject you no nothing so i repeat, people that want 24p smooth playback should not buy any samsung KU tv and this is a shame for samsung to use the 3:2 pulldown tech in 2016

I did research about 24p playback on this series and i'm not alone to complain about it, it is a known issue and rtings should give more importance to it for the final note of a TV.

Finally, you can taunt me about my english now, this will be as useful as your post, but english is not my first language and anyway i will not respond to you anymore except if you post any useful comment about 24p playback and 3:2 pulldownn, that i doubt.
OK so you read the review that cited the problem with judder (while also mentioning that most people are oblivious to it), you know that you are very sensitive to it, you bought the TV anyway and redeemed a promotional cash back offer before even taking some time to see if you would be satisfied with it. So, that's strike one.

Then you become a member of an internet forum just to complain about the TV, calling it a piece of s$%t, and more or less dismiss anyone foolish enough to purchase it (ah how rich the irony!) Strike two.

And finally you have the audacity to imply that you are being criticized because you don't write in perfect English, when this forum is welcoming to and all the richer because of it's global members of all backgrounds and levels of interest and expertise. Strike three.

I'm sorry you're stuck with a TV with which you are dissatisfied. Perhaps you can sell it to someone less sensitive to judder and recoup some of your investment, using the proceeds towards the purchase of a set that will better suit you.

BTW my experience with the set has been pretty good--not perfect by any means but it serves my modest criterion.


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I'm not getting HDR on my 55" 6300 through my PS4, it says 2k/4k supported under video output information in the ps4 settings so i think its set up correctly HDMI UHD Color is on, but the backlight settings don't switch like it does with HDR content on the built-in apps and i don't see any HDR banners on youtube, Netflix, or Amazon content, am i missing something?
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I'm not getting HDR on my 55" 6300 through my PS4, it says 2k/4k supported under video output information in the ps4 settings so i think its set up correctly HDMI UHD Color is on, but the backlight settings don't switch like it does with HDR content on the built-in apps and i don't see any HDR banners on youtube, Netflix, or Amazon content, am i missing something?
PS4 Pro?
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Don't buy any KU samsung series, the electronic use 3:2 pulldown to play 24p instead of 48 hz so it has visible judder in any travelling / moving camera scene.

Auto Motion don't remove it completely and introduce soap opera effect.

I'm very upset as my previous TV was a samsung 40B651 (2009) with "24p real movie" which means it play 24p at 48hz and so don't get any judder, with motion settings sets as hdtvtest it is very smooth for a 60 hz panel.

And so 7 years later samsung make tvs that are not able to handle 24p correctly ...

I get a 55KU6400, i should have sent it back but i already sent the cashback letter ...

Buy any 120 hz panel but not this s...
Good to know.
But save the scare tactics for Facebook and Twitter. Most people here are more interested in specs and facts than wild opinions.
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i just did .. do your own homework..R-T-I-N-G-S .COM
rtings for what i know don't have any forum so where did you read this, is this that difficult to give a link ?

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OK so you read the review that cited the problem with judder (while also mentioning that most people are oblivious to it), you know that you are very sensitive to it, you bought the TV anyway and redeemed a promotional cash back offer before even taking some time to see if you would be satisfied with it. So, that's strike one.

Then you become a member of an internet forum just to complain about the TV, calling it a piece of s$%t, and more or less dismiss anyone foolish enough to purchase it (ah how rich the irony!) Strike two.

And finally you have the audacity to imply that you are being criticized because you don't write in perfect English, when this forum is welcoming to and all the richer because of it's global members of all backgrounds and levels of interest and expertise. Strike three.

I'm sorry you're stuck with a TV with which you are dissatisfied. Perhaps you can sell it to someone less sensitive to judder and recoup some of your investment, using the proceeds towards the purchase of a set that will better suit you.

BTW my experience with the set has been pretty good--not perfect by any means but it serves my modest criterion.


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Good to know.
But save the scare tactics for Facebook and Twitter. Most people here are more interested in specs and facts than wild opinions.
I don't gey any benefits for scaring people, i just give an advice that test confirms, KU series don't handle 24p correctly is a fact

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Blu-ray playback also exhibits visible judder during panning shots due to the display converting 24Hz material to 60Hz, rather than to 72Hz or 96Hz, or even 48Hz - a bizarre state of affairs given that proper 24fps playback should be a standard feature by now.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...0-4k-tv-review

Unfortunately, i only read the rtings review before buying the KU6400, i was thinking judder was nearly invisible like on my previous samsung 40B651 from 2009, i coulnd't imagine that a tv from 2016 no matter the range handle 24p worse than a 2009 TV. That's why i told that rtings should give more importance to judder in the final note or at least the movie note.

If you stop your hunt of the newbie with other old posters like a primitive tribe, you could understand some things.

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If you stop your hunt of the newbie with other old posters like a primitive tribe, you could understand some things.
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I understand. It doesnt convert 24p properly. Its not rocket science.
I rarely watch anything in 24p so I could care less but thanks for pointing that out.
Anything else about the tv you'd like to comment on?

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Yes, I tried an HDR game and it works on that, so is it just that you can't get HDR from streaming services through an external device?
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Yes, I tried an HDR game and it works on that, so is it just that you can't get HDR from streaming services through an external device?
Most likely the PS4 apps dont support HDR.
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You're probably not sensitive to judder if KU series suits for you, someone sensitive to judder notice 3:2 pulldown judder and find it very annoying

your KU6270 doesn't have 120 hz refresh, all KU have 60 hz panel

24 x 5 = 120 hz and so no judder

for 60 hz panel
first frame is repeated 2 times
second is repeated 3 times
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(12 x 2) + (12 x 3) = 60 hz

This is 3:2 pulldown, and this cause judder cause some frames are displayed longer than others

Some TV with 60 hz panel have "24p real cinema" or some others names depending of the brand
this feature play 24p material at 48 hz, the panel must support 48 hz or the electronic must interpolate 12 frames to get 60 hz

I don't know why samsung don't use this on every 60 hz panel, 3:2 pulldown is a old and poor technic that should not be used anymore.
I understand what judder is. I've been in this for a long time
Also, yes, the K series (and many other current Samsung TV's) use a 60Hz panel. The "120Hz" is created by Samsung's "Clear Motion Rate" process - a combination of their backlight cycling, image processing and panel refresh rate. Typically the panel's actual refresh is half the CMR number (so a 240Hz CMR Samsung set is really using a 120Hz panel). Nonetheless, it's a pretty effective technology - which is why judder on the K-series isn't all that bad - especially when you use the smooth motion setting at a mild setting.
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Yes, I tried an HDR game and it works on that, so is it just that you can't get HDR from streaming services through an external device?
http://www.gamesradar.com/how-to-wat...n-and-youtube/

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Also is the ps4 connection through HDMI 1? Sorry you might have mentioned that but I'm on my phone...

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rtings for what i know don't have any forum so where did you read this, is this that difficult to give a link ?



Well you seem to know what happen in my life better than me, bro.



I don't gey any benefits for scaring people, i just give an advice that test confirms, KU series don't handle 24p correctly is a fact

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...0-4k-tv-review

Unfortunately, i only read the rtings review before buying the KU6400, i was thinking judder was nearly invisible like on my previous samsung 40B651 from 2009, i coulnd't imagine that a tv from 2016 no matter the range handle 24p worse than a 2009 TV. That's why i told that rtings should give more importance to judder in the final note or at least the movie note.

If you stop your hunt of the newbie with other old posters like a primitive tribe, you could understand some things.
the reason rtings doesn't rate the "judder" problem very highly should be obvious to anyone not obsessed with the issue .. obviously , for a VAST majority of people it isn't a LARGE issue ... for you it seems to be .. if it was a HUGE deal lots of OTHER people on this thread would be on YOUR side.. the fact that the numbers that agree with you that it's a HUGE problem is a SMALL number indicates MAYBE the problem lies within YOU not the set,, my only argument with you is given we have lots of non experts watching these threads for ideas on new sets somebody (lots) could SEE your post and think this tv is unwatchable, which is NOT true for a VAST majority of people..you have stated your point.. you ARE correct 24p is NOT supported...you DON'T need to defend your position on it.. just STOP making it out to be a deal breaking issue.. for a LOT of us it doesn't even rate a 2nd thought at this price point for a 4k hdr compatible panel..by all means go out and buy a top end tv or go get a used plasma if you think that's a better answer ..
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Yes I am and HDMI UHD Color is on, it works for the one game I tried just not streaming services.
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the reason rtings doesn't rate the "judder" problem very highly should be obvious to anyone not obsessed with the issue .. obviously , for a VAST majority of people it isn't a LARGE issue ... for you it seems to be .. if it was a HUGE deal lots of OTHER people on this thread would be on YOUR side.. the fact that the numbers that agree with you that it's a HUGE problem is a SMALL number indicates MAYBE the problem lies within YOU not the set,, my only argument with you is given we have lots of non experts watching these threads for ideas on new sets somebody (lots) could SEE your post and think this tv is unwatchable, which is NOT true for a VAST majority of people..you have stated your point.. you ARE correct 24p is NOT supported...you DON'T need to defend your position on it.. just STOP making it out to be a deal breaking issue.. for a LOT of us it doesn't even rate a 2nd thought at this price point for a 4k hdr compatible panel..by all means go out and buy a top end tv or go get a used plasma if you think that's a better answer ..


The first day I could see the judder. Funny thing is I cannot see it anymore. I think my brain adjusted to it lol.


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Any way we could enable HDMI UHD option on HDMI ports 2 and 3? I have a PC and PS4 Pro connected on my KU6300. I don't want to compromise the ports with constant unplugging just to switch between two systems.
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Any way we could enable HDMI UHD option on HDMI ports 2 and 3? I have a PC and PS4 Pro connected on my KU6300. I don't want to compromise the ports with constant unplugging just to switch between two systems.
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The first day I could see the judder. Funny thing is I cannot see it anymore. I think my brain adjusted to it lol.


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i see it if i have been watching a smooth panel right before or there is panning judder ..and it's still not ruining my experience .. i didn't want to be hard on the guy but for most it's only a problem if they are told it's a problem..
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I understand. It doesnt convert 24p properly. Its not rocket science.
I rarely watch anything in 24p so I could care less but thanks for pointing that out.
Anything else about the tv you'd like to comment on?
What do you want to know, feel free to ask any question

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I understand what judder is. I've been in this for a long time
Also, yes, the K series (and many other current Samsung TV's) use a 60Hz panel. The "120Hz" is created by Samsung's "Clear Motion Rate" process - a combination of their backlight cycling, image processing and panel refresh rate. Typically the panel's actual refresh is half the CMR number (so a 240Hz CMR Samsung set is really using a 120Hz panel). Nonetheless, it's a pretty effective technology - which is why judder on the K-series isn't all that bad - especially when you use the smooth motion setting at a mild setting.
CMR is a subjective value invented by samsung which take in consideratio, refresh rate panel, backlight and interpolation, 240 hz CMR have nothing to do with real refresh rate panel.

smooth motion for that i tested doesn't help that much and quickly introduce soap opera effect, 3 is the maxiumm i can tolerate

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the reason rtings doesn't rate the "judder" problem very highly should be obvious to anyone not obsessed with the issue .. obviously , for a VAST majority of people it isn't a LARGE issue ... for you it seems to be .. if it was a HUGE deal lots of OTHER people on this thread would be on YOUR side.. the fact that the numbers that agree with you that it's a HUGE problem is a SMALL number indicates MAYBE the problem lies within YOU not the set,, my only argument with you is given we have lots of non experts watching these threads for ideas on new sets somebody (lots) could SEE your post and think this tv is unwatchable, which is NOT true for a VAST majority of people..you have stated your point.. you ARE correct 24p is NOT supported...you DON'T need to defend your position on it.. just STOP making it out to be a deal breaking issue.. for a LOT of us it doesn't even rate a 2nd thought at this price point for a 4k hdr compatible panel..by all means go out and buy a top end tv or go get a used plasma if you think that's a better answer ..
stop to strawman, i never told that it is unwatchable, i told that people who wants 24p smooth playback and / or are sensitive to judder shouldn't buy KU series

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i see it if i have been watching a smooth panel right before or there is panning judder ..and it's still not ruining my experience .. i didn't want to be hard on the guy but for most it's only a problem if they are told it's a problem..
this is ridiculous, i could use an argument of same valor : people usually want to convince themselve that they did a good buy, so they will intentionnaly or not close their eyes for some vice.
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Are there any known issues with wireless on this TV with a recent firmware?

I've been using the wireless for the Amazon App. I hadn't used it in a few weeks and suddenly when I went to use it over Christmas I realized my TV was no longer connected to the internet.

When I run the test it says that I'm connected to my router but not to the internet. I tried disconnecting and connecting at least 15 times always with the same results.

I am willing to admit the problem could be with my router but my 15+ wireless devices are working fine. I connected the tv directly via ethernet from a wireless bridge and that's working without issue but that's a temporary solution.

Anything I should try?
I had the same problem. I had to change the wireless band on the TV from 5GHz to 2.4GHz and that took care of the problem.
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Well 3 days later I've finally read all 41 pages .. Thanks for all the info guys, oddly I haven't had any problems with my set. All apps work great, Amazon and Netflix both come out on HDR (or so i think..). CEC works great, my samsung remote controls all my devices.

My question though:
I have DirectTV HD Genie and Xbox one S (best buy has a great deal picking up today), I also picked up the Samsung soundbar hw-k450 with the rear speakers on sale for 230 plus tax at BB, what would be the best connection for the soundbar currently using ARC via HDMI 3 ? I didn't like digital because I couldn't control the soundbar, I also have the option for sound connect. I was thinking Xbox one s to HDMI 1, directv to HDMI 2, and Soundbar at HDMI 3? Is that the best audio possibility. I know a lot of people frown on soundbars I like the look and for my ears it sounds amazing LOL (used to hearing direct from tv speakers lol) Thanks for all the info guys !
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What do you want to know, feel free to ask any question



CMR is a subjective value invented by samsung which take in consideratio, refresh rate panel, backlight and interpolation, 240 hz CMR have nothing to do with real refresh rate panel.

smooth motion for that i tested doesn't help that much and quickly introduce soap opera effect, 3 is the maxiumm i can tolerate



stop to strawman, i never told that it is unwatchable, i told that people who wants 24p smooth playback and / or are sensitive to judder shouldn't buy KU series



this is ridiculous, i could use an argument of same valor : people usually want to convince themselve that they did a good buy, so they will intentionnaly or not close their eyes for some vice.
i give up .. you are preaching to the choir and you still lost most of us ...good luck with your future tv watching .. maybe you actually will learn a lesson here.. don't buy a tv without 24p playback ability.
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CMR is a subjective value invented by samsung which take in consideratio, refresh rate panel, backlight and interpolation, 240 hz CMR have nothing to do with real refresh rate panel.
...Yes... That is pretty much exactly what I said.
If smooth motion doesn't help reduce the appearance of judder for you and it's that much of an issue, I'd suggest you purchase a higher-end TV.

For the $650 I paid for my 60", I think it's a hell of a value. Considering that the majority of content that I watch isn't shot and mastered in 24P, it's a non-issue for me. Also something you may want to consider is that the new trend in Hollywood is to shoot HFR (high frame rate) - 48, 60 - and even 120 frames per second. In the non-to-distant future, 24p will be considered "old school" and will likely be more and more rare.
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